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Kaufman really is the best character. Any character who tries to buy you before even introducing themselves can't be a bad character. It's too bad she never joins your party. She'd be like that merchant from Jade Empire, except she'd be in skits so it'd be awesome. Edit: Also, dungeon video would be interesting, except maybe on some of the annoying ones, then it'd just be funny. Edit edit: Whoops-- didn't notice the cutscene videos. Senerio fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jun 15, 2011 |
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Bosses (well, the one we had so far) are included in the cutscene video of the scene around them, but I could also put up separate versions if you want.
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Jun 15, 2011 20:59
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yeah dungeon videos would be nice. Of course you'd be cutting most of the random encounters correct?
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I understand the drive to be a big drat hero, but for a doll Yuri? Seriously? The correct response was "gently caress your stupid doll, kid". Also why is Yuri asking Estelle who Kaufman was, when Yuri participated in that conversation much more? Oh well, at least his dog is awesome.
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Senerio posted:In Deidon Hold, you meet the best character in the game. What? What was honestly so special about her? I don't recall disliking her persay, but what on earth did she actually do that so endeared her to you? You can tell us after it's happened in game if you want.
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Elite posted:Also why is Yuri asking Estelle who Kaufman was, when Yuri participated in that conversation much more? Well, it's more strange that Estelle gives that answer, he's not really asking about Kaufman as much as he is about guilds. Does something prevent you from skipping the town and just going straight to the forest? Seems like it'd have to, but I'm curious as to what the excuse is. also yeah, I'm interested in dungeon videos as long as there's enough going on other than just walking from A to B and fighting whatever gets in the way.
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Polsy posted:Well, it's more strange that Estelle gives that answer, he's not really asking about Kaufman as much as he is about guilds. I also found it odd that Yuri seems to have so many questions about the world which seem like common knowledge. Though really he just sounded like he never had much interaction with them rather than not knowing what they are. As for why Estelle knows, I'm pretty sure most of her time in the castle was spent reading books. She can recite textbook definitions of things or stories but has no real firsthand knowledge. As for trying to go to the forest first, I'm pretty sure there's just a short scene about how your destination is Deidon Hold and there's no reason to be there right now and they make you turn around. That's basically what happens anytime you try to go somewhere else before you're supposed to. Adus fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jun 16, 2011 |
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A jargogle posted:What? What was honestly so special about her? I don't recall disliking her persay, but what on earth did she actually do that so endeared her to you? You can tell us after it's happened in game if you want. It's mostly her personality; she had priced both Yuri and Estelle in her head the moment she saw them. It's implied she does that to everybody. She is also the most powerful character in the game once you realize that every shop is run by Fortune's Market. The third and fourth reasons are mid-game spoilers.
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Man, this game. I love Repede, he's one of my favorite characters. It's not really clear from the screenshots how much of an rear end in a top hat he is. See, Repede's status in cutscenes is always one of three things: 1. Repede was there, too. The camera just pans to him for a moment to reassure you that yes, he was there, too. 2. Repede is extremely competent, and does something to help everyone out. 3. Repede is an rear end in a top hat to someone, often a random soldier NPC as recently...or Estelle. In post-battle posing with Estelle and Repede in the party, Estelle will often go for a thing Yuri does with Repede in these poses - basically a doggy salute or high five and barking. Repede's response is, apparently, to just turn and point his rear end at her. (Or, at least, he does something that results in her saying 'Your tail?', since his pose doesn't really change.)
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rubythunder posted:yeah dungeon videos would be nice. Of course you'd be cutting most of the random encounters correct? I dunno, I was thinking of leaving them in, if just for people to get a better look at the battle system since screenshots can't really capture it and if not for random encounters in the videos you'd only see boss battles. Also, since the post above me mentioned them, I was thinking of making some sort of post-battle conversation compilation since they are pretty funny, but right now our lack of party members doesn't give us a lot of variety so it's gonna come a bit later.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:I dunno, I was thinking of leaving them in, if just for people to get a better look at the battle system since screenshots can't really capture it and if not for random encounters in the videos you'd only see boss battles. oh in that case sure. And some of the post battle stuff should definitely be seen.
