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brotha from anatha posted:have a guess. anyway, the sources on your report are bullshit. do you have anything not produced by the US state department? There are buckets of mainstream US news outlets with information about the Uighur genocide including eye-witness testimony from many Uighur people who have escaped plus other sources, not just the Zenz fellow. Axios even published a short bullet-points article specifically addressing Grayzone coverage of the genocide: https://www.axios.com/grayzone-max-blumenthal-china-xinjiang-d95789af-263c-4049-ba66-5baedd087df4.html Axios mentions that Chinese government outlets are increasingly amplifying Grayzone, including having the Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal give interviews on Chinese state TV. Blumenthal's response to Axios was as follows: Max Blumenthal, Grayzone Editor posted:Since The Grayzone — an independent outlet which, contrary to your McCarthyite insinuations, is not funded by any state — repeatedly exposed Washington's favorite Xinjiang expert Adrian Zenz not merely as a fraud, but as an anti-gay, far-right evangelical thirsting for the Rapture, Cold War ideologues like yourself who have relied on his dubious research have waged a desperate campaign to suppress our factual journalism. I did watch this linked video and I'll try to briefly give a bullet-points summary adoration for none posted:gently caress Grayzone -There is a tendency for some online leftists to take the opposite of whatever the US gov't/mainstream media positions are on something and trying to justify them. US bad, therefore the opposite is good. -Youtuber is a socialist and opposes the US. Just because you oppose the US does not mean that state capitalist authoritarian hellstate China or far-right theocracy Iran are Good, Actually. -"Contrarian fanatic" viewpoint: US-aligned is bad, US-opposed is good. Grayzone is probably the most prominent expression of this. It's not even all that leftist, China doesn't even provide its citizens universal healthcare! -This viewpoint results in them being staunch, uncritical supporters of a "sextuplet" of nations: Russia, China, Venezuela, North Korea, Syria, Iran. -Grayzone has been very pro-Assad in Syria, pro-Iran following Suleimani's execution by the US, denies "Russiagate," and is engaged in denying and minimizing the Uighur genocide in China. -There is plenty of evidence of the Uighur genocide including video of prisoners and many dozens of eyewitness accounts from refugees. -Grayzone specifically targets people in wealthy nations with their messaging. Example: showing Blumenthal in Venezuela where wow! the bread is being sold at "solidarity" below-market prices of less than $1 for a large loaf that's very affordable and there aren't any food shortages! The MONTHLY minimum wage in Venezuela is $16 so no, that is not affordable. tl;dr of the video is that Grayzone is a "contrarian fanatic" outlet that views the US as always bad and anything opposed to the US as always good. This means they uncritically support brutal authoritarian regimes like Syria, Iran, and China simply because those regimes oppose the US. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Apr 6, 2021 |
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fart simpson posted:i don't understand the point of this article. it just boils down to saying that max blumenthal and the gray zone are saying things contrary to the dominant american media narrative. is the gray zone wrong about any of it, or are we just supposed to discount it because their reporting isn't in line with most other western reporting? The Axios article also talks about how Blumenthal is making appearances on Russian and Chinese state television and they are signal-boosting Grayzone articles. Certainly that doesn't prove anything other than that Russia and China like Grayzone's work and want to amplify it. How would you make the opposite argument? Instead of the negative argument of why I shouldn't reject it, why should I trust Grayzone and assign it credibility? "We're just asking questions" does not seem very convincing to me. edit: fart simpson posted:the gray zone doesn't spend much time talking about stuff like that not because they're uncritical but because their objective and mission is to report on american empire. they're not a general news organization. okay so if their focus is on American empire, why do they have credibility on the Uighur situation in China?
