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spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
I am stuck trying to make a decision on which socket set to buy.

I already have a beefy 1/2" Metric/AF set for garage use.
I now have a nice compact 1/2" metric set 8mm-20mm for car use.
I have bucketloads of screwdrivers bits for Torx, etc.
I have a couple of cheap, but efficient screwdrivers for holding these bits.

I want a 1/4" set for the smaller nuts/bolts and torx and the like. I have 4 choices for about the same money:

1) Halfords Professional 36 piece 1/4" Socket Set

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_177537_langId_-1_categoryId_255215#dtab
Pros: Proper screwdriver, wide range of sockets, lifetime guarantee
Cons: 1 extension bar, loose screwdriver bits

2) Silverline 633493 38 Piece 1/4 Inch Drive Metric Socket Wrench Set

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-...d=3QWMBP60XB6ED
Pros: Proper Torx sockets
Cons: no screwdriver

3) Draper Expert 33611 Metric Chrome Vanadium Socket Set (20pc 1/4" Drive)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Draper-Expe...d=3QWMBP60XB6ED
Pros: good range of bars, etc
Cons: no bits, big box

4) Kamasa 55708 31-Piece Socket Set 1/4-Inch D

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kamasa-5570...d=3QWMBP60XB6ED
Pros: Good bars, range of sockets, proper torx sockets, lifetime guarantee
Cons: No screwdriver

I honestly cannot decide: at the moment my favourites are the Kamasa and the Silverline. Any thoughts?

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spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Uthor posted:

Why don't you buy #2 or #4 and add this for a couple of bucks (quid?)?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-719776-Drive-Spinner-Handle/dp/B000LFVMMY/ref=sr_1_1?s=diy&ie=UTF8&qid=1320077152&sr=1-1

I've got a pair of ratchet screwdriver sets that would do the job

(a bit like the following, but fairly strong)



So, Kamasa or Silverline?

Kamasa has the deep sockets and lifetime guarantee, but is £5 more expensive.
Silverline has a more complete range of sockets in the 4-10mm range (including 4.5, 5.5mm)

I don't know either of their reputations for quality - I'd want the better one.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

meltie posted:

If you're worrying about quality, I started out with the bigger set (the briefcase-sized one) and honestly they've been brilliant. I couldn't be happier with them. Surprising, for Halfords :)

I've heard this from other people too: the Halfords Pro stuff seems to get a good rep and the lifetime guarantee actually works. (If you break it, just take it back to the shop and they instantly exchange it)

I'm slightly against this particular set as it has the little torx bits and I always find them a bit fiddly, whereas the others have the socket type torx bits. (Plus, my local branch is out of stock for 10 days)


Jaxx posted:

If the Kamasa are still made in Japan then they would be my pick, I have a 1/2" set that my Granddad bought new in god knows when and they still feel like luxury to use.

Your recommendation may just swing it for me.

quote:

Just to complicate things further, have you looked at Teng's range of composite 1/4 sets?

Teng has a very nice reputation and I am tempted: however, they are quite a bit pricier and I don't really need top quality for the small-sized socket set. The new 1/2" Draper set seems good enough quality for 8mm+ and the Hilka 1/2" set in my garage have proven itself over the years to be unbreakable.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

spog posted:

4) Kamasa 55708 31-Piece Socket Set 1/4-Inch D

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kamasa-5570...d=3QWMBP60XB6ED
Pros: Good bars, range of sockets, proper torx sockets, lifetime guarantee
Cons: No screwdriver

I bought this one. It feels very nice and the case is lovely and strong.

However, I've just realised something stupid: the 25mm screwdriver bits are all fixed to 1/4" sockets. Lovely and strong - but it means I cannot use any other bits with this kit - such as the specialist 5-point Torx bit I just bought.

Being a metric-only kit, it doesn't have a 1/4" hex socket to use with them. D'oh!

EDIT: Haha! The 5point security bit set I bought on ebay already includes a 1/4" drive adaptor bit! Yay for not bothering to read the item descriptions!

spog fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Nov 7, 2011

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

revmoo posted:

We're getting off toolchat pretty far, but manufacturers could encode the VIN on some ROM inside the radio and probably stop OEM theft overnight. I don't think OEM radios are stolen very often though...

