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OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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That episode made me ready for an all-Servants sports anime. And thanks to FGO they could do it easily.

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OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Has there ever been any kind of statement from Type-Moon about why the VN don't have a proper English release?

Cuz y'know... those happen now. For visual novels. Particularly for famous ones. Especially if they're not pornographic! (Sometimes if they're pornographic)

Hell, didn't the Muv Luv kickstarter hit 500% of it's funding goals? And that's without an incredibly popular mobile game and multiple successful anime series.

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Oct 2, 2018

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Nate RFB posted:

The highschool nonsense results in far more compelling characterization than the entirety of Fate/Zero's cast put together.

This statement passes muster for Shirou and Rin, but I don't find it to be the case for anyone else, especially Saber, who is all over F/SN but I only ever found interesting in Zero

I guess what I'm saying is that Shirou and Rin are better than Kerry and Iri, but everyone else in Fate Zero is way way better than their equivalents in F/SN, excluding Servants and of course, Taiga. Then again I'm sure part of that is Zero benefiting from not having to fit within the structure of a VN with multiple routes that have multiple endings, so it's afforded a bit more narrative clarity.

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

The worst kind of melodramatic manpain theater, imo

I can't even bring myself to come up with a cute way to equivocate this to the possibly fetishistic, gratuitous amount of suffering a certain other character goes through, Senpai

At least when Kiritsugu and Kariya were suffering I didn't get the impression that it was part of a weirdly layered whore/madonna boner coupled with a romantic savior fantasy

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Oct 5, 2018

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Endorph posted:

did you actually play fate/stay night or what

the person who saves sakura is rin, and literally every bit of anger sakura feels is treated as valid and righteous, and nobody ever questions the fact that she killed shinji and zouken, and she is never shamed for her 'sexual impurity' or w/e

what on earth are you going on about

I'm not impugning Sakura's character, or the ultimate outcome of the story, just that the poo poo happens to her and the context of it strikes me as super gross and reminds me of bad exploitation fiction and that is a way bigger offense to me than the waterfall of dumb manbaby tears contained in Zero, especially considering most of the people in Zero got what they had coming to them

Basically seeing Wizard James Bond get owned is better than Wizard I Spit On Your Grave

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Reading the Apocrypha manga has generally been a pretty pleasant experience compared to the anime, which I'm sure is at least partially due to the differences in pacing of manga VS anime but I can't help but wonder if it's also because I've never, ever seen a Studio A-1 action show that I've liked wholeheartedly

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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I should probably wait until CCC for FGO is out so I can at least experience the setting a bit more detail than the anime had to offer but

what

what even is Extra? Did Nasu have the flu and watch all the Matrix movies back to back one day? Why's the entire thing couched in the context of a high school? Why is Vlad's master a cannibal fast food restaurant mascot? Why, other than the obvious reason, are so many of the characters returning from FSN, and why isn't there a consistent logic among them? (Rin is kind of the same, Shinji is and yet isn't, and Sakura is basically herself except she's sort of a fabrication?)

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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I don't know if I'm just a mark for Ishida's artwork or if he's just got fundamentally stronger storytelling skills than the anime staff, but the Apocrypha manga was pretty good from what I read. Turns out the double Siegs being boring poo poo isn't nearly as major a crime when you can exert greater influence on the pace of the story.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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It's all relative, but I do kind of see the logic of ROTK being played out VS Arhturian myths, at least when you live in the country and work in the industry that has Tecmo* in it. Personally, my only major source of "HEY HOW ABOUT KING ARTHUR" apart from Fate has been that one Disney movie with the squirrel seduction and the complete works of Greg Weisman.

There's probably a reason that LB3 was China themed but specifically not THAT China.

oh god i just realized it's likely waver summoned zhuge liang specifically because he got into Tecmo's ROTK games even though Rider was all about DAISENRYAKU

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Aurora posted:

people using the nature of singularities to justify geronimo being fairly mellow is weird

I thought he was mellow because he got summoned as a caster? They're a kind of an even tempered bunch, except for Gilles. Even the feisty ones like Hans and Gil are feisty in a "says something snarky in a meeting" way and not a "bash your face in" way

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Dzhay posted:

We say "Saberface" but it's just a hairstyle...

