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hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

(Courtesy of Guavanaut)

We're now full swing into election campaigning so look forward to month of promises that won't be kept and politicians hurling blame like monkeys throwing poo poo. With the likelihood of another coalition there is also the added fun of watching politicians try and bitch about each other but not so much that it will be embarrassing when they are holding hands at the podium after election day.

Nick Clegg will possibly lose his seat.

Labour will possibly lose Scotland.

UKIP will almost certainly lose a few more party members when it is discovered they are racist/sexist/homophobic/batshit insane.

And David Cameron might lose his kid in a pub again. Lizard people don't make the best parents.



In other news we lost a British institution, shot down by political correctness gorn maaad.

Some fans are not taking it well.



Sadly we did actually lose someone worth a drat last month. GNU Terry Pratchett.

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hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Kegluneq posted:

Don't forget the massbig debate on ITV tonight! Where Cameron will say something smug and papers will declare him the winner regardless of what the other candidates say. Won't stop Clegg trying desperately to relive his one single moment of glory though.

With seven of them up there I'm assuming it's just going to be an almighty rabble of people shouting over each other and no one saying anything worth anything. Then David Cameron will look smug and say that that's why he doesn't want to lower himself to taking part in such an undignified spectacle (ignoring the fact that Prime Ministers questions is like a school playground).

I feel so sorry for the moderator.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

baka kaba posted:



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A sledgehammer, seems fitting.

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And in completely unrelated news, you're the official thread moderator now! Look at that shiny name

Nah, if the thread starts getting lairy I'll blame Loving Africa Chops for not getting the thread whipped into shape last month.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Going by the range of dates on his tweets he must have the worst facebook password ever. And to go in and hack his facebook page in 2011 nearly 2 years before he joined UKIP is real dedication.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
A couple of leading executives are backing away from the Conservative letter, waving their hands and saying 'not me'.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/02/astrazeneca-and-ladbrokes-withdraw-support-for-pro-tory-election-letter

I'd been thinking about the letter this morning though and how it actually comes about. I'm assuming the heads of business don't all sit around saying 'we must do something to stop Labour' but naively it didn't even occur to me til now that the conservatives probably wrote it and just sent it about looking for signatures.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

tooterfish posted:

Jesus, you guys are actually watching this?

I'm re-watching The Wire instead.

Oooh, snap.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

CoolCab posted:

So I want a bicycle, there's a local "non-profit social enterprise" that refurbs second hand bikes and sells them for cheap, and it seems pretty positive. Is this a sensible thing to do in terms of getting a bike? I know nothing about bikes and don't know if a second hand one is more like a second hand car or a second hand buttplug.

Sounds like a good idea to me, especially if you're just getting back into cycling and don't know how well it'll take so don't want to spend a fortune on something that will end up in the garage rusting (this is based on my levels of self discipline, not yours).

As long as you're not planning to stick it in your bottom of course, then you might want a new one.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
Mumsnet ran off a Daily Mail reporter for trying to get them to bitch about the NHS, I don't use the site regularly or anything but the overall impression is more left than right.

In fact they did a poll in 2013 and Labour were 13 points ahead of the Tories (and 25 points ahead in the under 35's group). So Mumsnet users are on average less likely to be Tories than the general population.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10311014/Women-voters-desert-Conservatives-after-child-benefit-and-childcare-debacles.html

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Gum posted:

did they really try to claim that 12% of 12 year olds have been in child porn?

No. The claim was that 12% of 12 year olds are addicted to watching porn.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Gum posted:

from the article:

Unfortunately, when the NSPCC sent out a press release saying that one in ten 12 year olds are addicted to porn and 12% have been part of a sexually explicit video, dozens of journalists appear to have simply played along – despite there being no report or explanation of where the figures came from.

Aah, sorry.

I would guess they mean kids sending videos to each other. I'm not sure if that's be classed as child porn though?

Edit: And I would be really surprised if it was as high as 12% unless they are have a really wide definition of both videos and sexually explicit.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Party Boat posted:

Scotpolchat is an ourobouros.

Looks that way. It's also incredibly tedious.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Hijo Del Helmsley posted:

I honestly hope it's based entirely out of ignorance. I mean, who cares about job centers when you can just get a job with Father's company.

Plus, the alternative means this was malicious, and they WANT to kill the poor and disabled and I dunno if I'm prepared to accept that elected representatives of the nation would be that downright loving evil.