I'd give it less than 3 months before you can get the chip bypassed at your local flea market.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
Ball-end allen keys? Good idea or not?

I have some airbox bolts that would require the long end of an allen key to reach and my concern is that the ball-end will not give a good grip when undoing them. a fair worry or not?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

InitialDave posted:

Fair worry. More likely to round something off, and I've snapped the balls off before, too.

Worth having for off-axis hard-to-reach stuff, and they're generally ok most of the time, but if you've got access (and especially for anything tight), regular squared-off ends are better.

Ta for the warning. I shall buy some plain-jane straight ones with no balls.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Raluek posted:

This is the best way. Snap-on dual 80 ratchet, whatever sockets. I use 3/8 sockets more than anything though, so I have the 3/8 dual 80. Gear wrench wrenches, with assorted mostly craftsman misc combo wrenches to fill in the gaps. That'll cover 90% of everything.

Is 3/8 more popular than 1/4?

I bought a nice 1/4 set, but whenever I look for new sockets on Amazon/ebay, they tend to be in 3/8.

Or is just that the lovely end of the market has picked 3/8?

(I guess there's no harm in buying an adaptor set, anyway)

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
I've got a very chunky full set of 1/2 that could deconstruct the Eiffel Tower. (Inherited tools are the best)

I backed it up with a small set of 1/2 to keep in the car.

Both have the smallest sizes as 10 / 12 /14mm and I seemed to encounter a lot of 6/8/9/13mm bolts, so I invested in a complimentary set of 1/4 for everything under 14mm

Now I need a T50 Torx to undo my seat runners.

I don't know whether to get the cheap single bit (8mm hex)£3



The fancy set in 1/2 £6.80
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/15pc-Star-Torx-Male-E-Bit-Socket-Set-Storage-Case-T20-T25-T30-T40-T45-T50-T55-/280756008987



Or maybe an adaptor to 3/8 and get the socket variations: £8 + 1/4-3/8-1/2 adaptors
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TORX-STAR-SOCKET-SET-10-T15-T20-T25-T30-T40-T45-T50-T55-/180635630698



Hopefully, it is a job I only need to do once, so spending less makes sense. On the other hand, buying better makes sense in the long run

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
Okay, you've got me suitable concerned as I damned sure don't want the bit breaking while I am trying to unbolt the driver's seat.

Do you recommend something like this impact screwdriver bit:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Draper-66...=item415815bfcd

Or this impact socket (which would require me to get a set of adaptors to 3/8 to use it -though I suppose that buying a 3/8 ratchet wouldn't be much more expensive):

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IMPACT-STAR-TORX-BIT-3-8-DRIVE-T50-/160680594036?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item25694f4a74

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

PBCrunch posted:

Lots of seat and seat belt bolts are actually T47. T45 or maybe T50 might fit, but the T47 is a superior fit.

Thanks for putting doubt in my mind.....as it turns out that it's not actually a T50, but a ribes bolt.

T50 fits, but it is a little loose. I'd rather not have a 'near enough' for a bolt that's supposed to be a sod to get out and is also rather important for preservation of life.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
I've just got my hands on a bunch of cheapish Ni-Cd cordless tools that don't have chargers (ex-display stock, not stolen!). They have quite a range of battery types - 12v, 14v, 18v and the ones with the same voltage, don't have the same dimensions.

I have a feeling that buying a complete set of chargers is going to be bad value for money - is there such a thing as a 'universal charger'? Something with croc clips or the like to connect to the battery packs?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Sir Cornelius posted:

Extra length is called water pipe where I live.

In the UK, it's called 'scaffolding'

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Crustashio posted:

I can't speak for UK stuff, but I have This Impact (rated 240ft-lbs) and it'll pop off lugnuts all day. The only thing I couldn't get loose with were some M12 suspension bolts that had 12 years of salt on them. Those were so bad they recut their threads on the way out though.

