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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Deadpool posted:

Except a procedural doesn't say anything about specific content of the show. Just the formula. Kind of like single camera and multi camera sitcom describe the kind of show you're watching not the specific content of it. Procedural is fine to use to describe both Law & Order and Person of Interest.

But both shows you mentioned are ones I'd watch on a lazy Sunday or something, but not get out of my way to watch and vouch for. Procedural is a handy term because it describes a type of product that requires more work and participation by the viewer. It effectively describes what I would likely not be that interested in versus what I would be truly excited about.

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Daredevil's real power is generating dead girlfriends. Don't click that unless you read the comics, boys.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

CaptainHollywood posted:

Maybe I should get back to watching Walking Dead - the producers seem to know where it's all headed. I stopped halfway last season.

http://www.avclub.com/article/walking-dead-could-go-long-12-seasons-205754

The article reads like an Onion article.

quote:

Still, Alpert says they’re not really thinking five seasons ahead right now; they’re actually thinking seven seasons ahead. “We know where season 11 and 12… we have benchmarks and milestones for those seasons if we’re lucky enough to get there,” Alpert said of these important future scenes they already have mapped out, such as “Zombie Attack” and “Discussion of Zombie Attack.”

Haven't really kept up with the show, though I caught that vaunted episode this season with the two kids and my impression of the show is that Walking Dead a pit where vapid characters meets the most grim dark porn settings and plots imaginable. Anyone who recommends the show to me is suspect and immediately crossed off the people I listen to about TV list.

EDIT: Also 24 is poo poo and to be avoided. Don't jump on that grenade.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jun 13, 2014

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Deadpool posted:

Well considering the site, that's pretty appropriate.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ONION AV CLUB NEVER HEARD OF IT

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I just watched it and had to bounce in the second season because of plotline reasons but its definitely worth checking out. Detective Dale Cooper is probably one of the most interesting characters to star on a TV drama.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Don't forget this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNMtb18W5RI

EDIT: And Keegan Key Peel sketches too.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Jun 27, 2014

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Homeland.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Community is the real uber-vampire.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Waiting to be shocked is a terrible way to watch TV. Just look at people who liked Lost.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I can vouch for Review and Nathan for You at least. Get on it.

The second to last episode of Nathan for You might be one of the most audacious things I've seen on TV.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

GreenNight posted:

MTV okay'ed a 10 hour first season based on the Shannara books:

http://www.deadline.com/2014/07/shannara-mtv-series-greenlight-jonathan-liebesman-jon-favreau/

I remember enjoying the books back in High School but I can't imagine MTV has the budget to make this decent. Although I did enjoy Legend of the Seeker.

Catching up with the thread, but jesus christ, you get the people behind loving Smallville to write this thing? The only chance it had for being any good was to break away from the books and focus on original stuff, and that's pretty much gone.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Occ was saying that Leftovers was better than Mad Men right? Just think that needed to be repeated.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

Mad Men is only bad when it focuses on Betty

I thought that Betty was the one of the best things about the first few seasons, showing the stunted effects of the 50's era housewife ideal, and there were some rough stuff with her in the middle seasons, but I like where they ended up with her. A little wiser, but very much the same as she used to be. Not every character has to be completely sympathetic to be interesting.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

It's an interesting character but I think January Jones is a really bad actress so it made watching her scenes painful.

Eh, different strokes and all that, but for what Betty is supposed to be, she's perfect. She has an extremely narrow range, but I think the later episodes, especially with Don (after they reconciled, sort of), are some of the most interesting stuff on the show.

BTW, just finished a rewatch before catching the latest season, which I LOVED. I don't know what I'll do with myself after next season. Spend time...outside???

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

Nobody hates The Leftovers. They just hate Damon Lindelof.. The show itself is just sorta bland but it's on a premium network so people will talk about it. 5 years from now nobody will remember it like Nip/Tuck.

Nip Tuck is the poo poo! At least the first two seasons. That show hit a quality drop like a ferrari hitting a brick wall.

EDIT: I just started cackling at the thought of the son ending up a loving mime.

EDIT 2: And that serial killer poo poo was what really did it in. gently caress that went forever.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Jul 16, 2014

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

MrAristocrates posted:

They just announced today that Susan Heyward was cast as a lead.

e: Max Fowler and Adam Godley were also cast in major roles.

Legitimately my most anticipated new TV show premiere this year. Charlie Huston, who's doing all the scripts, is loving fantastic, and I'm interested to see how he handles the TV writing/EP duties. And David Slade directing? Jesus Christ, I'm overcome.

EDIT: Uh wait a minute there's a teen lead uh oh

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

GreenNight posted:

Charlie Huston? I love that guys books.

Yeah I'm hoping its another Nick Pizzolatto situation, but unlike in True Detective, I have actually have read Huston's stuff before seeing his TV stuff.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Aphrodite posted:

That teen character they cast isn't a lead. He's not even in the comic so he can only have so much of a role.