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rubythunder posted:oh in that case sure. And some of the post battle stuff should definitely be seen. The best one: "This is my victory pose!"
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No, the best one is Raven and Estelle high-fiving, then Raven going for a hug and Estelle slowly backing away.
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Both of those are excellent. Although there are several other really good ones too.
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Everyone here has not seen the best one, it seems. Estelle: Our weapons are love! Yuri: Justice! Raven (incredibly creepy voice): Sexuality! Rita: Will you stop? Or its sequel: Yuri: Our weapons are? Cap'n Karol: Courage! Raven: Youth! Judith: Modesty! Yuri: Yeah, like you all have any of those.
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No, no the best is clearly Karol: We won! Yuri: Alright! Repede: Awwooooo! Raven: Too many guys around here... Though, really, anything with Raven is the best. So... yeah... just stay dead!
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This game really has the best end of battle conversations. It kind of has the best cast, too. They're so. . . ragtag. Like seriously, how did these people end up together? And not in the bad way like FFXII where Vaan and Penelo have nothing to do with anything and are weak characters who bring nothing to the story. Everyone is awesome and fun to use (except Karol) and add something to the game. Plus the plot is very non-conventional by JRPG standards. This game loving rules.
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If you want to see the battle system in action in some random battles, here's an uncut video of my trip through the Quoi Woods, which also includes the cutscenes linked separately below. Let's enter the woods! Watch the cutscene!    ...A forest in a place like this can only mean...the Quoi Woods...? Bingo. You're just full of information, aren't you? I read in a book once that a curse will fall upon anyone who enters the woods... Ah, so that must be the "surprise."  ...I know. Okay, let's go!The Quoi Woods is another very simple and straightforward dungeon. There's a few short sidepaths, one of them hidden fairly well near the end, that contain basic treasures as well as some defensive equipment, but apart from that you can just walk straight through.   Skit: The Curse, as Estelle Knows It Will this forest really get us to the other side of the Hold? If it doesn't, we'll just come back. ...But what if I get turned into a frog or a snake by the forest's curse?! If that happens, I'll take care of you. You'll...take care of me? Of course I would. Don't worry. I had pet frogs and snakes when I was a kid. If you got turned into a frog or a snake, Yuri, I wouldn't have any idea what to feed you...On the way, Yuri learns another arte. He's really getting a lot of those compared to the rest!    Wolf Strike stabs the enemy, then follows up with a backhand punch that knocks the enemy down. I personally don't like knockdown since most attacks can't hit knocked down enemies, but it's good if you need an enemy out of the picture for a few seconds.  I also find an Iron Circlet, which allows me to show off something neat about the menu in this game that I wish more games did. In this case it's fairly obvious, but let's assume for a second that we don't know who could equip this Iron Circlet or if it's actually an upgrade over your current stuff. What are we gonna do? Just open the menu, go to Items, switch over to the "New Items" category...  ...select the Circlet...  ...and we can see who can equip it and how much it in- or decreases our stats! Let's select Estelle here, and...  ...we get brought over to the Equipment menu, with the Iron Circlet highlighted! A very useful feature that can save you a lot of menu navigation time. Anyway, once we reach the middle of the dungeon we get another scene. Watch the cutscene!  My feet feel cold all of a sudden... Oh no! Is this the curse?! What sort of curse is it supposed to be, anyway? The voices of corpses buried beneath the trees creep up and lure us to our doom... Oh, brother. ...What's that?  Let's take a break. I-I'm all right. Huh? What's this? A flash of light causes Estelle to collapse.   Estelle!Yuri lets Estelle rest for a bit and searches for something to eat, finding some fruit.  After a short while, Estelle wakes up.   Ooh...my head feels a little... I'll be fine. What happened to me...? You just fell over all of a sudden. Don't you remember? Perhaps it was the aer that made me dizzy. Aer. That's sort of like the fuel that powers the blastia, right? I heard that even though we can't see it, it's scattered through the atmosphere. Yes, that's aer. I read once that dense aer can have negative effects on people. Hmm. Maybe that's what started the rumor of the curse.  