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Poque posted:horrible D1 cases incoming I want in! Poque is probably scum because he's already discrediting me!
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Poque posted:my biggest scumtell is basically all of The Breach yeah i know, i kind of picked up on it but i didn't feel like it was the strongest read i had, or that it would do me any good screaming at +1 more people as i went down d1
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Feb 24, 2015 18:08
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Murmur Twin posted:gently caress it, I think I can handle three games at once. I'd like in please! honest opinion: the most i've handled at once was 6 and it was awful i think at one point in a game i hinted i had a cop result on one player (which I did in a different game) and that messed up the entire game for me in the one where i didn't, because i was afraid that if i change my tone all of a sudden i'd be puppy cuddled
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Feb 24, 2015 18:22
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haha gently caress you, capps
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Feb 24, 2015 21:39
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Feb 24, 2015 21:41
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Mills posted:I was playing before every single one of you. < I've been scum since the universe began.
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Feb 24, 2015 22:13
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True and Real posted:Ernie, do you like LM's jokevote there? neutral, nothing could be read into it!
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Feb 24, 2015 23:12
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True and Real posted:How about Somber's read on the new guy? What do you think of that? i have strong opinions about voting for new people i don't hold somber to them and i happen to think he's hilariously wrong but he doesn't have to be scum, he could be town generating content
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Feb 24, 2015 23:23
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Pinterest Mom posted:##vote somber maybe this, but no this mostly because it fits in a rule i don't often vocalize which is commenting on a comment is usually a safe place for scum to do their business people are unlikely to go deeper because ~WIFOM~, and are vulnerable if they only stay on the first level but maybe that's just due to how i play as scum
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Feb 24, 2015 23:29
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Murmur Twin posted:Don't you think that using the gun in a majority-rules fashion (requiring people to actively state who they want to shoot) is better than giving it to one person who either (a) doesn't know who scum is or (b) is scum themselves? MMT is confirmed town, because this is exactly how I feel as well. It seems like a lot of people are being hypocritical about this. If you believe that we should always lunch D1, for information, then a double lunch is double the information. Believing that people can explain away any vote is fundamentally at odds with believing you can catch scum.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:24
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:I'm having trouble believing the argument that grandi is scum. What usually feels scummy to me is when someone gets really defensive and tries to point to someone else immediately as scum. I like this post. It's very well reasoned, it doesn't shift the blame on Pmom (i.e. WELL HE DID A SCUMMY THING I HAD TO VOTE HIM), and it's still light-hearted. Grandicap posted:Oh, I am cool that you are being dismissive of that part. It was meant as a joke. The butt of the joke being my laziness in looking at your previous games. There is no reason for you to lie about something so trivial, that any number of people in this game could call you out about, or any number of people could look up easily. Anyone who reads this post and still gives PMom the gun is something. It's so earnest and it strikes exactly the right balance between being reasonable and being curious that scum are usually too stressed to do. Hal Incandenza posted:Well I am trying to be more active today since I will be travelling tomorrow morning/afternoon and I don't want a repeat of THE BREACH. YOU LIED, HAL merk posted:I will build as large and in depth as possible of a case on someone and fire the shot in the same post. I'm uncomfortable with merk's suggestion here. He makes a provision to use his gun in the scummiest way possible, i.e. allowing himself to manufacture an opinion and kill its target in one post. This post seems too self-reliant to actually be taking the context of the game into account. Mills posted:##vote LM >:\ Pinterest Mom posted:I thought you were suspish, and then your extreme mafia-dadding "oh well that's a good response for a newbie to have" that also served as an eject button from a case that wasn't getting traction made me think you're scum, so that's when I voted. I feel like everything Pin has said in this game has an inventedness air to it. This post especially. It feels like scum who's proud that they're in control of the mood of the game with a good case, reaping the advantages of the attention that's being paid to them as much as possible. Poque posted:so in this case, #arming you is just #voteing grandi. that's not unreasonable. It's pretty much just a shortcut way to do what MT is suggesting. Poque posted:that's plenty of time to decide on two people. Poku's posts are good. They represent the ~true ideals of mafia~ well so I think it'll be difficult to read into them one way or the other. Null tell for now. _____ Null on Somberbrero _____ True and Real posted:I think Pmom is about the worst person to give a gun to, presently. Diqnol is probably very likely town this game. His entire game is based on getting reactions, and only nudging the thread away from PMom is consistent with that. It doesn't restrict the organic reactions the thread would have, but also doesn't give us more information about a known entity at this point (Pmom). Ernie. fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Feb 25, 2015 |