I don't think it's ignorance or malice, just simply not caring. Assigning it as 'Not Our Concern' and putting it out of their mind.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
The accent thing is odd. I've lived in the same small area for 15 years and in Scotland overall for about 23 years and no one ever mistakes me for anything but an interloper.

But for me it's the whole National Identity thing, I just don't get it. The experience of living as a student in a large, multicultural and fairly wealthy city in Scotland is probably far more similar to living as a student in a large, multicultural and fairly wealthy city in England than it is to living in a croft in the highlands or an estate in Edinburgh. But I think that's probably a product of my childhood and moving round so much.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Acaila posted:

Whereabouts are you? I get the incomer thing too in the Highlands. I think one of the reasons I have a wandering accent is my aggressive attempt to use the local one to avoid getting picked on. Now give me five minutes in any part of Scotland and I'll change to match the locals (and apparently leave some people thinking I'm Irish/American/Aussie!)

I get called Australian too, it's weird.

Argyll and Bute, Oban is the nearest town but I'm in one of the surrounding villages.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
I think people get mixed up between Glaswegian and the Ned accent (I know Ned is a crappy word but it's the only one I can think of to describe the accent I mean). Ned accents are really nasally.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Acaila posted:

"Loch" is quite a famous one. That Ch sound is one that, if you don't use as a kid, you lose the ability to pronounce. My cousins always wind me up by saying "Lock Ness"

Aaah, I assumed it was just me that can't say Loch, it feels really awkward coming out. A bit awkward when you're surrounded by the bloody things.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Jose posted:

I've been working with British housing data for work and have some interesting stats if anyone is interested. In particular the number of houses sold and how many are old/new houses. In a shocking turn of events gently caress all new houses are sold

That sounds interesting, I'd like to read about it.

When you say new houses aren't sold is that because they're not being built or is it because people prefer buying old houses? I keep wondering why people aren't building more - even without government incentives I'd have thought new houses would sell well but then I don't know how much it actually costs to build a house. I know that's like asking how much is a piece of string but there must be some rough estimate on the actual bricks and mortar cost of a standard 2/3 bedroom house before land cost is added in.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Oberleutnant posted:

I mentioned it before, but today is my birthday as well as being the day Maggie snuffed it.I'll never ask for a birthday present again, because it's all downhill from there. :)

Happy Birthday! It's my daughters birthday today too, she was born the day Margaret Thatcher died and is evil incarnate so I could have a Maggie reincarnated on my hands :/

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Pissflaps posted:

How is she with milk?

She hates it. I had to keep breastfeeding (which I know is also milk but a different kind) until she was 19 months because if you put a bottle of milk anywhere near her she would go mental and scream the place down.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Zephro posted:

It's called the Grid. All parties try to do it. You have a preplanned list of stories that you will feed to the press every day in an attempt to control the political narrative. It was pioneered by New Labour.

This is why we get the Today programme having stories that say "In a speech due to be delivered to Parliament later, Ed Miliband / David Cameron / Nick Clegg will say $THING". If you think about it objectively it's crazy - how come the press know the content of every significant political speech hours before its delivered? It's almost as if they're being sent the transcripts by the party press offices! Why even deliver the speech at all, I hear you ask? So you can have some pretty pictures to go with the TV news report of it later in the evening.

I hate reading articles in the future tense, the non dom one was like that, it's like they're reporting on conversations that haven't taken place yet. It'd be good if one of them took it the step further and introduced an imaginary heckler into the conversation.


Party Boat posted:

Is it that few? I've always found polling stations to be more densely packed than, say, Post Offices. When moving house, even if it's a very short distance, my polling station has always changed.

I imagine there's probably a requirement for x% of the electorate to be within y distance of a polling station (with some variance depending on whether it's an urban or rural area) but it's up to the local authority to arrange the logistics.

It must depend on the constituency, Argyll and Bute must have at least double that. I can think of 10 within 10 miles of Oban and then Lochgilphead, Dunoon, Helensburgh and Campbeltown will have the same amount, then probably a couple more in the other far flung villages like Crianlarich and Tyndrum.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Seaside Loafer posted:

Yeah I heard it live, the fat oval office was on there promoting some bullshit policy where every company has to make their employees do 3 days volunteer work a year and when the interviewer quite sensibly repeatedly asked things like 'are you loving mad?' 'how would this work' and 'what the gently caress' etc he fobbed him off with the most odious politician bullshit i think ive ever heard.