But I can't. If we don't catch up with Flynn soon... And what if you collapse again, and this time you're out for the whole night? ...You're right. I'm sorry.Estelle sits down next to Yuri. Yuri offers her one of the fruits he got earlier.    Heh, I suppose we'll never get full trying to eat these. It's delicious. Hold on a sec. I can make something simple. You can cook, Yuri? I'm not exactly a royal chef. I just have a few recipes I learned growing up. Aren't you worried at all that Flynn is in danger? Huh? Does it look that way? Well...yes. Honestly, I'm not worried about him. He's always managed to take care of himself. Actually, it's the guys who are after him I feel sorry for. What do you mean? Ever since we were kids, I've never been able to beat Flynn at anything. Swords, racing, whatever. After he'd won, he'd always have the nerve to say, "You all right, Yuri?" That must be nice... I've never had anyone like that in my life. You can count yourself lucky. Well, dinner's ready. Thank you for the meal. It wasn't anything special. I thought it was very tasty. I can't imagine being able to cook anything myself. It's just like using a sword or magic. You've got to learn it by doing it. You just need to practice with a few recipes. You'll be cooking before you know it. Practice with recipes? Here, I'll show you how it's done. Watch.Ah yes, cooking. A minor mechanic that has been around in Tales games for a while now. Cooking is very simple: You just select the character who cooks, the recipe, and press Cook.  Depending on the character's natural talent and the amount of times he's already cooked the recipe, he's either gonna succeed or fail. A successful serving will give you whatever the recipe is supposed to do, such as a recovery of HP or TP, recovery of a status aliment, or a temporary stat boost for the next battle. A failed serving will just give you a very minor HP/TP recovery. You can cook once between every battle, and there are two ways to do so: Either from the menu, or directly after the battle.  If you want to cook directly after the battle on the Results screen, you have to set up some shortcuts, of which you can have four. There's also two ways to get new recipes: Learning them by finding them in towns, or creating off-shoots of your current ones by making a specific character cook a specific recipe a few times. For example, make Estelle cook Sandwich a bunch, and...  ...we get the recipe for Rice Ball. The evolutions don't really make sense, to be honest. That's pretty much all there is to cooking. Oh, and in case someone wonders what happens when you make Repede cook something:  Yeah. You're so good at that... I'm not sure I'd be able to get that good at cooking. Well, it comes more naturally to some people than others. Just because you have a recipe, doesn't mean it'll always turn out like you think. Really? So you can mess it up...? Well, you usually taste your food while cooking...but some people don't. Tasting? You know, like when cooks taste the food they make? Well, you're a sheltered little princess who's lived her life in a castle. It's only normal. Sheltered little princess... I suppose so. Well, shall we be going? Skit: Thanking Repede Repede, when I passed out, you laid down and made the nicest pillow for me. Thank you very much! ...What are you doing? I'm...um, thanking Repede... Repede? He's not here... Huh? Wh-what? ...Maybe he doesn't like me. Nah, he acts like that with just about everybody. If we look in the background where we just rested, we can see this guy:  Right now we can't get to it, and it would certainly decimate us even if we could, but keep in mind that it's there.  Skit: Is This the Curse? We can't seem to find our way through this forest at all. Oh! Could this be the curse?! What should we do, Yuri?! There really was a curse after all! Don't be stupid... Or...do you not have a good sense of direction? No, of course I do...I think... Then maybe it's my fault...?! What should we do...? They say no medicine can cure a fool, but I wish something could cure a bad sense of direction... *Whine...*Once we get to the exit, Repede starts growling. Watch the cutscene!   Hmm?  A kid jumps out of the bushes and starts spinning in circles with his weapon.  Yuri won't have any of that.     