Not being in the comic doesn't mean a thing for an adaption, I think. And even if he isn't a lead, I guess I've been burned by hokey teenage plots in other TV shows before. Can anyone think of the last teenage supporting castmember whose plots were ACTUALLY an interesting part of their respective shows?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

Claire from Six Feet Under.

That's a good one, but it took a couple of seasons for me to warm up to her, and it was fifteen years ago. Anything since then?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

After watching two seasons of An Idiot Abroad on Netflix, its kind of my favorite thing ever. Karl Pilkington is an enigma and is an incredible natural funnyman find. Like, not the comedian kind. The kind you used to know as a kid, whose entire life was perfect comedy.

Looking forward to diving into the appropriate thread of course. But the season finale just made it impossible to post about it. Finally have a reason to check out the podcast.

EDIT: The poo poo! There's no thread?!

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

DrVenkman posted:


The only good thing The Walking Dead did was have that arc in the comic where they meet peaceful, well rounded people who have made the best of a bad situation and are actually loving happy.

Yeah...

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Kraps posted:

Maybe its because Glau isn't a main character in Arrow? I think where her arc ended up was dumb anyway.

I bounced from Arrow towards the middle of the last season (making the Suicide Squad boring? *pull parachute*), but does the show recover? The idea that her arc goes nowhere makes me happy that I missed out. Opinions from people that aren't just fans of CW and crappy genre shows preferred.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Couldn't find it in the Index, but can someone sling me a link to the Rectify S1 thread?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Deadpool posted:

Can't link to that which does not exist.

Well that's a bummer. Suppose I should just watch the second season already.

But jesus guys, I'm in complete love with everything in this show. Its like they read my secret diary where I write down everything I like about tv shows (who are we kidding, its gonna be a blog), mirrored that with amazing directing and astonishing acting, and spit out on a channel I'm barely aware of. I straight up teared in the first few minutes of the pilot and when the hell does that happen.

The fact that the show demands you participate and think it out is downright refreshing.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Trying to find the soderbergh thing online. Found a q and a for Che instead, handled the heckling like a pro. Does this man have lizard blood?

Why were people pissed at him this time? More deets please.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

muscles like this? posted:

He was on the "How Did This Get Made?" podcast and he was more joke-y. He wasn't high energy or anything like that but he definitely acted more like a normal person.

Also how he's here in the video embedded in this article: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/magazine/nathan-fielder.html

Of course he's going to be more charismatic and socially capable than his TV avatar. But I thought it interesting that he refers to that character as a younger, more awkward, version of himself. You can really tell, the groundness really adds to everything.

hope and vaseline posted:

He was a huge fan of Evangelion, a series that's basically a personality deconstruction of a severely depressed child thrown into all the big robot anime tropes but reacts appropriately by further retreating inwards instead of embracing the role of a hero.

Was that what was supposed to be happening? I was too irritated by the constant cartoon girl flashing, stupid jokes, story and plot cock blocking...whatever man, anime sucks. Though I thought Rahxephon was a better version of Evangelion.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

So turns out Bojack Horseman is unwatchable. Avoid. Had to cut out before the first episode was done. gently caress that, I'm behind on The Knick.

How's the new Flash show going? Any better than Arrow (which I also bailed out on)?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

IRQ posted:

Don't feed Division Post's persecution complex. :ohdear:

You mean us all secretely targetting him? No need to let him know about that.

Ravane posted:

The pilot of Flash was really good. But I'm hoping it doesn't turn out to be some kind of superhero procedural. It's definitely worth a try though. In comparison to other CW shows, this ranks pretty high in quality.

Here's hoping. For good showrunners.

EDIT: Also, puns are the worst.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

precision posted:

TVIV inexplicably expects shows to come storming out the gate with their incredibleness. Which is funny considering, if you look back at the first threads for Bob's Burgers and Community, reactions to the first several episodes of both consisted of a lot of "this is the worst show I've ever seen" type hyperbole.

By that measure, people damning BoJack Horseman as "just okay" is actually about the best you can expect from a new comedy in this forum.

I feel like the Bojack convo is a little rundown, but I think it leads to a much more interesting place, intellectually. Why do you like pilots? They're rough, especially for comedies.

Generally, there is usually a thing or two in there that shows signs of potential. I don't really believe in huge changes in quality over a show's lifetime, with people's obsession with ranking seasons, episodes, individual nanoseconds in SA.

Yes, things improve or don't, but the people behind the shows you love generally make these shows to scratch an itch they've had for yeeaaars. You get a sense of its ethos, its hook.

I liked Bob's Burgers from the start. I liked Pars and Rec from the start. Both pilots turned my head around enough to say to myself hmmm this is interesting and NEW enough for me to see what happens next. Generally, if I have to work at watching a pilot, an episode of TV, I'll loving bail. Life's too short, and there's too many good things on already for me to see it. Good TV doesn't feel like work.