I would advise not listening to it, it will make you angry at your radio

http://www.cityam.com/213457/eric-pickles-car-crash-interview-senior-tory-struggles-explain-camerons-paid-volunteering

That sounds like utter poo poo (though I'm going by the very vague BBC article because I can't be bothered listening). The vast majority of voluntary organisations aren't going to be helped in any meaningful way by people turning up for three days - training is going to take longer than that for a lot of voluntary roles, they are crying out for people who are willing and able to make a commitment to help over a period of time. Take the money that will be lost to the economy and give that to the voluntary organisations and that'll help a lot more.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
It's like people thinking they get taxed loads if they work a second job, when it's not that they get taxed more but that the tax free allowance has been used up on their main job.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Acaila posted:

Yeah I've had this happen a few times with Scotrail. When I was a wee just turned 17 year old Highlander visiting Glasgow - furthest I'd travelled alone til then, the train was so late to Perth they had to send me and a couple of others up past Inverness in a taxi. Clever little me also had a dead phone battery, so I got to freak out in the knowledge my mum was meeting me off the train and I wouldn't be on it.

Exact same thing happened to my kid on his first uni visit. I was watching the trains on the national rail website so I could see the one he was on get later and later while the one he needed to be on got sent early (presumably to make room on the platform?). Me and my husband were debating who was going to have to drive the 5 hour round trip to collect him when he managed to call and let us know they were sending him in a taxi.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

You probably believe in homeopathy anyway

I don't think it's wildly uncommon to not have either, especially if you live below a certain income level. My brother doesn't have either, I only got a driving license and passport after I was 30 and I'm pretty sure the majority of my husbands family don't have them either. If you're not planning on driving and can't afford foreign holidays why would you waste the money as well as going to a load of hassle for something that will almost certainly run out and need to be renewed before you use it?

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

TheHoodedClaw posted:

It's weird for food. For example, McVities went to court to establish that Jaffa Cakes were indeed a cake and not a biscuit. Chocolate covered cakes attract no VAT, but chocolate biscuits do (or did back then anyway).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_Cakes#Categorisation_as_cake_or_biscuit_for_VAT

it's weird in general. Over the years there's been campaigns to get sanitary products classified as a zero rated item rather than rated at the lower rate of 5% as it is currently, but toilet paper is standard rated and no one seems to think that's a bit weird.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Zephro posted:

This would be more amazing than words can summarise.

Also the CRB-vetted bit is standard, everyone is paranoid about the paedos these days so you have to get checks out the wazoo to look after kids. I think the quote is probably wrong, in fact. You'll almost certainly need an Enhanced check, which is the one up from the old CRB check and which, IIRC, shows even expired convictions and also any random rumours plod may have heard that might make them worried.

Anyway sorting out childcare would be on my top 3 things to fix in this country (alongside housing and probably mental health) so this sounds like A Good Policy, if also An Unrealistic One.

It's more the volunteer part that's weird, it would be surprising if there were that number of people with the aptitude and training to work in childcare willing to do it for free to cover a full working day. That's a lot of volunteers. And not great for people who'd actually like to make a living doing it.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

tdrules posted:

The voluntary childcare thing is probably aimed at pensioners. It's insulting to professionals in this sector though.

I bet you're right, there's this perception that anyone over the age of 60 is a warm hearted granny or grandad sighing wistfully that they can't spend more time with the little ones. In reality though a load of pensioners are still working because they can't retire and/or don't like kids that much anyway. My mum only barely tolerates her own grandchildren, and they are adorable.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

LemonDrizzle posted:


The Labour one is:

Aaah, that makes a lot more sense, if it's only for school aged children during term time it could be doable with voluntary groups (although with a lot of support from paid workers).

I wonder what they mean about the grandparent thing, is it an employment issue (setting aside time like parental leave for grandparents) or a custody issue where grandparents can be given access to children when there''s a family dispute?

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Poison Jam posted:

I'm getting sick of all the bloody leaflets being pushed through my letterbox every single day. I'm at the point now where I don't even look at what it is, if it's shiny it goes straight into the recycling. I didn't get to do it today because I had a package and had to open the door where I saw a postie getting quite angry with all the poo poo he's carrying round and he just wanted to deliver people's post instead of political poo poo that just goes straight in the bin. his words not mine. Poor fella :(

They put ours in individually addressed envelopes so you have to open them in case it's something interesting before sticking them straight in the recycling. Hardly a mammoth task I know but more annoying than straight leaflets. Also I'm a bit morally opposed to them, seeing as I've opted to get all my bills and statements online to cut down on paper being wasted.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Zephro posted:

Rich Person A wants a two-storey basement extension with swimming pool
Rich Persons B-Z object on the grounds that the disruption would simply be frightful and honestly, Mildred, can you imagine all those tradesmen with their vans and hoodies and uncouth mannerisms?
Rich Person A retaliates by painting her house like an ice-cream stall
Rich Persons B-Z have an attack of the vapours

The firstworldest of #firstworldproblems

Person A sounds like a dick.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

serious gaylord posted:

It is infact persons B-Z that are the cocks in this analogy. They've objected on the grounds that there would be building work for a few months and they cant have that. Not at all.