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Feb 25, 2015 17:42
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True and Real posted:I think Mills is a tougher read. You're my second choice. Mills and Gulag are both equally as easy to read because they have the exact same scum game. (not joking)
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Feb 25, 2015 17:43
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^^ Ernie. hosed around with this message at Feb 25, 2015 around 11:44 uh whoops i had a double quote in there of diqnol's last post because my v button is sticky and pasted twice
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Feb 25, 2015 17:45
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merk posted:This is the most pro-town way to use the gun. Not only do you get my decision on who to kill, you get as big of a case as possible of why I chose to kill that player. If I'm wrong, you get to pick apart my case to determine whether I'm wrong because I made up the case. You get immediate results regarding the success or failure of the case that I build. To put it shortly, you're very conscious of how influential you are, and how difficult it is to actually lunch you, as self-quoted you know that you are among the least lunched players in our community. Yet, you insist on using your gun in a way that only harms you. If you don't see how that is a null-tell for you then you're intentionally misrepresenting yourself right now. merk posted:##vote Ernie ##vote merk rodeo time
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Feb 25, 2015 17:47
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True and Real posted:Oh, I had decided not to respond to Ernie but I disagree. Gulag is night and day from scum to town. Mills isn't. When they're scum they both defend their teammates relentlessly. Keep an eye out for it.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:47
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Pinterest Mom posted:Ernie, why do you think MMT making an argument is indicative of town alignment, whereas me making the same argument (before her, and with more insistence) doesn't even rate a mention? It wasn't just her one post, but all of them. I disagree with almost all of her casing (I think she's talked about Grandi?) but she's done it in a way that's sincere and easy to follow. On the other hand, I disagree with almost all of your casing, but you've done it based on lines of logic that I don't think are sincere. For example the relentless pursuit of Grandicap because he gave you a pass. Maybe later in the game that would be worth something but on a D1 I feel it's much more likely to be a personality quirk.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:50
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Pinterest Mom posted:Yeah. Isn't this the first post you made explaining your read on Grandi?
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Feb 25, 2015 17:54
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Ernie. posted:To put it shortly, you're very conscious of how influential you are, and how difficult it is to actually lunch you, as self-quoted you know that you are among the least lunched players in our community. Yet, you insist on using your gun in a way that only harms you. If you don't see how that is a null-tell for you then you're intentionally misrepresenting yourself right now. Diqnol and PMom, I want both of your opinions on what I said here.
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Feb 25, 2015 17:55
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Pinterest Mom posted:No, it's the first post I made explaining my dismissive "yeah okay" post. You'll want to go up four posts in my post history to find the post where I first call grandi scum. Sorry, I made a bad assumption. That said, I think misrepresentations of order of posts are more common with town rather than scum. Scum already have a ~natural order of things~ in their head, and they weave their way around townies pitting one against another based on earlier interactions. Town on the other hand is dealing with an unreasonable amount of disorganized information. It's more likely that they're the ones who make a problematic case like this. And when you take into account that grandi was unfamiliar with your vt claiming meta, maybe you should see that he's more likely town?
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Feb 25, 2015 18:01
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Pinterest Mom posted:I think you're but that it's less interesting than merk voting to arm me earlier based on a ridiculous (obviously manufactured?) justification, actually. It's also at odds with how he later decided that it's best if he gets it because he's ~informative~. Like he's using different, contradictory arguments to suit his needs. He also believes that we don't have enough time for true majority style voting on the vig, but we have enough time to run up multiple candidates to handle the gun in the same kind of majority voting. True and Real posted:You see, I find specific foci to be more useful for content generation than trying to divine information from a breadth of votes. It's way better for d1, I think. Like, not even close. This makes sense, but only if you've legitimately 'caught' something. I think this has been a pretty tame D1 with no easy catches.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:05
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Hal Incandenza posted:I think that last statement is a big stretch Ernie It isn't! From grandi's perspective he thought he saw pmom jump on an easy joke-vote as content + unnecessarily claim to downplay himself. Is it really hard to take both of these facts and see why pmom seemingly became a much more likely scum candidate in grandi's eyes?
