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Dragonatrix posted:Let's be real, the entire Honeybee Inn's totally getting cut tho. Can't have the topless staff, the weird voyeurism stuff or thread favourite gay sex session with Freddie Mercury and co. because modern FF7 is a no-fun zone. I hope they keep that stuff in. FF7 is such a bonkers game that leaving out all of that weird stuff would just fundamentally change it. Maybe a remake should fundamentally change the game though.
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Another thing I hope they keep in (And maybe clean up slightly) is Cloud randomly babbling on about Xenogears. EDIT: Also that game could arguably use a remake more than FF7.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:19
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TravelLog posted:All I know is that this is one step closer to the FFIX remake I so desperately desire. I love FFIX to death and have since I was a child, but for me it's one of those games that I can't imagine without the PSX's limitations. MonsieurChoc posted:Have Grahf show up as a bonus boss, yelling incoherently about THE POWER. Yesssss. This is something I need in my life.
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Jun 16, 2015 04:26
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Cubey posted:Them changing Cloud is the thing I'm most afraid of. They need to keep him the goofy rear end in a top hat he was originally, not the mopey emo that fans misremember him as. Has anyone ever figured out why this happened, exactly? Like obviously KH1 and the Compilation of FFVII had a lot to do with it, but even before those really blew up I seem to recall people still thinking of Cloud as some emo guy. It's like he merged with Squall in people's minds at some point.
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Jun 16, 2015 05:10
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Aeris is replaced by Tifa. Oh wait.
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Jun 16, 2015 05:18
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Awesome Welles posted:I beat FF7 again late last year and I was really surprised how well it has held up despite looking like dogshit FF7's score did a pretty great job at setting the mood and tone throughout the game. Just compare that to later games where the score very often doesn't reflect what is actually happening in the narrative. FF12 has you running around the world, rushing to stop an ambitious mass murderer from obtaining massive political power and committing various genocides, and the game is set mostly to...ambient background music, meant to facilitate grinding. FF13 had characters on the run from an oppressive government that kills its own citizens, and as you're escaping them you hear cheery high tempo music etc.
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Jun 16, 2015 19:16
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:That's all true in 7 as well though. I don't think so. It's been many years since I've played the game, but I don't recall tracks like this playing when Mako reactors were being bombed or any of the other more dramatic parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjJvyi23xeU In FF13 this plays while Vanille and Sazh are running away from the game's equivalents to Nazis. That isn't to say the track itself is poor, but the usage of it certainly is. Raxivace fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 16, 2015 |
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Jun 16, 2015 19:31
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Hellioning posted:It's also playing in a lush, tropical forested/coast area. It doesn't have to be constant tense chase music (And shouldn't be), but the music should match the tone of what the story itself is going for at the moment.
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Jun 16, 2015 20:57
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:But in 7 you're chasing down a murderous psychopath for like 25 hours and there's tons of goofy music because you do goofy stuff in between. Separate issue. They play the goofier music during goofy scenes, not while Cloud is trying to find Aerith right before she's killed or Barret is on the way to kill Dyne or Mako Reactors are being bombed or any of the other more serious parts of the story. Whether those goofy scenes should exist or not is different debate. Personally I think it works because FF7 doesn't take itself so seriously the entire time, and they don't stress an absurd time limit on the party needing to accomplish their goals until Meteor is summoned IIRC. At that point, yeah, being able to chill out at the Gold Saucer doesn't make complete sense. In comparison, that segment of FF13 starts with Sazh and Vanille noticing the army is in the same area, state that they need to get away, then Vanille monologues about Sazh acting like she doesn't exist sometimes or something, and then we get a peppy song about rainbows in a bright jungle location as we engage in general gameplay that's disconnected from what sets this entire segment up.