I-I'm warning you! I don't taste very good. You'll get the runs! Woof!! Oh my gosh, s-s-somebody h-h-help me--! Aaaah!! Is this kid for real? It's all right now. Oh, brother. This should be interesting. I'm Yuri. This is Estelle, and you've met Repede already. Anyway, nice to meet you.And with that, Yuri turns around and starts to leave the forest. What? Yuri, wait! (to Karol) My apologies. Huh? ...Hey, wait up! Where you guys going?! You guys are here to enter the woods, right? Well then, I'll... Actually, we've just finished coming through the woods, and we're on our way to Halure. No way! You guys made it through the cursed woods? Did you guys run into any eggbears? Do you know what he's talking about, Yuri? Nope. I don't think we've seen any. Man... Wonder if I should head back to town, then... They definitely won't like it if I keep them waiting... All right! I'm not sure you two would make it on your own, but never fear. The star member of the Hunting Blades will be your escort.    What? You guys both have one, too? O-oh yeah? Well how'dya like this?!  Th-that's 'cause I'm gonna fill it up with piles of monsters after this. Hey, wait! Who said you could just write in there?! It might hurt your "star member" status if it got out that you broke your sword. Oh, that? I had to give myself some kinda handicap, or else it wouldn't have been a fair fight. Yo! Do you guys even know where you're going? Halure's to the north once you get out of the woods. Obtained Monster Book! Karol joined the party! Oh hey, another party member! Karol's the slow, hard-hitting guy of the group, thanks to the pretty big weapons he's using. Karol comes with one arte and a skill:  The arte is Dragon Upper, which throws enemies into the air. The skill is Vitality, a Support skill that raises your Max HP by 200 and costs 2 SP to equip. Decent if you have nothing better to spend points on. The Monster Book he brings with him is a pretty useful tool, as it records the stats, drops and habitats of all enemies we've analyzed using a Magic Lens.  Skit: Even Dogs have Pride I don't understand Repede. He's a dog, with claws and fangs, but he uses weapons...? *Grr... Woof* Yeah, I guess dogs do usually fight with claws and fangs. Huh? But Repede's a dog, isn't he? *Woof woof!* Repede is Repede. ...What does that mean? *Woof woof! WOOF!* Whatever he is, Repede doesn't think of himself as a dog. That's why he uses weapons and items. But that's not to say that he thinks of himself as a human, either. ...I don't really understand... But he seems very proud. *WOOF!* Yep! So show him some respect! ...Hey, Yuri. Are you translating what Repede's saying? Nah, it's just your imagination.As we leave the forest... Watch the cutscene!    That huge tree we can see close by is Halure. Skit: Friends Make the Journey Fun Having friends to talk to really makes traveling a lot more fun! When I'm by myself, I get a little scare-- uh, I mean, bored! Yeah, mm-hmm. Hey, Karol, there's a monster behind you. What?! Oh, my mistake. I must be seeing things. D-don't do that! Our trip just got more lively. 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Was there any way to set a cooking shortcut in Abyss and I missed it? I couldn't seem to cook from the end of battle screen (and frequently I wanted to).
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Jun 17, 2011 02:28
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I'd have to start the game to check but I'm pretty sure there was.
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Admiral H. Curtiss posted:I'd have to start the game to check but I'm pretty sure there was. Well, I am a bit dumb. Anyway Karol reminds me of Lloyd a LOT.
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Speaking of older Tales games, I remember reading somewhere that Karol's thing with an Eggbear is a reference to Tales of Eternia. Any idea if that's true or not? I'm kinda interested in if it is, since I'm pretty sure that never got released in Europe.
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wdarkk posted:Well, I am a bit dumb. Karol even has a Lloyd outfit in the PS3 version. Though like the comparison of Estelle and Collette, Karol is better than Lloyd. Character-wise at least. Combat-wise he's pretty lame.
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Dragonatrix posted:Speaking of older Tales games, I remember reading somewhere that Karol's thing with an Eggbear is a reference to Tales of Eternia. Any idea if that's true or not? I'm kinda interested in if it is, since I'm pretty sure that never got released in Europe. I can't tell you since I don't remember a lot of Eternia (it's kinda bland if you ask me), but there actually was an European release of it on the PSP! Apparently it's pretty hard to find in the UK though. The US didn't get the PSP release, but it's completely identical to the USA PSX version released as "Tales of Destiny II".
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Karol does make a drat fine healer later on though, plus he's so short a lot of enemy attacks go over his head. There are some artes that pick an enemy back up once they've been knocked down, but until you learn them, Wolf Strike isn't very useful.