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Feb 25, 2015 18:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:I think it's very hard to read the exchange between Somber and AN and my part in it honestly, and have the takeaway be the three posts Grandi quoted. I'm fully aware that I can be wrong, but given the way Grandi played in the prequel game to this one, I don't think so! Grandi seems less to be playing as efficiently as possible, and more to be playing in a way that he thinks helps town as much as possible.
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Feb 25, 2015 18:12
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Anti-Gun thoughts! Mills is the biggest weapon of them all. He's the heart in all of us. Let's gently caress over democracy in a game that's based on it!~ Ernie's legs aren't doing anymore jumping than they usually do so they're perfectly ready to jump some more!
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Feb 25, 2015 18:55
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Feb 25, 2015 22:16
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Mills posted:I was surprised he would arm me, regardless of alignment, because I don't think he respects my ability. That would make me think of a scum player looking take advantage of a mis-shot but tbh scum merk would fear me shooting him out of a "bigger dick" mentality. Town. It almost feels like he's being a caricature of himself. Like he simple thought 'Oh, Mills offering to kill himself, sounds like a thing I'd volunteer for' without actually thinking it through as much as you think.
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Feb 25, 2015 22:23
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Mills posted:Ernie, how do you feel about Anon? Null that post could have all names associated with it replaced and still say the same thing. It doesn't push either town or scums agenda.
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Feb 26, 2015 00:51
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And again merk point blank ignores what I'm saying phrasing it as a general mafia discussion. I am saying merk, the person, the player, the champion, personally is scummy because given how difficult it is to cuddle him he wouldn't be at all fearful of talking yourself out of the repercussions of a misvig.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:39
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Feb 26, 2015 03:42
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Does anyone understand my point or should I drop it? For someone who is confident in their unlunchability like merk is to say that they will both case and vig someone in the same post its scummy because it allows them to downplay the shock of their actions before they even get their gun. The only reason merk would make that his platform is if he knew what he was going to do might be controversial. Like if I were to ask for the gun the last thing on my mind would be to make sure that the town understands that it might be rushed from casing to vigging in a single post.
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Feb 26, 2015 04:06
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AnonymousNarcotics posted:title of your sex tape brooklyn mother loving nine nine  if anyone messes with narc over here, they're messing with me Hal Incandenza posted:Also, I totally understand what you are saying Ernie. thank you i suspect mills gets it too but he's not engaging me on it, so *shrugh*
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Feb 26, 2015 06:57
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Mills posted:The problem with guns is that they usually stifle conversation as everyone waits for something to happen. I'd like to see opinions on why the following players are town or scum: LM, Hal, Hurt, Poque. Little Mac: Uhh Null Tell? He hasn't said anything of worth to the game but to Little Mac that's not indicative of alignment! Hal: He's interacting with the game and cases exactly how I expect town Hal to. If you shoot Hal I swear I'll petition the mod to give me a gun and I'll shoot you back. Hurt: I don't like how Hurt tried to flip something I do in a lot of games (i.e. saying someone's town because their opinions aligned with mine) as scummy. And he then suspected MMT as well. It seems like he's going for the shotgun method for scumhunting instead of thinking things through. Poku: Poku hasn't done the thing that he does when he's scum. If you're wondering what the thing is it's confidence. Town Poku is incredibly hesitant until it comes time to make a decision. And here he's barely voted. merk posted:Well Hal, I read your entire post history and have no idea what you think about anything. The one post you have that gets even close to content looks completely made up and doesn't even follow the actual happenings of the thread, so I'm going to put you in my scum bucket. You and Ernie can have a party. Any bucket that's good enough for Hal is good enough for me! weekly font posted:I'm a little sad almost the entire thread has been arguing about gun mechanics. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the idea of gifting someone a vig and, in all honesty, I think the best policy is what Little Mac said, not shooting at all. But apparently Mills is an ace? We'll see I suppose. I don't know if this post is a joke but it's setting off every alarm bell in my head. It's awkward, it's scared of not commenting about everything and it doesn't even attempt to scumhunt. Weekly Font starts excusing the cuddle before it even goes down by saying 'there's not going to be an informed decision' when we have a vig that can do it. weekly font posted:Re: Poque. It's mainly gut, he's done very little. However, I like these two posts because they are almost exactly what I was thinking as I was reading through the thread. This is better and now I'm confused. merk posted:A Town player should not care what other players think about their alignment. I will always care what you think, regardless of my or your alignment, merk, because a good player always tells the truth but makes it work for them.  True and Real posted:merk, I'm going to tell you this now: I will not vote for Ernie today. I am sick and tired of lynching him on d1 all the time. I don't dislike your case. I'm glad someone has noticed. Unlike EXAKT or DuckHuntDog et al. I don't make a fuss about it, but it does get tedious getting emotionally invested in a game and then just being shoved out because of rigid expectations about playstyle. Thanks, Diq.  True and Real posted:I find it very curious, very curious indeed, that Mills doesn't want to shoot Somber. He's still mad at Somber in theory, right? Shouldn't Mills want to just knock him out? Hmmmmmmmmm Mills probably expects that Somber is his pet case. He has no interest in using the vig the way he wants, but the way he thinks benefits town the most.