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brotha from anatha posted:anyway, i like grayzone because they publish sourced articles about stuff i dont get to even read about in my own language media. and because they are not compulsive liars like most of media That's not really a positive case for Grayzone though? This is kind of a circular argument, it's the same thing you were saying yesterday - all other media is bullshit. That you like Grayzone and have decided all other media are liars doesn't seem like a compelling case for why other posters should find them credible 
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Venomous posted:new Re-Education just dropped on the events in Xinjiang could you give a tl;dr please? especially if it's something you think is going to piss most of the thread off... After that Bad Empanada video on Grayzone I summarized, youtube took me to an hour and twenty or so video of his take on the Uighur situation which I found informative. Interestingly, Bad Empanada uses mostly the Chinese gov'ts own official releases and information plus some of the eyewitness testimony and doesn't reference any US outlets at all. Honestly I'm not keen on watching the Re-Education video you linked simply because glancing the sources they cite it's an awful lot of other youtube videos and wikipedia links (plus a few news outlets, yes). I could do a quick bullet point run-down of the Bad Empanada analysis but that would take a couple hours I don't have right now. edit: oh! One of the interesting things that Empanada pointed out was that while Adrian Zenz himself is not a very reliable source, he employed a bunch of Mandarin-speaking assistants (interns?) to comb through tons of local-level Chinese gov't documents which is actually incredibly useful for understanding the situation.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I mean we're completely fine with having migrants in border camps. We ran out own "indian reeducation" as did commonwealth nations by abducting native kids and sending them to "boarding schools". cool whataboutism, how is it relevant to discussion of the situation for Uighurs in China other than to point out that the US has also done similarly bad things (a fact which no one is denying)?
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Fojar38 posted:As you've pointed out, there is a very large amount of evidence corroborating the Chinese governments ongoing genocide of the Uigher peoples that has nothing to do with Adrian Zenz. The only reason he ever comes up nowadays is when tankies want to deny the genocide as his other (and irrelevant) beliefs are what they've chosen to latch onto to undermine the evidence. At this point seeing anyone go "but Adrian Zenz" should be a red flag in the same sense that bringing up George Soros out of the blue is. Yeah, Zenz may be a wacky evangelical Christian but that doesn't really have any bearing on the fact that almost all of his work is drawing from official Chinese government documents. And is corroborated by other sources including lots of eyewitness testimony.
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Cookie Cutter posted:I've bolded the parts I find important - it seems we are in agreement that both sides are as bad as the other. However, what's happening in the US is not being labelled a genocide, but this word IS being used to describe what's happening in China by US media and intelligence services, the state department, Pompeo and the rest of the consent manufacturing machine. There's an enforced double standard at play in how we talk about this stuff that ultimately favours the US and its interests. If we were using the term to also describe the migrant crises in Europe and the USA's activities on its border or how it treats its own minority population I'd have no issue with it. Pompeo has been out of office for going on five months? You're doing whataboutism. Even if we agree that the US, China and the EU are equally bad, that doesn't somehow excuse the human rights abuses (put charitably) China is committing against Uighurs. It is possible that the US and China are both doing bad things! What you are doing is deflecting criticism of China by not discussing what is actually happening in Xinjiang and instead bringing up completely unrelated bad poo poo in the US and EU. Cookie Cutter posted:As for those dismissing census data out of hand as potentially fabricated, I'd be interested to see what qualifies as data you trust and how you make these decisions - if you're picking one set of figures over the other based on these kinds of loose assumptions that's fine, but ultimately isn't that a choice based on pure ideology and whose propaganda you find more convincing? There's a whole media literacy thread stickied where your notion of everything being "a choice based on pure ideology and whose propaganda you find more convincing" is addressed directly several times: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3966282 You're also deflecting on the census data. Should we trust census numbers from an authoritarian government actively denying reports (and hundreds of eyewitness testimonies) of human rights abuses? Well golly I dunno, what kind of data do you trust? Who can even know what's truth and what's fiction, it's all just propaganda. Conveniently, this media solipsism sidesteps any discussion of facts.
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Why on Earth would the United States and China have any interest in actual military conflict with each other? They are each others' largest trading partners. The Chinese economy is reliant on US consumption of its goods and the US is reliant on Chinese manufacturing. Saber rattling is just that; politicians and wealthy corporate interests in both nations have zero appetite for open conflict and a strong incentive to push for free trade and at least luke-warm relations. It's also worth noting that Taiwan has much of the world's computer chip manufacturing. An invasion of Taiwan would similarly cause massive economic disruption. If the US and China got into real military conflict it would be ruinous to the economies of both nations. Ain't gonna happen.