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Jun 16, 2015 21:23
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Flip Yr Wig posted:And that tonal inconsistency can only really work (insofar as it does work) in a game with abstracted graphics and text-based dialog. Even if the remake doesn't get Nomura'd to all hell and manages to strike a consistent, yet non-pandering tone, it won't be able to have half the charm of the original. This isn't even a criticism of Square's writing and direction; it's the basic arithmetic of telling a story with highly representational assets. "Abstraction" is a really good word to use. They got pretty creative with those PSX limitations...reminds me a lot of how silent films worked. The quality of the remake really depends on how faithful of adaptation of FF7 Square will be going for. If they're just going for literally the same story told in a very similar way, I really doubt the remake will be worth more than a curiosity. But if they risk the ire of the fans and try something radical, then we could potentially get something unique and cool even if it ends up being totally different from the original game.
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Jun 16, 2015 22:19
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zedprime posted:If its any less than a line by line recreation of the original scenario specs it will be a squandered opportunity. I want a blacksploitation transplant with a gun arm yelling at Cloud that the planet is dying. I want to have a squat off with a cross dressing gym trainer. I want Hojo having no idea what science actually entails and thinking "cat + girl = breeding program and you better bet I'm going to watch!" And then chilling on the beach with all the chicks. I want to go to a hippie cooperative why my cat buddy grew up where a weird grandpa on a flying orb invites me into his planetarium to lay down the science on how the planet is going to die. I want the cheesecake catfight between Tifa and that Shinra lady on a giant cannon. The presentation of those will be way different though because they aren't made with a 90's mentality on 90's hardware. Games and game-making are very different now.
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Jun 17, 2015 00:34
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Nasgate posted:Kung fury was neither made in the 80s or with 80s technology. Your logic is pretty flawed. Especially since the the goofy poo poo in ff7 is still done in games/movies/tv today. Kung Fury doesn't resemble the kinds of movies actually made in the 1980's except on a very superficial level.
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Jun 17, 2015 00:52
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Gammatron 64 posted:Kung Fury had like, maybe 1-2 funny bits. The rest of it was "lol that's so 80s amirite?!" It's very reminiscent of referential Family Guy style humor.
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Jun 17, 2015 01:21
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NikkolasKing posted:This is an utterly trivial note but I was talking about the remake elsewhere and I am hoping they include Gilgamesh and an optional boss fight with him. It's kinda become an FF staple at this point so why not? Gold Saucer would be the most obvious, though they could be funny and have him pop up at Aerith's church or something.
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Jun 17, 2015 06:13
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FF13's gameplay is decent once it opens up, but it has some of the most hilariously nonsensical storytelling I have ever seen in a AAA game. FF13-2 is easier overall, but has a more open combat system from the beginning, and marginally better storytelling in that the characters actually have somewhat clear objectives. Never bothered with Lightning Returns.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:10
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:FFXIII style move around the battlefield kind of thing. Was there ever a way to actually influence how characters moved in that game? It just seemed kind of dumb to me to have AoE attacks in a game where you can't control where your own character moves to, but maybe I missed something.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:24
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I mostly was concerned with AoE attacks being used against you though. It just would seem a little silly to me to take damage suddenly because Lightning just had to walk into an attack for no reason.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:28
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DaveWoo posted:More nonsensical than FFVIII? Wow, that's saying something. FF8 didn't have the main villain's goal be a suicide by cop that would destroy the universe, with the party gleefully trying to kill the the villain while just hoping really hard it wouldn't end all of existence. Zell didn't randomly turn into a Hot Dog God either after betraying everyone either.
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Jun 17, 2015 17:34
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Fister Roboto posted:The plot of FF13 is what happened when Motomu Toriyama watched the TV show Lost and said "I'm going to make a Final Fantasy game like this". Pretty much, though I actually liked the flashback structure in FF13.
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NikkolasKing posted:The Empire in FFXII? Pretty sure Star Wars characters count as otherworldly.
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Jun 20, 2015 00:59
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Schwartzcough posted:That site also has a bunch of other FFT mods, some of them pretty out there (Let's have Cloud Strife, Link from LoZ, Solid Snake, and Dante from DMC join forces in Ivalice!). That sounds like extremely my thing. I haven't played vanilla FFT yet though- should I go through that first?