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Feb 26, 2015 18:35
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weekly font posted:That's really misrepresenting what I said. It's attempting to use and championing the use of a mechanic in a way that is anti town. So if you think that someone is scummy based on an anti-town way of using a mechanic, what do you think of what i've said of merk?
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Feb 26, 2015 19:04
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True and Real posted:I think Font would be a good choice too
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Feb 26, 2015 21:34
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True and Real posted:Oh yeah, Ernie. Don't self hammer ever again please. I meant to wag my finger at you after The Breach but I forgot. I remember going into the thread thinking "ya maybe I won't vote for Ernie" and then you were dead and I was sad it just felt like if i didn't it would actually be detrimental to town grandi and poque had their votes parked on me for a v long time but okay
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Feb 26, 2015 21:59
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but you had to know you were town because your pm didn't list teammates, right? this is all academic because i'm not voting you over something that any scum can solve in 5 minutes by being quiet long enough that a townie flips but yeaah
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Feb 26, 2015 22:04
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Dr. Hurt posted:True. But that is because this game is flying by and I am trying to buckle myself down. oh hurt what has the world done to you
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Feb 26, 2015 22:11
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Poque posted:i have no idea what i'm doing in this game. give me your vote i'll take mills's vote too then i will make a single case for the rest of the day and use all our votes on it what? that's scummy? well, then!
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Feb 26, 2015 22:12
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True and Real posted:Might you just make the case anyway? I don't care much who it's on, make it on me, whatever. Labor to make the game more fun to play. Labor to make scum have to respond to something awkwardly. Sitting around and making jokes isn't going to solve this game, butthole -_- okay in my next post will be a case Mills posted:Everything seemed so much simpler when we were scumbros. Poque posted:That was way harder. ah trouble in paradise
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Somberbrero posted:okay ##vote AnonymousNarcotics Somberbrero posted:I actually really don't like the tone of that Narcotics Anonymous post :x Somber's picking the tone of this post: AnonymousNarcotics posted:I'm totally missing all the inside jokes here. INCLUDE ME I'm so lonely Which seems like a tame un-mafia related post, and if Narc were scum it would be blatantly broadcasting that whoever they were interacting with were town. Somberbrero posted:Hi give me the kill please. Somberbrero posted:actually is that even possible now? Somber's behavior here is non-sensical. Everyone knows that they are not very likely to hit scum, and everyone thinks they have a good case. Saying that both merk and mills are going to hit town also ignores a lot of the context in who they're suggesting is scum, and implicitly assumes that both merk and mills are town, which are both difficult d1 reads to be so sure of! Somberbrero posted:I know Narcotics is new and there are a lot of people who won't vote her today, but can we please dunk her tomorrow? This just seems like circular, self-conscious posting because Narc was Somber's first target and he's removed himself a lot from that earlier suspicion. If Somber were earnest in his casing I'd expect something along the lines of 'Give me the gun and I will shoot Narc' in his bid for it. Somberbrero posted:I also hadn't really done poo poo. I feel bad I've been less active this game. I don't really see anything alignment indicative in Mills list other than it's very broad and I'll expect he'll ignore it anyway. This is contrast to the opinion Somber had before (RE: Why we shouldn't give Mills the gun).
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