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Sedisp posted:I mean ignore war then. When people say something should be done about China there is no other power that could possibly do a thing about China that isn't the US. You can say we should trade embargo them or whatever other relatively non violent solution to X y or z about something lovely China is doing but the enforcer or creator of that solution will be the United States and without exception any horrible thing China is doing is being done by or being ignored by the US when it benefits US interests. Realistically I think the US-China relationship will continue to be one of uneasy detente. Their economies are too reliant on each other. There will be a bunch of 4th-dimensional chess and dickwaving but ultimately China is the big manufacturer and the US is the big consumer so they're going to play nice-ish. One thing I do have a lot of exposure to and knowledge of is the history of Indian boarding school and adoption/foster systems in the US. I don't want to derail into that other than yep it's pretty similar to what's going on in Xinjiang. edit: the interconnectedness of the Chinese and American economies is a major difference between now and the USSR and US in the Cold War. There was very little trading between the US and USSR. It is a very different scenario with China today. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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Android Blues posted:Israel does the same thing with the Bedouin; driven from their home en masse in 1948, remanded to "concentration zones" subsequently, and ever since subjected to draconian legislation on how they're allowed to live and where they're allowed to build, the state still peppers the government townships with tourist experiences celebrating "traditional Bedouin culture" where Bedouin entertainers play music and dance and tell stories inside a big rustic tent. Or you can go on a camel trek with real Bedouin guides! This is funded by the government so that tourists can roll on by and say, ah, they're keeping the Bedouin culture alive, how nice. I wasn't familiar with the history of treatment of Bedouins in Israel. That and the treatment of Uighurs share a lot of similarities to what the United States and Canada did (and are doing) to indigenous Americans- put them into "concentration zones" (reservations), restrict practice of traditional culture and religion, boarding schools to assimilate and "educate" etc. Of course in the US and Canada there was actual physical genocide and mass killings, but the policies for the last ~150 years have been "cultural" genocide by many similar actions as you describe in Israel and what is happening in Xinjiang. I don't necessarily want to drag the China thread into discussion of US/Canadian treatment of indigenous peoples, but I have a lot of familiarity with the latter and it's strikingly similar.
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SlothfulCobra posted:That's intentionally destroying the culture even if it leaves the people alive, which is called a soft genocide, which is still a genocide. Forced assimilation was the explicit policy toward indigenous Americans for much of the 19th and especially 20th centuries. I don't think you'll find anyone here willing to argue that Indian boarding schools weren't at least a cultural genocide where language and culture were aggressively stamped out, resulting in generational trauma that deeply affects life today. The (likely tens of) thousands of unmarked graves of children who died in those boarding schools? Physical extermination was not the policy, but it turns out when you don't really care about the wellbeing or survival of an ethnic identity and culture you also don't put a lot of effort into the physical health of those people. This is all to say we shouldn't minimize "forced assimilation" or "boarding schools" etc as being not-genocide. That poo poo happened here in the US and to some extent continues today. I interact with victims of those boarding schools on an almost daily basis. Have a skim through the Wikipedia on Termination-era policy toward indigenous peoples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_termination_policy Does that qualify as a government policy of cultural genocide? I feel like some posters are bending themselves into knots to "well, actually" China's treatment of Uighurs as not a (cultural) genocide. It's the same poo poo perpetrated on indigenous peoples in the US and playing games with the definitions of words doesn't make it less bad. They are both bad. They are both forms of colonialism and empire as they involve the deliberate control and persecution of an ethnic/religious minority to conform to the dominant culture. Anyway, I could go on at length about the history of indigenous Americans and the shifting policy regime eras in the US, but I won't. Cuz this is actually the China thread, not the "US also has done despicable poo poo" thread.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Sometimes celebrities don't want to talk about their break ups. It's certainly possible that there was some shady business going down, but at this point we don't even have clear accusations. Instead, we should believe women when they say nothing is wrong. lol good grief If it's not a legitimate rape allegation, state media has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
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Josef bugman posted:Any none white ones? Because from my reading a few years ago most of the none white ones had to involve at least the threat of violence behind less directly violent movements. This is the China thread. Please talk about issues related to China and avoid getting too far afield into tangentially related British Empire stuff. edit: this is not just directed at your post specifically, but the other recent posts itt spinning off into British colonial empire chat. Please make sure you keep discussion relevant to China. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jan 9, 2022 |
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Why target only the spike protein when you could train the immune system to target the whole thing with a live attenuated virus? Cpt_Obvious posted:Vaccine efficacy are very similar. Also, they won't have to license the patent on mRNA vaccines which could rapidly spiral costs out of control when you have to vaccinate a billion and a half people. The Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines are not live attenuated, they are inactivated vaccines. mRNA and viral vector vaccines work differently than inactivated vaccines as they cause viral proteins to be synthesized inside the cell, producing a different immune response. This is kind of veering into a tangential topic though.
