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CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Pillbug

I run bump kimura guillotine as a set. I get the bump least frequently of all.

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Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.



Count Roland posted:

Looking for hip bump sweep suggestions.

I'm already pretty good at it (blue belt level) but want to really focus on it. I caught a higher belt with it a few times, and I knew he was going to start defending. Next time he did defend, I went to kimura, he defended that and I used it to get the hip bump w/ kimura grip into mount. It was sweet.

I'm especially looking for things to chain this into and out of, or maybe little known tips or good videos. Currently my weakness is that I don't always put my blocking leg flat on the ground against uke's leg, as Ryan Hall suggests. I'm also not great at the kimura from guard, I mostly just use it to get the hip bump sweep, but being able to finish is something I'm working on.

This is the best video I've found so far, it goes over the hip bump <-> kimura combo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCos35cv5T8

Learn this, and rejoice.

https://youtu.be/S6yoaQjv2T4

spb
Nov 11, 2013



Good vid. Made me think about how a tandem of closed guard kimura and triangle (arm on body vs on the mat) could be used as offensive weapons

Claeaus
Mar 29, 2010


First time rolling today since the world ended. Rusty as hell but I managed to tap one guy who usually kicks my rear end. He then proceeded to kick my rear end for the rest of the roll and the later roll but I got him once so today was a good day!

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I’ve mostly abandoned hip bump -> kimura in favor of hip bump -> triangle. It feels like my body has a shorter distance to travel, and I feel like I can force them to carry more of my bodyweight while I do the transition.

The way Ryan Hall shows, it looks like this is less a transition from one to the next as it is a fake hip bump to triangle. Is it still possible to get the sweep while using this?

And to others, I'll check out the guillotine as a combo here although I can never come close to pulling off that sub. Thanks for the suggestions.

Drewjitsu
Sep 2, 2007

Muay Thai is great but Buttscoot-Shin-to-Balls Style is undeniably better.



Count Roland posted:

The way Ryan Hall shows, it looks like this is less a transition from one to the next as it is a fake hip bump to triangle. Is it still possible to get the sweep while using this?

And to others, I'll check out the guillotine as a combo here although I can never come close to pulling off that sub. Thanks for the suggestions.

Yes, because they don't plant their arm to stop the bump which leads to the triangle.

They don't have a choice - get swept by the world's shitiest hip bump, or post to stop it.

Mursupitsku
Sep 12, 2011


Hip bump to triangle is the only thing I can hit relatively frequently from full guard. Its a real joy to do it many times in a row and hit it even though the opponent knows its coming. They really don't have a choice other than to post with their arm.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



Or they can post on your body to prevent you coming up, which lets you work towards armbars and stuff. Itís hazy because Iím still easing in after covid but I think my trigger to hip bump is Ďany time they posture up and donít have their hands on meí.

spb
Nov 11, 2013


I'm still on a Melanson kick. Watching the Filthy Kimura.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Or they can post on your body to prevent you coming up, which lets you work towards armbars and stuff. It’s hazy because I’m still easing in after covid but I think my trigger to hip bump is ‘any time they posture up and don’t have their hands on me’.

This is my trigger. I'll aggressively pull down just to get them to posture up with extra force.

Good guys will always be keeping you down, against them you can grab an arm and push it aside our nice your torso side to side to avoid the frames.

the yellow dart
Jul 19, 2004

King of rings, armlocks, hugs, and our hearts

Count Roland posted:

This is my trigger. I'll aggressively pull down just to get them to posture up with extra force.

Good guys will always be keeping you down, against them you can grab an arm and push it aside our nice your torso side to side to avoid the frames.

This is why the hip-bump sweep variant mentioned on the last page, where you drag their arm across you, is so valuable. You're taking away the option of them posting and framing, especially if you can effectively shift which hand you are holding theirs with. If they do anything to regain control of that arm that isn't some version of "slowly drag elbow across your torso" you have an opportunity to use their momentum against them. And if they don't do anything, you take their back. Win-win-win-win.

Also this is the one I use the most that isn't just a speed hip-bump sweep where I have no control over anything but get the timing right and then they just get mad.

spb
Nov 11, 2013


Wish I was rolling so I could experiment with the reverse figure 4 Kimura

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



A gym I trained at 8-10 years ago is collapsing in a horrific lloyd irvin style sex predator scandal. BJJ is back to normal, everybody!

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


02-6611-0142-1 posted:

A gym I trained at 8-10 years ago is collapsing in a horrific lloyd irvin style sex predator scandal. BJJ is back to normal, everybody!

BJJ has a huge problem with these kinds of people unfortunately.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013



Tacos Al Pastor posted:

BJJ has a huge problem with these kinds of people unfortunately.

