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First live show: WWF House Show in Landover, Maryland, March 1995. Singles Match Aldo Montoya defeats Kwang Singles Match Henry O. Godwinn defeats Duke Droese Singles Match Hakushi defeats Bob Holly Tag Team Match Bret Hart & The British Bulldog defeat Jerry Lawler & Owen Hart WWF World Tag Team Title Match The Smoking Gunns (Bart Gunn & Billy Gunn) (c) defeat The Heavenly Bodies (Jimmy del Ray & Tom Prichard) Singles Match The Undertaker defeats Bam Bam Bigelow by Count Out Tag Team Match Diesel & Razor Ramon defeat Jeff Jarrett & Shawn Michaels I was 14 and the only things I remember are Bam Bam Bigelow saying he was gonna kick Lawrence Taylor’s rear end, and it not being nearly as dark for Taker’s entrance. I don’t recall the first WWF TV show specifically I watched. I remember my first NWA PPV I saw. Starrcade, Night of the Skywalkers.
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i have a very specific question that does not deserve its own thread: will ospreay's move the "one man spanish fly", any word on why its called that? only thing i can think of is that ospreay is saying he's doing all the "work" on the move, but i dont think even will ospreay is dumb enough to have a signature move with a kayfabe breaking name. i just cant figure out any other implication, and the name doesnt really make sense for a standing spanish fly otherwise. it just really bothers me whenever kevin kelly says it, ospreay's got a lot of super dumb move names but that takes the cake.
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shiksa posted:i have a very specific question that does not deserve its own thread: will ospreay's move the "one man spanish fly", any word on why its called that? only thing i can think of is that ospreay is saying he's doing all the "work" on the move, but i dont think even will ospreay is dumb enough to have a signature move with a kayfabe breaking name. i just cant figure out any other implication, and the name doesnt really make sense for a standing spanish fly otherwise. The Spanish Fly was originally a double team move done by the SAT.
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MassRafTer posted:The Spanish Fly was originally a double team move done by the SAT. drat i did not know that, i just knew the "spanish fly" as a top rope move doing that same thing. thank you MRT, for clarifying one of the things about will ospreay that annoys me so i can concentrate on the other things.
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Jackie D posted:Who was the SAT
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The historyofwwe.com has the first card I attended as:quote:WWF @ Regina, Saskatchewan - Agridome - September 4, 1988 I don’t remember the first three matches at all, and I’m sure OMG/JYD didn’t happen. One of the other matches was Blue Blazer vs Brooklyn Brawler. Some older kids at the show told me that Blue Blazer was Owen Hart from Stampede Wrestling so Blazer instantly became my favourite.
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Jackie D posted:Who was the SAT Jose and Joel Maximo the Spanish Announce Team. They were all over early ROH and TNA. Not as influential or good as Amazing Red but they still did a lot of impressive stuff for the time.
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This was my first live show: WWF @ East Rutherford, NJ - Meadowlands - December 12, 1993 (7,000) Featured an in-ring promo by Jim Cornette where he insulted the crowd and said Randy Savage's match later in the show vs. Crush would be his last Owen Hart pinned Bastion Booger at 5:42 with a roll up after Booger missed a splash in the corner The Headshrinkers defeated Men on a Mission when Samu pinned Mo with a diving headbutt off the top Rick Martel defeated Virgil at 12:35 Doink the Clown (w/ Dink) pinned Bam Bam Bigelow at 7:28 after Bigelow was distracted by Dink Randy Savage fought Crush (w/ Mr. Fuji & Jim Cornette) to a double count-out at 16:14 IRS pinned Marty Jannetty at 9:18 with the Write Off clothesline WWF IC Champion Razor Ramon & the 1-2-3 Kid defeated Johnny Polo (w/ Pierre) & Adam Bomb (w/ Harvey Wippleman) at 10:55 when Razor pinned Bomb with the Razor's Edge after Polo walked out on his partner when Bomb accidentally hit him Lex Luger pinned Ludvig Borga at 6:42 I also saw this magnificent card: WWF @ Sayreville, NJ - High School Gym - July 14, 1995 Fundraiser show Skip defeated Nick Barberry Jean Pierre Lafitte defeated Aldo Montoya Adam Bomb defeated Hakushi Savio Vega defeated King Mabel via disqualification; after the bout, Razor Ramon made the save for Vega Hunter Hearst Helmsley defeated Doink the Clown Bam Bam Bigelow defeated King Kong Bundy
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I think this is the first one I ever saw- WWF IC Champion Jeff Jarrett & WWF European Champion Mark Henry defeated Val Venis & D-Lo Brown when Jarrett pinned Venis with a superplex at around 9:45 Hardcore Holly defeated Crash Holly after about 3 minutes Viscera (sub. for Al Snow) pinned Gangrel with a splash after 3 minutes Christian & Edge defeated Matt & Jeff Hardy, the Dudley Boyz, and the Acolytes in an elimination match; the Dudleyz & Acolytes fought to a double count-out at 5:00; Edge pinned Jeff Hardy with the spear Test pinned Steve Blackman with a powerbomb The Rock defeated WWF World Champion Triple H via disqualification when the Big Show broke the cover at around 6:00 WWF Women's Champion Ivory defeated Tori, Luna, and Jackie after Jackie was hit with the title belt The Big Bossman defeated Ken Shamrock in a KO match by putting him in a sleeper after attacking him with the nightstick as the referee was knocked out Kane pinned WWF Tag Team Champion the Big Show at around 6:15; the match was originally Kane/Mankind vs. Show/Undertaker but Mankind didn't show so it turned into a one-on-one bout after the Undertaker and Viscera jumped Kane before the match X-Pac pinned Billy Gunn at 12:00 after stepping out of the way of the Fameasser
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The only live wrestling I've ever been to is one or both of these shows that the WWF put on in my hometown when I was a little kid. Looking at the cards I'm almost certain that we went to the second one, but we might have gone to see the first one as well. I remember the matches from the Octoboer show (mostly), but I also have a very clear memory of hearing Tatanka's intro yell in the arena and he's not on that card.WWF House Show 18.10.1992 posted:Max Moon defeats Barry Horowitz I'm sure I was devastated when the Bushwhackers lost. I loved those guys when I was five. Mr. Baps fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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My first live show was Wrestlemania 18, which was fine Then I saw a house show in Flint where the lady behind me was extremely horny for Bobby Lashley
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Who are the contenders for MVP of 2019 as of today?