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lollontee posted:usually when it comes to things like vaccines, you use the stocks you have before you order new. also, when it comes to "efficacy" of different vaccine types, mRNA and RNA/weakened virus, they all provide the same protection, just for different lengths of time. now it is true that the new mRNA provides a longer period of protection, but the type of protection is the same: enhanced antibody production rates, declining over time. The second part of your post here is not accurate, mRNA vaccines are going to elicit a substantively different response and immunity is far more complex than just antibody production. It's very likely the reason China went with inactivated vaccines is because it's tried-and-true technology and the vaccine doses don't require deep-cold storage. Back in 2020 during the initial race to develop vaccines, the mRNA technology was untested required specialized deep-cold storage (the cold storage requirements have been eased some since). China made the very reasonable decision to go with the known, reliable, easily distributed inactivated vaccine. Anyway this is kind of getting into the weeds on vaccine technologies and I don't know that it adds much to discussion about China. So I won't derail further. edit: if you give me a min I'll find a link that discusses the difference better than I might be explaining here Pfizer's link explaining the differences is broken. This isn't a bad one https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/different-types-of-covid-19-vaccines/art-20506465 Actually, maybe this is an easier way to put it: we have evidence that mixing and matching vaccines gives you better immunity. Vaccines elicit slightly different immune responses, so you get better immunity by getting a different booster than your main course, generally, because they work a little differently. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 11, 2022 |
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Judakel posted:The vast majority of people who post here either live in America or a country that benefits from American hegemony. That's not necessarily true. It's also impossible to gauge how many lurkers read this thread and where they live, but there are a good number of people who read D&D while rarely if ever posting here. If true, it still wouldn't be a justification to make the China thread significantly about America.
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I'll just pop in to say I personally think it's more productive to talk about specifics (as MikeC does above, for example) rather than just invoking broad labels like "authoritarian" and "liberal" etc. It's not that those labels don't have value, but addressing specifics imo makes for a better, more informed and informative discussion. So rather than attributing China's successes in combating the COVID pandemic to being "authoritarian" or failures of many nations due to being "liberal," what specific aspects of their government structures, resources, politics, geography etc contribute to their successes and failures? This isn't a moderation edict or anything, I'm not terribly knowledgeable on China, just my 2c following along with the conversation.
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MikeC posted:This is straight from D&D rules. My understanding was that D&D was for "serious" talk while if you want to poo poo post you always have CSPAM. If that isn't the case, imma start poo poo posting too. This also isn't the first time you have engaged and effectively allowed bad faith discussion. Your post here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532&userid=167573#post520818729 green lit a 5+ page derail on "what is authoritarianism" with every drive-by poster coming in and defining anything and everything as authoritarian to say every government is authoritarian before another mod had to come in and probate multiple people - some for a day - before the shitshow stopped. fwiw I don't think discussing the definition of authoritarianism was a troll, it did produce some good discussion and great posts, three of which I grabbed as good examples though there's probably more I'd highlight given time to review: your own MikeC post here - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532&pagenumber=657#post520839082 Smeef - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=658#post520845727 and I thought this one was a really interesting approach that didn't invoke "authoritarianism" but basically describes it in the specific Chinese context as a set of "tradeoffs" - Beefeater1980 - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3466532&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=658#post520852203 Also, Koos Group has said there will be a feedback thread this weekend, so then would be a good time to bring up your concerns. Or you could PM Koos directly. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 07:27 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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Reminder that this is the China thread, please make sure your discussion of censorship and related issues is centered around China. This does not mean you can't use other nations for comparison and contrast, but don't leave China out of the discussion or it's not really on-topic. edit: lmao just as I posted this, I see user "a big flaming stink" giving feedback for me to chill on asking threads to stay on topic. So I'll clarify. The last page or so is about half related to either US corporate structure or Palahnuik novels and film adaptations. It's not completely off-topic, but it's straying a bit from the core topic of this thread. A common complaint I've seen is that this thread often wanders away from China discussion, especially into talking about the United States. If you can read your post by itself and not know it was from the China thread, you might be straying a bit off course. Note that I'm not threatening probations or w/e for going off-topic. This is just a reminder. Please make sure your posting itt is relevant to China. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Jan 29, 2022 |
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Discendo Vox posted:It's a really basic trolling tactic that gives the abuser control of the thread. A non-sequitur comparison to something out of scope, coupled with misrepresentations (usually obvious ones) that shift blame and the scope of discussion to the other entity (usually the US). Because other people don't want to let the misrepresentation stand, they wind up shifting to address the misrepresentation. In this way, the abuser's lies control the scope of the thread. This is being discussed in the feedback thread and your post here might be better suited there. If you believe a specific poster is doing what you describe itt, please report it. As mentioned in the feedback thread the lower volume of reports and larger, more active modding staff means that reports are being reviewed closely and by multiple mods.
