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fractalairduct
Sep 26, 2015

I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

The flashback is 10 years ago from whatever the current date is.

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studio mujahideen
May 3, 2005

cropoval posted:

Is...is the giant bird thing on the chapter cover Ed's mom?

Perhaps more likely it's a spirit she works with, but I'm not liking how this looks.

The thing coming out of the sand? That's gotta be boss leader's spirit, the thing responsible for the dream-headquarters. its shaped more like a moon, to me, and itd make sense if it just lives in the middle of the whole thing

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

fractalairduct posted:

The flashback is 10 years ago from whatever the current date is.
Considering that everyone still has flip phones, and the alternative is "Simpsons time", I think the normal comic being set in 2011 (and thus, this being in 2001) makes the most sense.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

small correction: Phones are a mix of flip and smart https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-119


Actually I think Max, Isabel & Ed might be the only flip phones (well not a flip phone in Ed's case but--) in the comic? Johnny's pals also have smartphones. Guess it makes sense those 3 would be behind the times, feel like isabel's grandpa and max's dad would be very "your phone's good enough"

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


rannum posted:

small correction: Phones are a mix of flip and smart https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-119


Actually I think Max, Isabel & Ed might be the only flip phones (well not a flip phone in Ed's case but--) in the comic? Johnny's pals also have smartphones. Guess it makes sense those 3 would be behind the times, feel like isabel's grandpa and max's dad would be very "your phone's good enough"

The actual reason, that their phones are dated by the order in which they were introduced and shown using a phone in this decade old comic, is very funny.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


rannum posted:

small correction: Phones are a mix of flip and smart https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-119

The very next page has a Suzy/Dmitri moment. Suzy is wearing frosty pink sunglasses.

Where else in the comic have we seen "frosty pink"?

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

SKULL.GIF posted:

The very next page has a Suzy/Dmitri moment. Suzy is wearing frosty pink sunglasses.

Where else in the comic have we seen "frosty pink"?

Imagine Suzy with the power of erasing

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


SKULL.GIF posted:

The very next page has a Suzy/Dmitri moment. Suzy is wearing frosty pink sunglasses.

Where else in the comic have we seen "frosty pink"?

Oh god, she's going to get that pencil, isn't she? And it's been established that exposure to tools can make you a spectral...

pik_d
Feb 24, 2006

follow the white dove





TRP Post of the Month October 2021
What a face!!


https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-6

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Zack sure is setting up a lot of dominoes.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
Boss Leader is sassing us through the 4th wall with that age descriptor.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Here ed say hi to your mom! "I'm in a lonely dark prison for the rest of my dies heheheheheh"

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

WE've only seen it twice and the conceit of Dreams probably means this may be nothing but might be worth noting the door's design is fairly different in the modern day https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-6-page-40

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Not too much to dissect in this page at first glance. It looks like Gwen (and her husband? But I get the sense that Ed's father's doing something/is someplace different) willingly went into the grudge's dream/prison to try to figure it out. "With your mind, we could solve this from within --"

Agent Walker's comment about "C'mon. Dream ain't stable." suggests that Boss Leader is using her special power to contact Dr. Burger through her dreams -- similar to how she contacted Max through his dream about his mother when he was knocked out after falling from the train.

rannum posted:

WE've only seen it twice and the conceit of Dreams probably means this may be nothing but might be worth noting the door's design is fairly different in the modern day https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-6-page-40

Different expression but still more or less the same appearance: one green side, one purple side, and the colors between the chains alternate. Padlock nosering, top-row teeth at the bottom.

Honestly if anything I bet you that door's harboring the Grudge that Boss Leader and Dr. Gwen are discussing in today's page.

Lt. Lizard
Apr 28, 2013

rannum posted:

WE've only seen it twice and the conceit of Dreams probably means this may be nothing but might be worth noting the door's design is fairly different in the modern day https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-6-page-40

Its expression is more..... jolly? Maybe it is happy that a small part of it hitched a ride in otherwise uninteresting kid with black spectral energy? :tinfoil:

Jade Rider
May 11, 2007

All the pages have been censored except for "heck," and she misread that one.


Given they're talking about a grudge, I get the feeling that it's either going to end up being Spender's freaky shadow spirit or possibly (but far less likely) Scrapdragon. Boss Leader called it a grudge while she was talking with Max, if I'm remembering right.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

I forget all the information we have but wasn't the implication (or at least one of the running theories) being that the scrap dragon is a chunk of the shadow spirit to begin with

could all be parts of the same thing

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
Is there any particular reason to believe that scrapdragon is tied to the metaplot at all, other than "well, it's the protagonist's spirit partner so it must be important"?

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?

Rand Brittain posted:

Is there any particular reason to believe that scrapdragon is tied to the metaplot at all, other than "well, it's the protagonist's spirit partner so it must be important"?
Not-Max's conversation with Doorman.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

PMush Perfect posted:

Not-Max's conversation with Doorman.

i'd have to do some rereading but i think the implication we have now is that that's something *completely different* than scrapdragon that's possessing max without his knowledge

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Rand Brittain posted:

Is there any particular reason to believe that scrapdragon is tied to the metaplot at all, other than "well, it's the protagonist's spirit partner so it must be important"?

It's a grudge, so that seems important
Then there's this https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-3-page-39
Which seems like it's probably more related to the scrapdragon than just an innate max thing, even if it winds up technically being a separate thing (
Boss Leader seemed to notice whatever the other presence is too https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-4-page-120 )

Its possible the two are entirely unrelated and Important Thing is just hitching a ride on Max through scrapdragon, which could be any old spirit that was just unlucky.

