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Dec 10, 2011

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Mr. Squishy posted:

Private Eye must be pretty pleased to be the only press which is possibly prejudicial.

Not to mention honest.

I wonder where my new Eye has got to? My last copy was the Press Regulation Special.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Quote-Unquote posted:

The Daily Mail Online is thinly-veiled child pornography marketed towards Nazis.
If you read it you are literally a Nazi paedophile.

We go over this regularly in the UK Megathread. Mail Online routinely runs articles lauding crackdowns on kiddy porn and paedos at the BBC while their sidebar is full of photos of teenage celebrities with headlines such as "Chloe Moretz looks all grown up". And yes, they do mostly say "all grown up".

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Dec 10, 2011

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Plavski posted:

A chapter? drat BM, you're going up in the world! When you're calling Piers Morgan a bastard on Have I Got News For You, don't forget us little people.

There may not be time on the show to call us all bastards individually. A group statement will have to suffice.

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Dec 10, 2011

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ewe2 posted:

"Its the last thing the News of the World would do to interfere with police investigations. The News of the World were pro-police."

And sure enough, it was the last thing the News of the World did.

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Plavski posted:

"A self-confessed player of the pink oboe..."

That's gay men. For women it would have to be the upright harmonica.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tithin Melias posted:

tl;dr - nobody trusts News ints lawyers because they were worried that everything they said would be reported back to news int in an effort to throw them under the bus.

And isn't that Coulson caught in conspiracy to pervert the course of justice?

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Dec 10, 2011

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Brown Moses posted:

Keep in mind sentencing reflects the law at the time of the offences, which have increased significantly since the time they occurred.

Some of them are also running concurrently.

To answer the question about how much of the time he'll serve: he's expected to serve half the sentence in prison and be tagged for the rest. He may also have to pay prosecution costs.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jippa posted:

So he will be out in 2 years?

Closer to three, barring any ill health that gets him released on compassionate grounds - he is 84, so that's not too unlikely.

As one of his victims said, though, the sentence is not as important as the verdict. I just hope that when the judge asked the jury foreman if he was ready to deliver a verdict, he replied "Yes. Can you guess what it is yet?"

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Brown Moses posted:

I can see arguments for and against this, especially in a case like this when they got away with their crimes because of their position in society.

It doesn't matter how long he's sentenced to, because we don't really like to let people die of old age in jail. They can make all the terms run consecutively and he'll still be out after three years or so on grounds of health. He's already lost the most important thing. Everything else is just posturing.

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Dec 10, 2011

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shrike82 posted:

It does seem odd to lump phone hacking and paedogeddon together unless there's some connection I'm missing.

Milly Dowler.

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Jose posted:

I still can't believe there was an organisation called the paedophile information exchange

I first heard about it in a Tom Sharpe novel, so I assumed it was a joke he made up. I thought the same about NAMBLA, for the same reasons. It's just proof of the old saying that truth is always stranger than fiction because fiction has to be internally consistent.

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Dec 10, 2011

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If the existence of a political class wasn't enough to destroy your faith in it, you're horribly misguided. Not everyone needs to be a socialist, but you can't represent the people if you're not representative of at least some of them.

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Darth Walrus posted:

Part of me wonders if Butler-Sloss was set up to make the second offer, no matter how awful and inappropriate, look better by comparison.

I'm pretty sure there's a phrase for that ploy, isn't there?

It's often referred to as the Harkonnen gambit, after Dune.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Brown Moses posted:

Peter Jukes' Beyond Contempt will be on "pdf, epub, mobi" formats, whatever that means.

MOBI is the Kindle format, EPUB is used by other e-readers such as Nooks. So yes, they're coming to digital.

(Call yourself a bloomin' journalist, humph harrumph.)

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Dec 10, 2011

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Brown Moses posted:

Not as good as my journalism based Kickstarter (still time to contribute as well *cough*)

I don't know, this "Brown Moses" character seems a bit shady to me. He might do a runner with the money. :dailymail:

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Lying in his hammock on a Caribbean island and sipping his mojito, Brown Moses posted:

They turned down the Brown Moses Blog Kickstarter because they weren't doing journalism projects, although it seemed to me that wasn't too tightly adhered to. Looking at some of the current journalism projects on there I sort of getting their point.

Yeah, a lot of people think journalists are professionally published bloggers. Which in fairness some of them are, but it's quite easy to make a journalism project that is basically "fund my lifestyle" because you don't understand what's involved.

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Dec 10, 2011

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ultrabindu posted:

Yes. Go watch it now.

Disagree. I watched half the first one before switching off. It was a badly paced, muddled mess.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Mr. Squishy posted:

This is a drat good first epi.

The entire show was downright perfect. I'd kill for a DVD release.

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Arsenic Lupin posted:

A child-sex-abuse ring isn't (sadly) that surprising. One garnished with torture and multiple murders? Yes, that's startling, not least because people were doing these things in front of witnesses. Sex abuse is icky, but murder will get you put away for life.