And seriously, if you do any work on your car, buy a plugin electric impact if you don't have air tools. Just for taking wheels on and off it's worth the price, but it will come in handy more than you can ever realize.

Is there a difference between impact drivers and wrenches?

e.g. this is only rated at 150Nm, compared to the 450Nm of the cabled one previously mentioned

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/dewalt-18-volt-nano-phosphate-impact-driver-b

Is that enough to undo wheel nuts, etc?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Cakefool posted:

I got £50 of B&Q vouchers for Christmas so I spent it all on some flex head ratchet wrenches. Pulling the rear wiper motor off my wife's Peugeot wagon & the 9mm end prolapses all over the place. I take it back & the cheeky poo poo on customer service desk shrugs & tells me not to worry, 9mm "isn't common, you probably won't miss it"

It's been a while since I had a proper shouty rant at a customer service fall.

It's almost worth the initial hassle to enjoy a righteous, cathartic rant.

I assume that a grown-up helped you get a replacement.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Crustashio posted:

Yes, impact drivers have far less torque and sometimes apply a downward force in addition to a rotational one. I've always understood that they're meant for installing screws and such in a quick manner. ....

Ta for the explanation: so an 'impact driver' is more of a screwdriver on steroids, than a less-powerful impact gun.


Cakefool posted:

Yeah, no problem once I spoke to an adult.

The warranties on B&Q stuff is pretty good. You choose your price and know that you will get a tool that will last for at least that set period - even if you have to exchange it many times. The cheaper brands (Black and Decker) have shorter warranties than the more expensive (DeWalt) ones.


Friend and I worked out that Halfords Professional Tools are a better buy than Snap-on for even pros: both have life-time warranty, but Halfords are everywhere, you can afford to buy a duplicate set of your entire toolset and every 3? years you can write them off for tax purposes and buy a new one.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

InitialDave posted:

Make sure you keep your receipt, they never used to ask, now they do. Or at least my local one does.

I think they added that requirement fairly recently. Of course, the whammy here is that the till receipt will fade after 3 months and photocopies aren't accepted.


quote:

* Should a Halfords Advanced Professional Hand Tool fail whilst being used for the purpose and in the manner for which it was designed, it will be inspected and replaced. Simply return the product to your nearest Halfords store with proof of purchase and we will arrange a replacement for you.

Proof of purchase is required to validate the Lifetime Guarantee.
Misuse of the product will immediately invalidate the Lifetime Guarantee.
Moving parts are not covered for wear and tear under this guarantee.
Discontinued items will be replaced with an equivalent product in terms of use and quality.
This guarantee does not affect your statutory rights.

Also, I think that they don't cover the ratchet handle itself now - but it's still worth it.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Tomarse posted:

Do they cover ratchet spanners? The 10mm one I have broke the first time I used it last week :( I wasnt even abusing it - it broke as soon as I put any force on it and it wasnt even a tight nut.

I dunno, but you'd still be covered by the Sale of Goods Act for at least the first year.

quote:

Every time i get a halfords tool reciept now i staple it to a bit of A4 on which I write in marker what it is for so i can easily read it later. Stops them getting lost so easily too.
When I had all my stuff nicked back in the summer I was so happy to have a huge stack of reciepts for everything for my insurance claim!

I scan/copy them with a laser printer and staple the receipt to the printout.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Cakefool posted:

I've had halfords replace broken tools years after I bought them, they're like Harbor freight or craftsman sorta.

I was honest about it too.

I believe Halfords insist that you have the original receipt now.

That's the thermally printed receipt with a lifespan of 2-5 years before it fades - so don't forget to photocopy it.

Their Pro stuff is pretty drat good - which is odd as their cheap stuff is really lovely.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

mod sassinator posted:

You could throw them out and get a cheap set with a nice molded case:
http://www.harborfreight.com/100-piece-security-bit-set-68457.html

I find it's often the situation that it's easier to buy something cheap, thrown away the actual product and use the nice case/box with the expensive item that didn't come with a case at all.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Powershift posted:

It took the better part of a day to find the 5 point security torx bit to swap out the maf on my 540. One set in one store had it. Seriously, gently caress that wacky poo poo.