Jeanne has it too and she's got totally different hair

Confusingly, Mordred should probably have it really strong being the children of two Saberfaces/a clone?, but doesn't seem to have it nearly as bad as Jeanne does. Maybe her character energy is just fundamentally antithetical to sort of aloof, high minded brooding, which is the default mindset I associate with Saber. On the grand spectrum of Saberfaces I'd say she sits on the far end with the Lancer versions of her dad and baby Jeanne

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Related, I really enjoy how Neros design has diverged from her initial perfect saberface look as time has gone on and she's become a more distinct presence.

I haven't gone through all of Extra and CCC but I get the impression Nero's overall character on a meta level has gone from

"I am the Saber Servant. I am intentionally acting restrained as a means of misdirection, along with how my face looks. "

to

"UMU, MAESTRO, HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE UNTIL OUR VICTORY--WHICH IS ASSURED FOR I, THE SABER SERVANT, NERO CLAUDIUS GERMANICUS, AM YOURS TO CONDUCT~"

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Blaze Dragon posted:

The girls are very good and I hope all three of them get more chances to shine. Well, I'm sure Reines and Gray will, but Luvia is a minor character here. Which she'd probably be mad about, but hey, that's still more of a role than Rin has, which offsets that...probably.

Is the case files timeline the same as FSN? If that's the case, where does Gray run off to between now and when Rin starts attending the Clock Tower?

...She doesn't end up in Avalon, does she? That place is full of assholes!

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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DamnGlitch posted:

That seems like it would be an incredibly interesting and fertile base for a new VN and so there is absolutely zero chance we'll see it unless it becomes a LN first. And then it'll have an infinitesimally small chance.

ffs what was the last VN type moon put out?

How do VNs do, in financial terms, compared to other media formats in general?

Putting FGO out of the equation because it makes enough money to choke an elephant with 10,000 yen notes, would it be any more beneficial to do a hypothetical Last Fuyuki Holy Grail War project as a VN vs a TV series, or a movie, or as mentioned, a light novel?

I mean, I sure as poo poo know that if I was Nasu, I'd rather write a 120 page screenplay than another multiple-tens-of-thousands pages long visual novel

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Heavens Feel II is out on home video

Wow, uh, Alter went off on one, didn't she? Just does not give a poo poo. Makes me wonder how fast Gilgamesh would reach for Ea if he had to deal with her. Literally the only time when I've ever though "So THAT'S what they mean when they say she's hypothetically strongest servant."

Also, and this is just regarding the general depiction in the ufotable anime, I feel sorry for Herc and Cu, they both feel like they exist in sort of mid-boss space where their role is ultimately to make other characters look good. The Kane and D'Lo Brown of Fate/Stay Night, respectively

The actual story still has a bit of the feel of that old "Let's make things as terrible as possible, to the point that any kind of comeback might feel contrived" vibe to it but I won't be able to say that for sure or not until the last movie is out, will I?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Has there ever been any interaction between Extra Shinji and core Shinji? I imagine that would make for one hell of a "scared straight" scenario

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Endorph posted:

But she still thinks she's the one that should be king. Shouldn't she be able to offer some kind of logic to explain why?

Wasn't she basically groomed for the purpose of being a Super King by Ector, Uther, and Merlin? It makes sense why she'd be a bit dumbfounded when someone poking holes in the premise she's essentially been raised under. It's like when Shirou makes his confused dog face when someone tells him "Maybe suicidal self sacrifice isn't always a good plan A"

To be honest the whole "Here's a girl whose humanity and agency was shoved off to the side so they could serve this dude over here's grand purpose" is a well the franchise dips into a bit too much between her, Irisviel, Ilya, Sakura, and Mash.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Stairmaster posted:

i feel like this is all just some weird cry for validation that you're never gonna get because an american fate thing would just be another step divorced from the original v/n

To be honest, I'm kind of surprised there isn't a Japanese live action adaptation already. Maybe that's the gang at notes having the right mixture of control over the IP and a desire to avoid doing anything particularly stupid (in spite of what Prisma Ilya might suggest)

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Clarste posted:

And how many of those people who haven't are dying to spend money on an official translation of the same? VNs are fundamentally more niche than like anime or mobile games.

The target audience of a translation is only a small fraction of the FGO audience at best.