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Jun 12, 2019 09:24
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What do you classify as an MVP? For me just in terms of the guys who make every match they have must-see, I'd say Will Ospreay for sure and Johnny Gargano arguably. I haven't had a chance to see any of his matches but apparently Kento Miyahara has been great all year long
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Will Ospreay, Kento Miyahara but next to noone (including myself but i really want to someone hook me up) has seen him, Shingo Takagi, Johnny Gargano, Adam Cole Who is up for Rookie of the Year or Most Improved? I cant think of much in either camp. Bianca Belair for most improved maybe? Im sure AEW will open some eyes too to some underutilised talent.
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In terms of business I can see Mox ending up in the discussion because of the buzz he’s created for both AEW and NJPW
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Jerusalem posted:What do you classify as an MVP? For me just in terms of the guys who make every match they have must-see, I'd say Will Ospreay for sure and Johnny Gargano arguably. I haven't had a chance to see any of his matches but apparently Kento Miyahara has been great all year long The whole package. Body of work is a key component, but also drawing ability and impact on the business are key components. Ospreay and Miyahara are great, but neither have had a huge impact on the business.
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RealFoxy posted:Amazing Red's cousins and one of those indie names from before it really exploded like Reckless Youth where it's kiiinda hard to find footage from their prime but were super influential to indie wrestling for the decades to come Yeah, they were graduates of Mikey Whipwreck's school in the New York area along with Red, Brian XL, Quiet Storm & Chris Divine, who ended up doing touring series of matches in the early 2000s indy scene. And if you want to see them, hey, this match from CZW of Red & the SATs vs XL & Divine Storm is on their Youtube and was their breakout match as far as the wider US indie scene goes. It's kind of a time capsule for the era, very much a spotfest but a very well executed one, doesn't outstay its welcome. Adaptabullshit posted:Who are the contenders for MVP of 2019 as of today? Will Ospreay or Kento Miyahara are the early frontrunners. Ospreay just helped do the biggest drawing Best of the Super Juniors final since 1999 and has obviously had arguably the best in ring year, I count 18 **** or higher matches from WON, with 2 ***** or higher. Miyahara has had a great year in ring as well and overseen a steady growth of All Japan business, much of which has been on his back. If you're excluding them because their impact on the business is relative, I don't know man. Nobody in the WWE is a draw. Okada by default? forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Jun 12, 2019 |
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Adaptabullshit posted:The whole package. Body of work is a key component, but also drawing ability and impact on the business are key components. I suppose you could make an argument for Cody Rhodes then, as though his wrestling is probably his weakest point he's at the forefront of a pretty major shake-up of pro-wrestling in North America at least. You could probably easily make an argument for the Bucks and Kenny too for the same reasons. The Bucks moreso than any of them perhaps.
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Adaptabullshit posted:The whole package. Body of work is a key component, but also drawing ability and impact on the business are key components. Ill say this For this year and for me last year Will Ospreay has Most Outstanding Wrestler locked up. Wrestler of the Year for last year was Omega. This year youre right theres nothing really standing out in what you've described. AEW has time.
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forkboy84 posted:
Those two are definitely two top runners just by the body of their work. I absolutely love both of these guys, but I also have to judge them by their surrounding circumstances. Willy has been working in the midcard, which to be honest, isn't the best position for him. If he has a killer G1/Heavyweight run, he has a better chance at becoming MVP. Kento will be the Tokyo Sports MVP quite surely, currently no one from NJPW (or any other promotion in Japan) qualifies for that. Unfortunately, AJPW is a bit player in the worldwide scheme of things and Kento still hasn't reached his full recognition that he deserves. The guy needs more appearances outside of his home promotion. No one from WWE will qualify. Okada hasn't had a special year and fairly sure he won't be making any big moves overall until the next dome. I personally would have placed PAC as my top contender, but he lost momentum after the Double or Nothing match got cancelled.
