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HoratioRash posted:Su-25 claim was made by a single retarded TV channel, quickly picked up by a few fringed idiots and blown out completely out of proportion by the western media who tried and did to spin it as "official russian goverment position. It is not, nor do I know anyone who seriously conciders it to be a theory. It was a BUK missle, simple as that. Do you think the Russian MoD holds some responsibility for the SU-25 story becoming so widespread after they mentioned one flying close to MH17 in their July 21st press conference on the downing of MH17? quote:At that time there were 3 civilian aircrafts:
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HoratioRash, you have said you are ignorant about geopolitics - please let me recommend a new book by Taras Kuzio, too sensitive for publishers like the University of Toronto in supposedly democratic countries like the UK or Canada because it makes clear the relationships between those countries' financial institutions and corrupt former Ukrainian elites like Fyrtash, Yushchenko, Yanukovich etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mCSORPNBh8
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Brown Moses, since you're in the house, have you got any links about separatist announcements on social media that they shot down a military cargo plane the same day as MH-17 before pulling them? Didn't they think they'd brought down some kind of Antonov at first? Word was they didn't realize it was civilian until men searched the crash site, Ukrainian security services released some unconfirmed audio logs I think of radio chatter where it dawns on them it wasn't a military plane but I guess that's pretty shaky. And there's the classic "Oh, the plane was full of corpses to begin with!" defense they tried out.
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They did think they took out an An-26 cargo plane, yes.
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HoratioRash posted:I'd like to pass greetings from my friend Andrei to you, but I cant, because he was burned alive by Praviy Sector in Odessa. Let me clarify that I meant no aggression. I and my family helped my grandmothers escape the war, not any particular side. Some distant relatives and friends of friends of mine are probably dead, but I am estranged from my family and keep only a handful of contacts in Ukraine, so I do not personally feel the loss. I think nobody would argue that all of this is regrettable. I think everybody would argue about how thing should be instead. HoratioRash posted:
No concern of snipers killing at 3km? I guess second world militaries are more chickenshit than I thought... I first thought you would answer that you were always hidden, but that brings up another issue: what the gently caress do you do about enemy UAV? Radio jamming? Shoot it? There's an open source project called Skyjack that you might be able to develop on to seize their drones. Either this will give you their UAVs, which is good, or it will make them waste time and money booby trapping their drones, which is at least better than nothing. Keldoclock fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jul 8, 2015 |
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Dolash posted:Brown Moses, since you're in the house, have you got any links about separatist announcements on social media that they shot down a military cargo plane the same day as MH-17 before pulling them? Didn't they think they'd brought down some kind of Antonov at first? Word was they didn't realize it was civilian until men searched the crash site, Ukrainian security services released some unconfirmed audio logs I think of radio chatter where it dawns on them it wasn't a military plane but I guess that's pretty shaky. I can dig more stuff up, but it's posts like the one below your one. What we have found is something we think is rather more compelling. We've dug up social media posts from the morning if July 17th, well before MH17 was shot down, with various people posting about seeing a Buk. The times and locations match the work we've done previously on the videos and photos of the Buk, and adds to the body of evidence showing a Buk travelled through sepertists controlled territory. We've also found other posts from local people shortly after MH17 was shot down where they've seen a missile launched, and that also fits with the launch site we've identified south of Snizhne. I expect next week there's going to be a lot of new reports from Eastern Ukraine, I know as number of journalists are out there now working on stuff.
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Jul 8, 2015 09:27
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I respect the OP for fighing for a cause he believes in, he doesn't try and change the world by posting mind numbing creeds in D&D, he actually does something.
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Bitter Mushroom posted:I respect the OP for fighing for a cause he believes in, he doesn't try and change the world by posting mind numbing creeds in D&D, he actually does something. If only we all had the courage to illegally occupy other countries, the world would be a better place.
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Kill Dozed posted:If only we all had the courage to illegally occupy other countries, the world would be a better place. There's hope: ISIS is fighting for a cause they believe in, too!