That's the thing though, you don't have to be "dying to" do something if it's got an official release in a fairly easy to consume format

Granted, to read something like the full length of FSN there's probably some amount of dying involved

I've never read the VN and don't have a strong desire to, but three things that would get me tempted are: 1) An official release 2) a good localization and 3) Redo all the art cuz it's not 2004 no more baby and the last piece of hardware those illustrations woudla looked at home on was a Nintendo DS, give poor Shirou his good ufotable hair

That being said, from what I know about the costs of localizing VNs+the rumors about the amount of money they want for the rights to the license, I totally don't expect it to happen. I'd be curious if western fan media could ask Takeuchi or Nasu about it, because the issues complicating an English version seem to be beyond their sphere of influence/consideration, but at the same time I imagine direct intervention by said influence is about the only x factor that could enable a potential release.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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https://twitter.com/fate15th/status/1205797118817923073

So apparently part of the FSN 15th Anniverswary expo includes a miniature version of Fuyuki.

...If the Einzbern castle is really up on a hill like that, wouldn't the entire town have seen the fireworks show when Alter starts poo poo in Heaven's Feel? It's Japan, you can probably write off Herc fighting or the odd explosive bit of archery from Gil and Archer as earthquakes, but earthquakes generally don't have giant plumes of purple light and explosions accompanying them

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:

MARCH 28 :getin: :getin: :getin:

e: seriously, the Heaven's Feel 3 release date dropped and I'm the first person to post about it? I'm pretty sure I'm a couple days late, even. Y'all sleeping

I mean... it's going to probably be in theaters a few months before it starts circulating in a very limited release in America, and then it'll be on Japanese home video a few months before it comes out over here in it's most easily perusable form, on top of being the theatrical version of a story that everyone already knows the ending(s) to

Anime movies are like that. Staggered releases generate staggered hype.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Kariya never actually goes "Hey so this is what the Matou magecraft is like, does that sound like a good thing for your daughter?" does he? Not that Tokiomi would necessarily care given he's probably the most mage-y mage that ever maged, but to me Kariya definitely comes across to me like the larger part of his motivation stems from the chip he has on his shoulder against magecraft in general and Zouken and Tokiomi specifically

I like Zero a fair bit, but to me the biggest "but why?" is why anyone with half a brain (who's not a Servant; them being lied to is kind of inherent in the entire premise) believes the HGW will result in genuine no-catches omnipotent wish granting. Specifically Kiritsugu; dude is so dang skeptical and suspicious of literally everything, but he's willing to pin his hopes and dreams on some shady ritual that a bunch of the bastards he's spent his entire life killing cooked up?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Ytlaya posted:

edit: Btw is it ever explained why Cursed Arm is an rear end in a top hat in F/SN but a cool guy in FGO?

Generally speaking the assassin class is full people who will kill anyone because whatever, regardless of whatever personal beliefs when they're "off-duty".

About the only exception to this is Gray, I guess because she's supposed to be an anti-undead Assassin?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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The Beta are at least kinda mechanical about how they do things, the grins and sadism remind me of the mass produced Evas more

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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AlternateNu posted:

I thought you couldn't get gods as servants. Like don't they specifically say somewhere that getting Yahweh/Jesus/Allah/Zeus/Odin/etc. is an impossibility. I'm pretty sure The Buddha is up there (and would cause some public backlash if they try to add him in). Though, it would be interesting if they brought out Siddhartha Gautama pre-enlightenment. :v:

This is usually gotten around via either composite Servants (the Alter Egos) or Psuedo-Servants (Ishtar and them) or other means (hijacking someone else's summoning, like Artemis and Orion)

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Compendium posted:

Gil is a bitch that I can stab with any of the FGO Lancers, this is canon don't @ me

Even Benkei?!

Isn't Gilgamesh's indomitable status nearly 100% tied to Ea? Gate of Babylon and it's contents are great, but in the "powerful, but can be worked around" sense and not the "Maybe rethink your life choices if you ever have to deal with this" sense

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jan 28, 2020

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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When you think about how awful mages are, you can kind of understand how sick Emiya would get of cleaning up after their messes, and why the planet would need an immune response in the first place

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Illya was being goaded by the grail into completing the ritual, she probably has no idea that Gil and Kirei even exist

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Raxivace posted:

I don't really have any problem with Shinji just being an evil rear end in a top hat (His motivation/backstory seems reasonably well established to me anyways in the VN), though it does beg the question why Shirou was ever friends with this guy to begin with.

Everyone thinks Shinji is a harmless assclown instead of a particularly harmful rear end in a top hat. Only Sakura knows otherwise, and she's been so categorically beaten down in every aspect of life, she either can't or won't object. There's also other factors at play, like how anyone who has come in contact with mage society is a little demented, Shirou's survivor's guilt and superhero morality, and Rin's ego.