Other idle thoughts on scrappy:
-black spirit energy, while common, has only been associated with scrap/max & the shadow spirit spender has on lock down iirc
-https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-1-page-39 max was drawn to the bat. Which doesn't seem to be the normal thing that happens
-Someone pointed out ages ago that Davvy, who obviously has his hands in all sorts of pies, in this panel is in the same sports storage as where the bat was https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-245
-https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-5-page-239 lucifer referring to the shadow spirit('s remnants?) as "worthless scrap" feels a bit more than coincidental

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
I guess the question to be answered would be how neither Boss Leader, the Burgers, nor anyone else realize that a fragment of whatever Grudge is being kept behind that door leaked out. Boss Leader herself doesn't seem to know what Spender is hiding in town if we assume the kids in this arc are going to wind up sealing away the "shadow" within Spender by the end of things.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Brought To You By posted:

I guess the question to be answered would be how neither Boss Leader, the Burgers, nor anyone else realize that a fragment of whatever Grudge is being kept behind that door leaked out. Boss Leader herself doesn't seem to know what Spender is hiding in town if we assume the kids in this arc are going to wind up sealing away the "shadow" within Spender by the end of things.

Probably it was fragmented when it was sealed and no one noticed.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

Who Is Giant Subterranean Insect

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

Who Is Giant Subterranean Insect

Hijack mentions a sister who controls emotion and looks like a giant millipede

*taps giant conspiracy corkboard* it's all connected!

wokow6
Oct 19, 2013
https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-7

A lot of info to glean from the dialogue and reactions.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

wokow6 posted:

https://www.paranatural.net/comic/chapter-7-page-7

A lot of info to glean from the dialogue and reactions.

So, what we can glean so far...


Boss Leader had recently taken over as boss leader at this point. The Burgers' disappearance happened under her predecessor's tenure.
Gwen last saw Rick and Mina before Rick had Lucifer, so presumably before he became host to the shadow spirit. Possibly the same incident?
The Burgers are trapped in a realm where time works differently. Something related to that has already happened to Ed's dad.


From the last page, we also saw that the Burgers' imprisonment bought some time before a Grudge does whatever it does.
And that Boss Leader is interested in solving their predicament, though I guess we knew that from the fact that their disappearance is one of the things Day was sent to investigate.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


If they’re in the dream HQ thing and Burgers are trapped / always in it, could they have been / still be in a coma where they simply can’t wake up?

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

If they’re in the dream HQ thing and Burgers are trapped / always in it, could they have been / still be in a coma where they simply can’t wake up?

It's possible, but Gwen was speaking specifically in terms of a prison, which this doesn't really describe. Especially since Boss Leader was asking what they learned there.


...hang on, the Burgers disappeared 13 years ago but Ed is only 12. Where did he come from?

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Tenebrais posted:

It's possible, but Gwen was speaking specifically in terms of a prison, which this doesn't really describe. Especially since Boss Leader was asking what they learned there.


...hang on, the Burgers disappeared 13 years ago but Ed is only 12. Where did he come from?

It's either timey wimey shenanigans, or Ed was born in the spirit world.

Or an plot hole, that's possible too.


But seriously, what's been established here is that this flashback was 10 years before the plot, and that it has been 3 years since Mom-Burger last saw Ricky. But as it been established how much time passed between the last meeting between these two and the Burgers' disappearance? If it's at least one year, plot hole averted.

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

you think the long extended pause was just seeing her son in shock but actually, surprise!
"My husband, he's already---Eddy?!"
was a complete statement!





No but really it's possible he's 12-going-on-13 at this point, wouldn't it? Like Ed is born i dunno June 1990 (I'm pulling the dates out of nothing, fyi), Burgers disappear August 1990. If it's May 2003 you'd probably still say they've been missing for 13 years even though Ed's still 12 for another month & it's not been the proper 13th anniversary of their disappearance

Malpais Legate
Oct 1, 2014

Ed is secretly a moody teenager just like Isaac! I've solved it!

cropoval
Feb 17, 2020

Cat Mattress posted:

It's either timey wimey shenanigans, or Ed was born in the spirit world.

I had the brief thought of "oh it'd be sick if Ed was born in the spirit world" myself, but you can see baby Ed with his parents in one of the pictures here, so it doesn't look like the case. The "Ed is almost 13" explanation is probably right.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

cropoval posted:

I had the brief thought of "oh it'd be sick if Ed was born in the spirit world" myself, but you can see baby Ed with his parents in one of the pictures here, so it doesn't look like the case. The "Ed is almost 13" explanation is probably right.

This puts the theory to rest, but I was briefly thinking the poster above suggesting they were in comas while their spirits were trapped elsewhere was right and maybe Ed was born after they were already comatose.

cropoval
Feb 17, 2020

Update time.

Interesting combo of "distorted by my dream's distance" and "you can blink and miss what sleep I'm able to get here." So this implies that the Burgers aren't actually comatose/asleep like we've been assuming but are instead...trapped somewhere where they can barely rest?

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
The burgers are stuck in the warp and this is event horizon all over again.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


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Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


https://twitter.com/paranaturalzack/status/1273712447069667328
https://twitter.com/paranaturalzack/status/1276315695421091841

Zack hire an illustrator challenge

xcheopis
Jul 23, 2003


Learn to have a buffer.

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Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

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Gunnerkrigg has been around for how long now and people still haven't learned

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