Oh god, that bloody bit.

I couldn't find one in any shop or online store. I eventually got lucky with some guy selling a used one on eBay.

Most places weren't even aware that it existed.

I've got it in my toolbox and it will probably stay there, unused, until I die.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

jammyozzy posted:

If I didn't already own basically the entire set in piecemeal form I'd take that off you in a heartbeat. As it is I'm eyeing up their £200 tool chest offer again, I could probably convince myself I deserve it. :v:

Me too. It's a shame that by the time you think you can almost justify buying a really nice set of tools, you've already got most of them in 'pretty good' quality (unless you are professional spanner-jockey).

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Cancelbot posted:

For UK goons someone mentioned the halfords advanced professional sets earlier on in the thread. Well they're now better than half price;

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_storeId_10001_catalogId_10151_productId_862463_langId_-1_categoryId_255215

£249.99 socket set for £109.99

I got mine recently and they feel like excellent tools. Lifetime guarantee too;


Oh man, that is such a nice set for such little money. I really hate that I cannot justify it.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

jammyozzy posted:

*E* Too slow.

They're useful for doing up stuff like fuel pipes, where you need a torque setting but can't get a real socket onto it.

Related, I bought that 7 & 5 drawer Halfords tool chest combo today, seems reasonably well made and is a drat sight better than my old plastic tool box. Shame about those stickers, any tactic for peeling them off cleanly?

I got some sticker removal liquid from the Pound Shop* that works pretty well


(Actually, the 'Yippee, it's 99p!' shop)

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

metallicaeg posted:

This is what working part time at Harbor Freight will do to you:





I get how you got the allen keys (pockets), but how did you steal the long ratchets?

Stick them down a pant leg and claim to be very happy at the end of the day?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
Due to a logistics cock-up. I had no metal drill bits when I needed to put up a metal cabinet.

I bought a £1 pack of wood bits thinking that even if I destroyed the bit I was using, it was the easier/cheaper option. And as it was only 1mm mild steel and I only needed to make one screwhole, I thought I'd get through it eventually.

Nope...

A lot of dust and I didn't actually manage to bore a hole through something I could have punched a hole with my penknife in.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Holy poo poo. I cold not stop watching, slack-jawed.

Comparing a 3D printer to this is like comparing a go-cart to a fighter jet.

1 min 18 seconds - my brain can't understand how they are finishing a hole off-axis like that.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

oxbrain posted:

It's shifting the Y axis to stay on centerline. Not much trickier than single point threading, but it's a neat party trick. Almost nobody does it on machines that small because it's more of a pain in the rear end than milling the hole.

Nope, still can't get my head around 1:18m. The material is still spinning about the centreline, yet the tool is making an off-centre hole. I am either stupid, missing something or in desperate need of an animated gif to explain it.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Galler posted:

Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li8UlyU8AUM&t=237s. The CTX video is essentially the same except instead of having the work offset the tool is.

e: I know of a couple good videos that feature offset boring but I can't find them.

Okay, I think I get it now, thanks. I guess they did that way in the CTX video to show off (rightly so).

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

InitialDave posted:

Halfords have their 114-piece toolkit on offer:



Normally £150, down to £100 in-store, but down to £70 online.

Struck me as a good general toolkit if I need to cart one somewhere (i.e. the typical "I done broked my car" phone call from a mate) without burglarising my garage kit.

Thanks for the tip-off. Halfords sets always look very tempting - but I can never justify buying a whole new kits when I have 95% of the stuff already, in a crappy box.

Mind you, this:



Seems pretty good for £25

Worth buying to leave in the car.

(once you add a 10mm spanner - who the hell forgets that?)

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

InitialDave posted:

I have one of those as well, got it for £15 in a store's clear out.

Quality stuff? you'd recommend it?

quote:

The point for me of the boxes kits is that they're unitary, and can be kept self contained - as for the garage stuff, I like to double up on hand tools, makes life a lot easier for some jobs (and you can rope a mate in to work in parallel with you).