His depiction is honestly kind of weird. I get the feeling he's supposed to come across as a sorta horny demi-bully type at first glance, but he's also Team Rocket-level with fair regularity , and then in Heaven's Feel you find out just how deep the scumbag hole goes. I get that FSN is a story (stories) that revels in showing many different ways a person can act, but even Ilya going from bloodthirsty moppet to loving big little sister is a contrast that feels less bumpy.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Do the other versions of Apocrypha have a different reception than the anime? I've been reading the manga by Ishida and it benefits a lot from Ishida just being a dope artist and talented, consistent storyteller, but even then since it's such a huge roster, even then it's kinda uneven in how entertaining it is from moment to moment.

I guess what I'm really asking is: is Jeanne less boring in the light novel?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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So, is there any chance the fact that Aniplex has started publishing VNs in English might be a sign of things to come?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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does it really count as a sword guy if he has two short swords and all his specials are arrows?

Actually Archer shouldn't get in because he's basically just edgy Pit, and there's arleady one of those

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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I got to poking around about Tsukihime's story (in lieu of reading it, because who has that kind of time) and is Kohaku's route as horrible as the broad plot summary details make it sound?

I know that hosed up sex poo poo is the fashion of genre fiction eroge, but dang

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Is it really Takeuchi being lazy, or is it just that he's always drawn that way and the new designs just reflect the direction his art went in (which didn't address any deficiencies he has in making distinct looking characters)?

the truth is they've all been arcade faces, all along!!!

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Rody One Half posted:

NO

MEDEA LILY DOESN'T COUNT

Medea Lily is good, because if vanilla Medea was hanging out with any of the Argonauts crew she would just be exasperated and angry a lot, instead of being comically passive aggressive

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Was it ever confirmed who used Excalibur to blow up big evil white space bunny Altera?

Chronologically speaking it couldn't have been Saber, but it's not like defying the conventions of linear time has ever been a problem for the assorted components of the planet's defense system in this setting

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Galaga Galaxian posted:

Typically in the different takes on the myth, Mordred was able to launch their rebellion because they were left in charge of Camelot while Arthur was out on campaign, because Mordred was the most talented administrator of the Knights.

A very amusing picture when imagining our Mordred. :v:

Mordred is short tempered and impulsive, but arguably smarter than all the other (featured, on-camera) KOTR, excluding Agravain . She's underachiever Bart Simpson, not dumb-as-Homer Bart Simpson. Like when characters like Suzuka or Fionn decide to flex their brain muscles that are otherwise just inert.

OnimaruXLR fucked around with this message at 08:58 on Jan 12, 2021

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Stairmaster posted:

prequels generally suck rear end but i'd watch an ova about the nasuverse camelot saga

I've always thought that ufotable could justify stealing what little thunder Deen FSN had left by doing a combined Fate Route+Saber backstory movie (or trilogy)

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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I enjoyed HF3 but I do feel like on the whole the trilogy was kinda... undercooked somehow. It could be the big rear end gaps between releases, it could be cut material (I certainly agree with the complaint that some LN fans have made about Ilya and Shirou's burgeoning siblinghood not being sold effectively), but on the whole I feel like it doesn't do as good a job as the UBW TV series did in any department except lookin real good. I actually liked the first and second movies more because it felt more like "Well this is going to have an adequate payoff, right?" but then the payoff was just kinda okay.

Curious to see what/if ufotable does with Type Moon next. I've heard theories of everything from a Tsukihime (remake) to Hollow Ataraxia. I personally would like to see them touch on the Fate route; if there's really not enough content to sell it by itself like LN fans seem to think, they always could throw in some Camelot stuff to fill it out more.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Do Kirei and Shirou have any more interaction with the Fate route? Based purely on ufotable stuff, it feels a little underwhelming. I guess it has more impact if you consider Zero, and how Kirei is technically responsible for Gil's shenanigans in UBW, but when you stretch all that stuff out over the course of ten years worth of anime it can be kinda easy for that particular thread to be lost. For me, in the pantheon of "two half dead assholes just thumping on each other until one or both dies" moments, the movie version doesn't rate particularly high

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OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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It just occurred to me, how was Shirou able to project Rule Breaker? I guess it means that Archer encountered it at some point? Would that "some point" be his random adventures, or does he (Archer) have a specific, presonal canon FSN route that he went through? Or did he go through them all? If he went through them all, it kinda makes his performance a bit unremarkable considering this is almost New Game+ for him

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