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Jun 25, 2015 18:14
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Tidus is an Aeon, which is why you can rename him.
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Jun 26, 2015 20:48
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Paperhouse posted:I played this recently and the scene is funny because it reveals that Marlene is 4 years old, and earlier in the game Tifa asks Marlene to take over at the bar while she does secret terrorist stuff FF7Remake should have Shinra propaganda that attempts to discredit Avalanche using this information. "Not only are they literal terrorists, they expose young children to alcohol! Those fiends!"
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Jun 28, 2015 22:26
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MrAptronym posted:Though I think I am alone in not really liking Xenoblade much. Its good, I just wasn't blown away or anything. Eh, you're not alone. I couldn't even finish finish Xenoblade before getting bored and just putting it away forever.
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MarsDragon posted:So I'm replaying FFT and something occurs to me. The only lies I won't believe are Endore's.  e;fb
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Oct 27, 2015 22:08
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Sorry if I'm opening a dumb can of worms here, but is there any reason to play War of the Lions over the PSX version of Tactics?
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Oct 29, 2015 00:26
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Well I don't have any special attachment to Balthier as a character and didn't really like FF12's localization style (Though I don't like that game's story much to begin with), but how much better of a translation is WotL? Like are major plot points in the PSX version practically erased like in the original FF7 translation? I already happened to have a copy of the PSX version lying around, but is WotL so much better that I'm better off just getting the game again?
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Oct 29, 2015 04:48
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Lessail posted:Guys R=U is stupid!!!! Actually it owns even though the text of FF8 itself ultimately doesn't support the reading.
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Oct 29, 2015 22:59
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cheetah7071 posted:As someone 15 years late to the debate, care to explain why? I assume it's well-trodden ground so I won't argue in response, I'm just sort of curious what in the text doesn't support it. I'm not super familiar with FF8 after having not played it for a few years, but the main problem is that there doesn't actually seem to be any very strong evidence to support the idea. People mention the Griever GF for example, but the game already has an explanation for it being drawn out of Squall's mind. Also, how would Rinoa have even survived into the future?
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Oct 30, 2015 01:10
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modestmusashi posted:I just downloaded FFVII in under 4 minutes and linked my Facebook account to Square Enix in order to play O.o Cloud now spends first half of FF7 thinking your Facebook account is actually his own.
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Oct 30, 2015 04:02
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Madmarker posted:I know you said that as a throwaway line, but that would actually be a cool idea for a game protagonist. The hero being conflicted about whether he is you (the player), and "remembers" stuff from your social media accounts that are linked to the game. I think a cool plot could be built around that conceit. Hmm, I could see that as a natural evolution of what someone like Kojima has been doing recently. Might be cool.
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Oct 30, 2015 04:47
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The names of all of the enemies you mow down through the game are pulled from your friend's list.
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Oct 30, 2015 04:59
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FF9's backstory being a hosed up version of Dragon Ball Z seemed a little out there to me as a kid.
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Nov 3, 2015 04:45
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Mog from FF13-2 owned and should get his own spinoff.
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Nov 6, 2015 01:24
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Cloud can finally face Donkey Kong in a 1v1 as he was always meant to.
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Nov 13, 2015 05:41
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Tifa owns so let's not diss her please, thanks.
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I think I knew FF6 lost me when the opera scene happened and it did absolutely nothing for me. I really don't understand these people that it made cry or whatever. Still need to go back and finish FF6 some day but I don't really understand the appeal of the game. The Grimace posted:Oh god, I forgot about those clock puzzles. Those are poo poo. I remember there being a calculator on the internet for those. I didn't mind most of them, but some were certainly bullshit.
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I get that (At least for the parts with the octopus), but I guess I just don't find it funny either. Not saying FF6 is a terrible game or anything, but whatever it's vibe is I could never quite seem to get on it.
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Fister Roboto posted:That's usually not the scene people are talking about. There's a scene later on that mirrors the opera which is pretty sad, or hilarious depending on your translation. Ah, really? Shows what I know for talking about a game before finishing it then.
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