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Adus posted:Karol even has a Lloyd outfit in the PS3 version. Though like the comparison of Estelle and Collette, Karol is better than Lloyd. Character-wise at least. Combat-wise he's pretty lame. I dunno, Lloyd has a special place in my heart, whereas Karol is pretty eh. Plus I love Lloyd's two swords, he is one of my favorite people to fight as in the series. TWO SWORDS MEANS DOUBLE THE POWER 
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Holy poo poo, it's Emil! We're gonna have a big old Nier-family reunion on our hands if Liam O'Brien and Laura Bailey show up.
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SweaterGear posted:Holy poo poo, it's Emil! Every time I see "Emil" I think of the ToS2 one. I need to change that association so I don't get angry for no reason as often.
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I seriously don't get why I don't enjoy playing as Karol, considering Presea was my go-to in ToS.
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SweaterGear posted:Holy poo poo, it's Emil! I bit the bullet and downloaded this yesterday. And yes, Liam O'Brian's in it. Disappointed he didn't call anyone a hussy though.
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Kaboom Dragoon posted:And yes, Liam O'Brian's in it. In fact, you've already met the character he voices! He voices Cumore, for reference. Endorph posted:I seriously don't get why I don't enjoy playing as Karol, considering Presea was my go-to in ToS. It might have something to do with his arte selection, which is admittedly a little wonky compared to his archetype's standard. Otherwise he controls much the same as Presea, so I couldn't tell you why that's the case.
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Endorph posted:I seriously don't get why I don't enjoy playing as Karol, considering Presea was my go-to in ToS. Emil didn't seem to link his attacks as well as Presea did for me, though I'm prepared to put that down to my going for T-Presea rather than S-Presea, or something like that. Either that or it's the fact that out of the gate you've had two responsive characters and a healer that can stab things - Karol just seems dull in comparison.
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No one in my group wanted to play as Karol in multiplayer. By the time he actually got to the enemies, everyone else killed them off already. He can do lots of damage and pretty good supporting arts, but he's so SLOW. It becomes apparent when you try the 100 (200) man melee in the arena, only to lose because you ran out of time. Still, it's quite funny that the little kid of the group ends up with thousands more HP than everyone else and Reaper Knock is one of the best offensive artes in the game.
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I hope his weapon selection is exclusively half-swords just because I like the image of Yuri and friends picking out a weapon for him and then breaking it in front of the shopkeeper so it's easier for Karol to handle.
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Elite posted:I understand the drive to be a big drat hero, but for a doll Yuri? Seriously? The correct response was "gently caress your stupid doll, kid". Yeah, there's a difference between being a hero and being an idiot, even if most JRPG's think they're the same thing. He just lost some coolness points for that dumb stunt. I have known Karol for about 5 seconds and already I hope he gets eaten by the end up the update.  Nah, it's just your imagination. Hmmm...
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yrF posted:Karol does make a drat fine healer later on though, plus he's so short a lot of enemy attacks go over his head. A great many things go over Karol's head!  Is it just me, or is 'Karol Capel' an extremely Eastern European sounding name?
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Lord Ephraim posted:No one in my group wanted to play as Karol in multiplayer. By the time he actually got to the enemies, everyone else killed them off already. He can do lots of damage and pretty good supporting arts, but he's so SLOW. It becomes apparent when you try the 100 (200) man melee in the arena, only to lose because you ran out of time.
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Lord Ephraim posted:No one in my group wanted to play as Karol in multiplayer. By the time he actually got to the enemies, everyone else killed them off already. He can do lots of damage and pretty good supporting arts, but he's so SLOW. I actually had a Karol in my multiplayer party, and he's was really good. I mean, yeah, he wasn't the most useful in random encounters, but during bosses he'd rip them apart while keeping himself healed no problem. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I have known Karol for about 5 seconds and already I hope he gets eaten by the end up the update. Aww, come on, he's a cool guy. Though I guess that's not too apparent from how little we've seen of him so far.
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I never really liked Karol at all (From a gameplay standard. I liked him as a character.) He's so drat slow. Especially in comparison to Repede and Yuri. I kicked him out of my party and never let him back in really.
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Karol goes from annoying twat, to less annoying twat, to decent character. I start liking him when Yuri stops calling him Cap'n Karol to humor him, and tells him to earn it. I still use that name for him.
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