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forkboy84 posted:And if you want to see them, hey, this match from CZW of Red & the SATs vs XL & Divine Storm is on their Youtube and was their breakout match as far as the wider US indie scene goes. It's kind of a time capsule for the era, very much a spotfest but a very well executed one, doesn't outstay its welcome. I had only seen the botch-filled rematch from Cage of Death III before - this match was loving fantastic and thank you for posting it!
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My first live show was Spring Stampede '99. WCW's last great show. You can even see my pale skinny rear end on the home video, if memory serves.
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jesus WEP posted:In terms of business I can see Mox ending up in the discussion because of the buzz he’s created for both AEW and NJPW Yeah, for me If Moxley has a good G1 showing, and some bangers for AEW it would be hard to see past him. That US title match with Juice was a great start.
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My first event was here in Finland, it was called Culture Shock and the date seems to be 08/30/2003 : Single Match: Erik Isaksen vs. Gromguten Single Match: Mike Sanders vs. Sonny Siaki (During the break Sanders worked me at the merch table and actually got me to buy aWCW invasion t-shirt... that he was wearing. Tag Team Match: Johnny Merlyn & Easyrider vs. Bjørn Sem & Byron Lawless NWA World Heavyweight Championship Match; 2 out of 3 Falls: AJ Styles (c) vs. Kid Kash #1 Contender for the Major League Wrestling World Heavyweight Title; Street Fight: "The Franchise" Shane Douglas vs. Sabu I also have a question. What was Robbie E and his valets entrance music in TNA during the time he was "feuding" with Jersey Shore. It was something "fist bumb"
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I remember going to one of the early ROH shows in Wakefield, I believe the SAT were there and did the Spanish Fly. At a later show in the Boston Area one of them was down at the barricade and we had ringside seats, so my friend Tim kept trying to give him a dollar. It felt very funny at the time. He just ignored us.
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TheCool69 posted:My first event was here in Finland, it was called Culture Shock and the date seems to be 08/30/2003  Styles made me an instant fan. I had never heard of him before.
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The only live wrestling I know I have been to was an AIW show two months ago. I feel like I have missed a deep and rich world.
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Styles and Kash in '03 sounds like a really fun time, especially given the amount of time they'd need to go for a 2/3 falls match.
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has anyone ever dropped down from heavyweight to challenge for the jr. heavyweight strap in New Japan?
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Low Desert Punk posted:has anyone ever dropped down from heavyweight to challenge for the jr. heavyweight strap in New Japan? Liger had a spell as a Heavyweight in the early 2000s before returning to the Jrs.
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Is AEW the new #2 promotion in the world or does NJPW still hold that spot?
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fatherofmustard posted:Is AEW the new #2 promotion in the world or does NJPW still hold that spot? I would say AEW needs to sustain their success over the course of a couple years with some hefty gates before they're #2 They are #2 in the U.S. though
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fatherofmustard posted:Is AEW the new #2 promotion in the world or does NJPW still hold that spot?
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Gaz-L posted:Styles and Kash in '03 sounds like a really fun time, especially given the amount of time they'd need to go for a 2/3 falls match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjh9libHeVs It's on youtube with poor audio and bad (finnish) commentary.
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I dont remember date of my first show but it was in the Hartford Civic Center and we were right above the entrance (it was just the curtain) so my 8 year old self could reach over and get high fives from wrestlers. The only vivid thing I remember is the Rockers were leaving the ring and one of them high fived me and the other one didn't and I sat down disappointed and a couple seconds later, I heard a "hey, hey!" and looked over and the other Rocker was standing there with his hand out, I slapped it and enjoyed the rest of the show. The Warrior main evented, but no memory of who it was against (timing wise, it may have been against Rick Rude)
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In the latest Deathmatch episode of The Wrestlers on VICE he visits a Japanese wrestling memorabilia store to get Onitas barbwire bat. Anyone know anything more about this shop?
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Beer_Suitcase posted:In the latest Deathmatch episode of The Wrestlers on VICE he visits a Japanese wrestling memorabilia store to get Onitas barbwire bat. Anyone know anything more about this shop? Yes, it's called Toudoukan and it rules. It's in a different location than the one in that doc now but it has anything you could ever want. VHS tapes, magazines going back decades, masks, figures, shirts, gear, records, literally everything. Spent way more money than I should have when I went there during our Wrestle Kingdom trip. They ship to the states, too, and are so incredibly helpful. https://www.toudoukan.com/
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fatherofmustard posted:Is AEW the new #2 promotion in the world or does NJPW still hold that spot? worldwide its probably #4. we'll have a better idea at the end of the year where it is. there's a very strong chance that his BOSJ performance and the G1 performance he is going to have this year will lock up Wrestler Of The Year/Most Outstanding for billy brexit
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My first ever live wrestling show I was 14. I'd been training at this local Indy for like 6 months and they decided it'd be a good idea for me to be the ref for the first 4 matches and then I had my debut in the rumble. None of it went well.
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