Basement extensions sound a bit dodgy to me, I don't know how much I would like someone building a whopping great hole under my street. To be fair I am not an architect so maybe they are perfectly fine.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009
The worst thing about British weather is that it's so changeable, even though the size of the change isn't that extreme. Last week it was boiling, now I'm having to sit with a big jumper and a blanket over me (this is more because the baby keeps switching the storage heaters off at the wall without anyone noticing). This morning I woke up and it was bright sunshine but then by 10am it was pissing down. It lurches between tolerably good and tolerably bad so quickly and so often I'm not surprised when it snows in March then 2 weeks later I'm wearing t shirts to the park.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

shrike82 posted:

Already done some travel and actually headed to 7 sisters later in the month.
Would love to hear recommendations if you had any.

Up where I live (Western Scotland) is absolutely beautiful. Mountains and Lochs as far as the eye can see. But it is drizzly and cold for 10 months of the year then midge infested for the other two, so if you don't like gloom it might not be a good place to start.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Holy poo poo, I've been watching this for over half an hour and only just realized that Clegg isn't in it.

Apparently he's bitching on twitter that he wasn't invited.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Phoon posted:

Prescott is cool imo, he's the only politician who uses Twitter properly

I thought he might punch Ian Hislop on HIGNFY last night, it was the most uncomfortable exchange I've seen on the programme.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Pesmerga posted:

I haven't watched HIGNFY for a while because half the time I feel like punching him. What happened exactly?

They were arguing about Leveson and Ian Hislop was making digs about John Prescott hating the press because of the affair stuff. It's on Iplayer and the bickering was in the first five minutes or so if you want to watch.


Gorn Myson posted:

Can't believe people still even watch HIGNFY. Last time I watched it was around 2010, and even then it seemed tired.

It's in my list of things I put on to play on my phone when I go to sleep.Have I got news for you, would I lie to you, just a minute, unbelievable truth, etc. I like going to sleep with noise in the background and panel shows are nice and easy to drift off to.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Prince John posted:

I really don't know. Well, I don't know a way to do it that isn't massively statist.

I'm sure it correlates with all of those, but education perhaps the most. I've found some publications on child health factors but nothing so hard to define as 'not ready for school'. The thing is, every generation says the new one is worse behaved than the last, but presumably it's quite measurable if kids suddenly start rocking up in nappies or unable to walk properly.

Anecdotal evidence but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the opposite. Lower income parents are more likely to follow guidance from professionals on childcare rather than assume they know better or going with more child led stuff. The only 'evidence' I have for this is from American and Australian studies (that I've only read the abstracts of) that show that higher income correlates with later toilet training.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Jose posted:

Last election they said they'd only consider a coalition with the party that won most seats iirc. Maybe people think they'll do that again even though its predicted to be a far closer election

My somewhat hazy memory of it all was that Nick Clegg ping ponged about while everyone bought him drinks and told him how fab he was. He said that he wouldn't be in a coalition with Labour because Gordon Brown was too crap, so Gordon Brown resigned (before the new government formed and he was still technically in charge) then Nick Clegg went with the conservatives anyway.

hookerbot 5000
Dec 21, 2009

Prince John posted:

Interesting...


I think it is quite interesting that there is an issue with parenting that can't just be blamed on parents being poor and stupid as usual. Even highly educated and affluent parents gently caress up sometimes - who'd have thought it.

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Dec 21, 2009

CoolCab posted:

I moved a large amount as a child too, to places with ridiculously variant accents and it did the exact opposite to me; I wound up stubbornly sticking to one. Different strokes, I guess.

I ended up with a nothing accent. People in Scotland generally think I'm English, people in England think I'm Scottish (though that might be more the vocabulary - aye, I'll have a wee cup of tea kind of thing) and sometimes people think I'm Australian or South African. It would be nice to sound like I belonged somewhere.

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