That's part of the appeal for me, too. It seems whenever I do something, I either have to carry a big, heavy box filled with stuff I won't use - or split it and stick stuff in a carrier bag.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Uthor posted:

Followup question, do you feel like James Bond when you pull out that case?

I just bought it.

It's less James Bond and more My First Make-up Case.

It's like the contents of my trousers: everything is there and works just fine, it's just that it is half the normal size.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Krakkles posted:

Basically, my last breaker bar just stayed under the rear seat of the 4x4, and was therefore exposed to huge amounts of dust.

Are you worried about the dust damaging it?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Krakkles posted:

That seems a bit much. And it wouldn't help it fit in said 4x4. But thanks, anyway.

Also ... :rolleyes: if you guys don't get why I'm taking better care of a tool that I plan on keeping. If you think dust in a greasable tool won't affect it, you're fooling yourself.

Serious talk: get a thick plastic bag and you can seal it with a bit of tape or a rubber band.

Not only does it keep dust off, it keeps moisture out. Plus, it is easy to wipe clean.

Things like mops may come in suitable bags. And my Wii came with a good bag around the power cable.


Or if you really want to splash the cash: http://www.amazon.com/ZCORR-Corrosion-Velcro-Shotgun-Rifle/dp/B00A2SMVAC

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
UK special offer from Halfords:



Original price is £160, currently £80 - £60 is a bloody good price.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

ShittyPostmakerPro posted:

I keep clicking on the banner on their site which says £60 but it's showing up at £80 in the checkout :(

I have the largest set already but have been thinking of a smaller set to keep in the car, and this would be perfect.

You're a day too early.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

ShittyPostmakerPro posted:

It was after midnight in my time zone!

Edit: It's up there now though. Thanks Halfords for being on EST or whatever.

Probably activated close to the UK opening hours.

Good bargain that. I can't justify it myself.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Tomarse posted:

That is a good deal.

I already have a halfords set but have lost 3 sockets and am looking at £10 to replace them with decent ones.

It's tempting to spend £50 on top of this and then keep a shitload of spares, or just stick 90% of it back on ebay as seperate spares! (which is how I've been filling my gaps as it is cheaper than buying seperates new!)

I keep looking at it, but I know that I can't justify the purchase to myself: I already have more than enough decent socket sets - if I am honest, I probably own more sockets than I have nuts to fasten.

Mind you, I am feeling smug anyway: I just bought their own brand oil at less half price, without realising that it was a super-special deal with limited stock.

If I hadn't reserved it online, I wouldn't have been able to buy it in the store as they sold out within a matter of hours. I only reserved it so that I didn't have to waste time looking for it on the shelves.

EDit: my father just bought the toolset. Now I don't feel guilty about taking his old (but awesome) socket set.

spog fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Aug 11, 2014

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
I bought a set,ShittyPostmakerPro, Tomarse

spog posted:

UK special offer from Halfords:



Original price is £160, currently £80 - £60 is a bloody good price.

Despite the fact that I already own a complete, pro-quality 1/2" set
and a 1/2" mini set

And a complete 3/8" set

And a complete 1/4" set

In fact, I think that there's probably about 4 sockets in the new set that I don't already own (and hence, don't need)

But
a) it's a bargain and who can resist a bargain?
b) it's shiny. Ooh shiny! and
c) I just spent £65 to fill my car with diesel. This is less than a tankful of diesel, so counts as fun money

Now please share your stories of buying stuff that you know you don't need.

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spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.
^^^^ OR

InitialDave posted:

Somewhat annoying, just got myself a nice new Swiss army knife (Victorinox Workchamp), and barely have I opened the box, my MD points out to me that it's illegal to actually carry because the blade locks and is 4" long.

He is right - the "good reason to have it" nonsense. Needs to be a slightly smaller, non- locking one to keep in my pocket. Ordered myself a Deluxe Tinker to do the job instead.

Bloody nanny state bollocks!

I have a literal box of penknives that I can't carry because they lock and the law changed.

It's bloody ridiculous - I have to carry a 3" blade that is going to shut on my fingers in use.

One of them is even an Official World Scout swiss army knife and it is illegal.

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