TLDR: Bojack sucks horse sized testicles.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I generally use the accent Dick Van Dyke uses in Mary Poppins for my English accent touchstone. English people love it. Swinging my arms is part of the impersonation.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

gently caress that writing and gently caress the idea behind that writing. People just don't want to think on their own.

Which is good because I'm going to tell you how you should think. Tony Soprano is resting six feet under mofos.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Finally catching up with Married and You're the Worst is a bit enlightening, at least for finding out what I like out of new shows. Never saw the pilot of Married, but started with the second ep and rolled on through the sixth. Instantly hooked with the mom talking poo poo back to her kids as she rustles them to school, her grouchiness a type of honest mom you never really see on TV, outside of villains and such. It smacked of being real, and their interactions struck me as the same, no dumb dad, no nagging mom. An episode of them having fun separately, an episode deciding new couple friends, romantic retreat ending with making fun of twenty olds...its refreshingly low stakes. I like these people, and I want to see what happens next.

You're the Worst...everything just comes right at you. The dub-step soundtrack, the brilliant in your face colors, the smarmy English guy and the sociopathic lady, do people think this stuff is edgy? The English guy doesn't come off as intelligent enough to really be witty, the woman doesn't come off as funny enough to be cutting. And when you don't have characters you don't like, who gives a poo poo what they do? Anyway, end of the second episode, and I'm probably calling it quits. Does it get better?

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sober posted:

Edgar has his moments but they lean too hard on the PTSD/I watched my friends explode right in front of me thing too often

Yeah, that soldier is painful. Just really nails the coffin on this show attempting to be realistic at all. I hate to say it, but that guy is the most transparently unrealistic "wacky" sidekick (updated with that fake edginess this show loves so much) since Six on Blossom. Nobody acts like that guy. Actually, nobody acts like any of these people.

Vincent posted:

The show might be better if they explore the whole "we are actually very toxic people to be around" thing from the last episode instead of the cliched "Oh we are rebels but not really what we really want is a normal relationship."


Yeah, they couldn't even hold to the idea of that not happening past the second act of the pilot. Whatever, I guess I've said enough bad things about the show already so I'll stop.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Ha, so much for me stopping.

Jack Skeleton posted:

Chalk me in as one that is really enjoying You're the worst. I enjoy it for the same reasons I enjoy Always Sunny. Yeah, these people are pretty terrible human beings, but it makes me laugh.


On the flip side, Married just feels like they build up some sort of plot and then drop it or completely forget about ever resolving anything about it.

Its Always Sunny and You're the Worst both have characters that are supposedly terrible. But I think the difference between the two is that I get the feeling that the people behind Worst actually think, you know, that these people are actually "cool", and they don't really have the balls to stick to them actually being unpleasant to be around (eating Chinese in a movie theater, my heavens!). OTOH, one of the main characters on Sunny is probably a serial predator. There's no redemption there, just the best kind of smart black comedy. I mean, didn't you have the gang painting a dumpster baby brown to get welfare checks in the second episode? In Worst, the supposedly terrible main guy is already befriending his characterless little kid buddy, like someone was half paying attention to a Nick Hornby movie. Actually, I think this show was probably made by a guy that really liked those kind of movies (complete with withering British man-child), without bothering to pay attention to what was good about them (like the heroes actually being interesting). Boo.

EDIT: Oh, and I love that about Married. Plots in sitcoms, especially relationship ones, is so stale right now. Characters that don't particularly give a poo poo about them and the story just following their character based responses and ideas is a great decision. poo poo doesn't resolve by the end of a half-hour.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Sober posted:

Jeez, I don't know if I can watch any more upcoming pilots after Red Band Society. It'll probably all be mediocre in comparison.

Its the first half of a stellar movie. How many episodes does it have this season? Its too good to have 24.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Man I really liked Selfie. Laughed multiple times. Gillen killed it. Reminded me of a 1940s screwball comedy. Though I hope they don't tamp her character down too much, it'd just make her boring. And vaguely Amish.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Its naval gazing at its most extreme, based around a character that despite his constant whining gets with beautiful women and great success, so yeah, you nailed it to a T.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I'm a fan of Welcome to Sweden. It isn't really comedic per se, but it is a sweet, understated, in depth look at relationships and what it takes to hold onto them, slammed against a study of a culture that is only deceptively similar to our own. I like that its not trying to be zany or anything, just this odd duck of human drama and sentimental travelogue. Only a few episodes into it, so I hope it doesn't change.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Burn down all nominations, all awards.

EDIT: VVVV I forgot to mention, extra points on the racism Irish Joe. You're a regular piece of poo poo.

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 10, 2014

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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

PittTheElder posted:

Is anyone else really bummed that Duncan Jones is doing the Warcraft movie instead of a Moon follow up?

e: 20 months of post-pro? God drat.

Why? Moon ended perfectly.

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