These things have not previously been revealed because they were not done in front of witnesses. They were done in front of an audience.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Pesky Splinter posted:

The Good:
  • Had an unspecified part in creating Mr Whippy ice cream.
  • Voted in support of the decriminalisation of homosexuality, (one of the few Tories MP to do so)*

Thatcher almost certainly only voted to decriminalise homosexuality because she knew how many gay Tories there were. 20 years later she was in charge and didn't need them.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

So Don Hale's story has changed yet again - at first he was just claiming that he had information about one nonce and he got served a D-Notice, now he's claiming that he had info supplied to him by Barbara Castle (who chose to entrust the biggest political story of the century to her local paper, and also neither her nor this guy had apparently heard of "photocopiers") about an entire network and 15 Special Branch officers stormed his office to seize papers. Also he's now claiming the papers carried protective markings which have never existed ("for your eyes only" is a loving Bond film, for fucks sake, and "Eyes Only" - the actual protective marking - would have been alongside other protective markings that are way more memorable than the ones he mentioned).

I said when he first came forward his story seemed unlikely, but this is just plain bullshit.

I don't know about any of that, but why would you take a story to the Bury Messenger when you could take it to the Manchester Evening News?

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Dec 10, 2011

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PerpetualSelf posted:

Don't worry there's a simple solution.

Them waiting five to ten years is a simple solution. Doesn't mean they'll do it though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Murderion posted:

Like a dungeon master, but with a better view.

Who rules E-town? House Master Blaster rules E-town!

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Dec 10, 2011

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Lord Janner is getting away with buggering kids, but only because he's too far gone in dementia to stand trial.

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chairface posted:

If he can't contribute to his own competent defense, it's not exactly a "fair" trial, is it? I feel like they could just go ahead and go for the Savile thing with it.

Even the Savile thing turned into a bit of a cadaver synod. It needed to be done though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Amstrat posted:

The Metro have printed this from Lord Janner's comments in the Jewish Chronicle from 2012


Not to defend Lord Shorteyes, but buggering a few kids really isn't of the same magnitude as mass murder.

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Dec 10, 2011

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nopantsjack posted:

I look forward to the next decade of excuses as to why X pedopolitico can't be charged and the point at which this strategy fails and they just shove some guy to the wolves and declare he did all the child rapes.

Was not aware alzheimers sufferers had diplomatic immunity like in Lethal Weapon, Terry P shoulda molested a few kids for free while he could.

Pterry was never not mentally competent, at least not so long as he was in communication with his fans. So not until the last few months at most.

Also, gently caress you.

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Sad Rhino posted:

The police should look into it, but it wouldn't surprise me if the letter was written by an aide and Janner was made to sign it or an electronic copy of his signature was added before the letter was printed. MPs and peers usually make aides do this sort of work, whether or not they are mentally fit.

Also he may not understand what is happening now, but be capable of operating based on what he's done for many years. Dementia is a funny thing.

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Dec 10, 2011

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OwlFancier posted:

Would that it had had more of an effect.

A toxic one, for preference.

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Guavanaut posted:

The case of the stolen poopsocks.

Sherlock is really scraping the barrel for the next season, isn't it?

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jules Stenson just got four months suspended, 200 hours community service and £18k in costs.

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OhYeah posted:

To call a bunch of Pakistanis "Asian" is beyond absurd, at least where I'm from.

To call a bunch of Pakistanis "Indian" is a good way to get your head kicked in.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Obliterati posted:

I stand corrected - I should have wondered why the Eye stopped going on about it.

Pretty sure they've said in the last issue or four that it's still going on.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Spangly A posted:

Child prostitutes have to commute too, you know.

"Commute" implies they go back again.

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Warcabbit posted:

Oh, god. My sympathy to the Brits, here. This is going to echo, isn't it?

Here's the question - this is recent enough in time that newer politicians could qualify as, er, 'groomed' by them - their proteges.

Who is potentially shadowed by this theoretical list?

It isn't a political thing, it's a byproduct of the old school tie network. The very best of public schools used to have a tradition of younger boys serving and being physically abused by the older, and by repute that often included a bit of solid character-building buggery. It's hardly surprising when some of the students find they have a taste for it. It faded out over the last 30-50 years, though, so the incumbent generation will hopefully be the last.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Just saw something on the news as I was passing through the coffee bar. Sound was off, but it looks like Janner may yet be getting nicked.

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chairface posted:

Hell, you never know, a guy with alzheimer's might forget he was supposed to keep that stuff a secret and spill the beans, assuming he still remembers it.

It doesn't seem likely; if his lawyer's telling the truth Janner can barely speak any more.

Honestly, I won't be upset if this doesn't come to court. Janner's name is tainted anyway.

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Jonathan King has been brought in on charges of kiddie fiddling. Phone posting so can't link, but the story is on the BBC news website.

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Sweevo posted:

Yeah Edmonds started as a radio DJ and ended up in kids TV because that was the way things worked back then. I don't think there's any reason to suspect he was involved in anything.

Are you being sarcastic?

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