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A big flaming stink posted:Can I object to the absolutely loving disgusting normalization of "abuser" to describe people that disagree with you online? Seriously that sort of description is spitting in the face of anyone that suffered from actual abuse I'd put it in the feedback thread and/or PM Koos Group, that way we have it "on the record." The mod team will be reviewing feedback and we can consider how to handle it. Might fall under loaded language or non-standard definitions.
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Mirello posted:lol, can I put this post in a museum? all the anti china posters itt, this is who you agree with. seriously, you guys make yourselves look totally ridiculous. This is posting about posters and there is not a hive-mind of anti China posters itt who all agree with MikeC, this post is better suited to the ongoing discussion in the Feedback thread.
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Despera posted:I do love the "screen shots of uigyer genocide or it didnt happen" defense. Are you referring to the discussion about social credit? If so it's not really necessary and kinda unhelpful to invoke the Uighurs. I don't recall anyone making a claim like that about the Uighurs.
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Smeef posted:The lack of direct experience from goons is more a reminder that we have no mainland Chinese posters here (to my knowledge) There are some that post itt and it's impossible to know how many lurkers are on the mainland.
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Despera posted:Im just suprised the burden of proof for (corrrect) allegations is soo high. Harvest your organs, ok keep a file on you, woah no way. You are not obligated to meet Cpt_Obvious or anyone's burden of proof. Your last several posts have made strong claims about China and other posters (making journalism a crime, "screenshots of Uighur genocide or it didn't happen" as an argument, organ harvesting). You may argue any position you like in D&D, but are expected to provide some evidence or reasoning, please make an attempt to do so in the future.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:So, GlassEye-Boy, can you tell us what you know about this social credit system we've heard so much about? It would be more productive for thread discussion if you would either engage with responses to your posts or offer your own positive arguments and information regarding social credit systems in China, rather than simply asking for proof from others. That said, GlassEye-Boy and others are of course welcome to share whatever they care to.
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Atopian posted:I suspect I'm going to regret posting, but: I do hope this is not your last D&D post because it is very informative and offers a lot of good, specific details. Thank you. D&D 2022 under Koos Group is working to moderate not on position or ideology, but on quality of argument. So this sort of detailed insight is appreciated, as are contributions from other mainland China posters who have similar or very different experiences and perspectives.
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Somaen posted:It's because it's not actually a translator, it's a higher up in the party structures with her, what is also known as a "handler" whose function is to make sure she doesn't run away, talk to anyone she isn't supposed to or say too much, similar to what is known as a "hostage" Cpt_Obvious is currently threadbanned and not allowed to respond to your post here. It might be helpful if you expanded on reasoning and suport for your quoted post above.