Does it? There's a number of scandals and I'm sure plenty more dirt beneath the surface. But for a sport that's basically constant groping I think BJJ does pretty well? I'm a guy though, so maybe it's way worse than I think it is.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





Count Roland posted:

Does it? There's a number of scandals and I'm sure plenty more dirt beneath the surface. But for a sport that's basically constant groping I think BJJ does pretty well? I'm a guy though, so maybe it's way worse than I think it is.


Well there have been a handful of high profile people/gyms with this issue. DLR & Lloyd Irvin come to mind. Then there have been lesser known blackbelts who abused kids/women under their supervision.

I think it's not absurd to say there's a big problem if these sort of people exist but nobody is calling it out or being more proactive in stamping it out and making it easier to report these sort of people and holding them accountable.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/3/...itsu-crime-news

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/bjj-b...uicide-in-jail/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/flori...enage-students/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/teen-...rts-instructor/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/olymp...tsu-tournament/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/winni...sexual-assault/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/bjj-b...-teenage-girls/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/gym-o...sault-on-minor/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/rober...sexual-assault/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/ufcs-...gym-misconduct/

I'm not saying all BJJ people are sexual deviants and sexpests or whatever term is best to apply here. I'm saying that there's this dumb mentality that "they're good at jiu jitsu therefore how can they be a bad person" or whatever that exists in forms outside of BJJ.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man



Pillbug

It's more of a martial arts problem and broadly a sports problem than specifically a jiu jitsu problem. Coaches get a lot of power and influence over people, and that's where abuse happens. E.g. Minor hockey in Canada has had some horror stories.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





CommonShore posted:

It's more of a martial arts problem and broadly a sports problem than specifically a jiu jitsu problem. Coaches get a lot of power and influence over people, and that's where abuse happens. E.g. Minor hockey in Canada has had some horror stories.

Right. I think that's a fair assessment rather than BJJ itself and probably should have expressed that a bit more clearly. I think really though gyms/chains need to do a better job at handling this stuff and preventing it as there's still abuse happening despite people knowing this stuff happens around the world.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014








Mekchu posted:

Well there have been a handful of high profile people/gyms with this issue. DLR & Lloyd Irvin come to mind. Then there have been lesser known blackbelts who abused kids/women under their supervision.

I think it's not absurd to say there's a big problem if these sort of people exist but nobody is calling it out or being more proactive in stamping it out and making it easier to report these sort of people and holding them accountable.

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/3/...itsu-crime-news

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/bjj-b...uicide-in-jail/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/flori...enage-students/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/teen-...rts-instructor/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/olymp...tsu-tournament/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/winni...sexual-assault/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/bjj-b...-teenage-girls/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/gym-o...sault-on-minor/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/rober...sexual-assault/

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/ufcs-...gym-misconduct/

I'm not saying all BJJ people are sexual deviants and sexpests or whatever term is best to apply here. I'm saying that there's this dumb mentality that "they're good at jiu jitsu therefore how can they be a bad person" or whatever that exists in forms outside of BJJ.

Gross.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004



This abuse was the type of thing where the guy used his position of power to date women younger than himself, then was a really abusive partner to them. It's not specific to BJJ, it's specific to any kind of hobby that has a culty atmosphere.

The gym is question is pretty big and has quite a few black belts but nobody ever competes because they're insular and maybe arrogant. Any big gym where nobody competes is going to turn out to be either a mcdojo or a cult, imo.

Pocket Billiards
Aug 29, 2007
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Is there another sport where so many top tier competitors have the worldview of an genuine r/conspiracy poster?

Murray Mantoinette
Jun 11, 2005

THE  POSTS  MUST  FLOW

Clapping Larry

Darts

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006





Pocket Billiards posted:

Is there another sport where so many top tier competitors have the worldview of an genuine r/conspiracy poster?

There's a lot of notable NBA players who are flat Earthers.

Dave Grool
Oct 21, 2008





Grimey Drawer

Iím sort of encouraged that a lot of these abuse stories become public in the BJJ community. It happens everywhere and the communities where you donít hear about it are way shittier in my experience.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003


Count Roland posted:

But for a sport that's basically constant groping

I think this is the reason why. Which is why gyms absolutely must cover their asses with having cameras and having a zero tolerance approach to misconduct

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Gurpgork?



Fun Shoe

Welp, I'm not going back any time soon it turns out. I stupidly forgot that my drugs technically put me in a higher risk category if I catch the roni. I went through all the trouble of organizing with a partner and was planning on going back next week, now it looks like I'm basically stuck until there is a vaccine.

FiestaDePantalones
May 13, 2005

Kicked in the pants by TFLC

South American Ground Karate.
Reap Knees for Satan.
Heel Hook Children.

I need t-shirts, rash guards, and patches.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012





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Cyber Sandwich
Nov 16, 2011



"I am the blue."

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