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Centrist Committee posted:Is it useful to compare the Chinese system to other places in the world, or does that stray too close to whataboutism? See here the way Koos would like whataboutism to be moderated: Koos Group posted:Since China thread moderation has been the most contentious issue in this round of feedback, I suppose I should address how I plan to go forward with it before the thread closes later today. In general, if someone posts something you believe is whataboutism please report it and the mod team will discuss it and make sure we're applying the above. In this specific case, I believe whataboutism would be someone saying "standardized testing in China is harmful" and another poster replying "well it's just as bad in Country X" as if it negates the situation in China.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Not like Western journalism has any credibility on #MeToo after they universally turned to execute it anyway. You are of course welcome to make direct comparisons between Peng Shuai and similar situations in Western/US media. I kindly ask that your posts include a direct connection to Chinese politics and are not simply about US/Western nations.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Okay? The actual woman feels that she was coerced but not assaulted. Maybe her stupid simple brain needs someone to explain there is no differance and she's wrong, but she hasn't ever recanted or changed her story, just reiterated that she feels the distinction that he did not physically attack her is important and she doesn't like when people say he did. Owlofcreamcheese posted:She's the one it happened to. If she wants to tell the story on her terms it feels like outrage at her not phrasing it sufficiently enlightened should be basically the last possible concern with things. She has repeatedly said she was not assaulted. However bad and wrong that makes her, it feels like a very bad look for everyone to go after the victim like a single weird quirk in how she likes her own story talked about to be treated like blood in the water to instantly switch the story to some weird doubt on her. Like she's changing her story or being unreliable. Owlofcreamcheese posted:It's like if some African American woman was talking about being shot by a police officer and called herself "colored", it's the wrong language and is seen as an offensive way to talk about it but literally it's so far from the point, she's talking about her own self. Being angry a rape victim is making a non-modern distinction for assault vs coercion is crazy. You are using an awful lot of loaded language on a difficult subject and I'm not sure I see anyone here making the arguments you're describing. Who here is going after her, saying she has a "stupid simple brain [needing] someone to explain," that she's bad and wrong or lying, needs therapy, etc?
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ronya posted:e: nah this was a really good, informative post and I'm a bit bummed you edited it but I'll respect your reasons for doing so
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killer_robot posted:Yeah. Wonderful places. Huge complexes built up, then instantly abandoned because a huge cash donation fell into Central Planning's lap from other sources so the govt sponsored development that was supposed to happen there happened on the other side of town instead. Which leaves us with once promising, nearly completed, major housing projects turned into entire square miles of unwired, unplumbed, un window glassed empty husks that nobody can, or will, live in. But they're still a good (only available) investment because nobody's going to make a /building/ disappear for months on end and dismantle it brick by brick under 'corruption' allegations (or rape! But #metoo is soooo 2018 so who cares about that anymore?) And we all /know/ housing bubbles only go 'up', especially when you need 2 or 3 empty apartments in your portfolio to even attract a wife with your unbalanced demographics. You may make any argument you like in D&D provided you are willing to support it with reasoning and some degree of evidence if asked. You should not attack other posters personally, but instead engage with their arguments. Posts should be informative, interesting, or funny. They should not repeat tired or disproven arguments.
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iirc the Sinovac/Sinopharm inactivated vaccines got a lot of bad publicity when they were found to not have great protection from infection at a similar time the mRNA vaccines offered pretty good sterilizing immunity. So the Chinese gov't did a mea culpa. Then it turned out the sterilizing immunity from two shots of mRNA waned pretty quickly and welp, Sinopharm/Sinovac aren't garbage after all, they still provided protection against severe disease. I have absolutely no idea how good Sinovac/Sinopharm vaccines are against Delta and Omicron. I'm guessing pretty poor at preventing infection and decent to quite good at preventing serious illness. tbh Western news media seems to have largely forgotten about the Chinese vaccines, I'd certainly be interested to hear updates on them.
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I'm not sure that holding a Racism Olympics about whether China or Western nations are more racist is very productive. "Black people are racist like this" is also going down a bad path and hardly relevant to China.
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Despera posted:I mean if you live in europe its harder to believe "x does y" when you can travel to whatever country in an hour without a passport. No more broad, unsourced claims or anecdotes on racism in China. I don't think it's a very productive topic for discussion but if posters are going to continue they need to provide actual official government policy, statements, statistics and not just hand-waving and anecdotal stories.
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Apr 22, 2022 22:38
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Despera posted:https://www.indiablooms.com/world-details/SA/25341/chinese-govt-sponsors-rape-of-uyghur-women-through-forced-marriage-allege-activists.html I'm not your target audience here, I'm not engaging in the discussion, just moderating. A basic D&D rule is to provide evidence for claims. Anecdotes and broad generalizations are not good evidence. MarcusSA posted:Official Government policy on racism? Despera has made several posts about Chinese gov't policies and racism/ethnonationalism, yes.
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Apr 22, 2022 22:49
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post about China and not other posters thanks
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