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If you're so against it, go and volunteer for ukraine, and kill the OP. I guess making snide comments and digging through social media is easier though
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Bitter Mushroom posted:If you're so against it, go and volunteer for ukraine, and kill the OP. I guess making snide comments and digging through social media is easier though BRB, robbing a bank... for a cause I believe in.
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Bitter Mushroom posted:I respect the OP for fighing for a cause he believes in, he doesn't try and change the world by posting mind numbing creeds in D&D, he actually does something.  Killing people: cool and good as long as you have a cause 
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HoratioRash posted:
This is your answer to a question regarding MH17, from page 1. I just wanted to follow up: From where have you gotten the impression that 1) the report of the Dutch Safety Board is deliberately being stalled, and 2) that the international tribunal that Malaysia has called for will be against Russia (instead of for example separatists, or the Ukrainian armed forces)? Do you feel the international community is out to get Russia?
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Gabriel Pope posted:
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Jul 8, 2015 15:33
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Op I believe in your cause.
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Kill Dozed posted:If only we all had the courage to illegally occupy other countries, the world would be a better place. 
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You got me there. The sun never sets on the English Empire. To stay on topic, OP, why don't you attach bombs to your UAVs?
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OP, how did you feel about Ukraine and its treatment of ethnic Russians before the conflict started? What are your feelings regarding major events that happened there in the past, such as the Orange Revolution?
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Sammus posted:To stay on topic, OP, why don't you attach bombs to your UAVs? Weight and cost. It would be difficult to take anything other than a small hand grenade or 50g of high explosive or something, and to deliver it would either mean huge inaccuracy or destruction of the UAV. A mortar is superior in almost every way. If you want to use a UAV to kill people, the thing it is best suited for is to provide targeting for other weapons.
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Jul 8, 2015 22:43
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OP, I am looking to buy a BRDM can you hook me up?
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Jul 9, 2015 00:38
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Isn't there a precedent of permabanning people who are murderers from the forums?
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-Troika- posted:Isn't there a precedent of permabanning people who are murderers from the forums? Good point.
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Bitter Mushroom posted:If you're so against it, go and volunteer for ukraine, and kill the OP. I guess making snide comments and digging through social media is easier though Hey now don't dismiss Brown Moses' entire career. OP You have the patience of a saint for this thread, thanks for the interesting perspective -Troika- posted:Isn't there a precedent of permabanning people who are murderers from the forums? No, there's plenty of current and former U.S. military and police posters.
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chopper city posted:No, there's plenty of current and former U.S. military and police posters. As I have been thoroughly edified in the other thread, murder is only murder if it is an illegal killing. So most military and most police killings are legal. Not to mention that such bans would be wholly ineffective. Anyone can just use an anonymized payment method and fake info to create an account, and put a few layers in between them and SA's servers. Unless you decided to pay the YOSSEC crew around here some serious money you would probably never be able to connect to their real identity. Of course the alternative is just banning anyone who is under suspicion, but that would be lame. Here's a good question. Horatio, are you a privileged combatant? If you are, why do you plan to kill yourself instead of being taken prisoner? Keldoclock fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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Btw thanks OP, like the thread. Still not clear you aren't a Russian government shill trying to play a softer pro-Russian getting to know you stance that will eventually ignore accurate anti-Russian information, but here's to hoping you are legitimate. That said, there isn't a doubt in my mind that whatever remains in Ukraines current government is still corrupt. Hopefully it is less corrupt than before... not sure it could have been any worse.
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Runaktla posted:Btw thanks OP, like the thread. Still not clear you aren't a Russian government shill trying to play a softer pro-Russian getting to know you stance that will eventually ignore accurate anti-Russian information, but here's to hoping you are legitimate. What Russian agency has the time or money to try and radicalize the Something Awful forums? And what would be the benefits thereof?
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chopper city posted:What Russian agency has the time or money to try and radicalize the Something Awful forums? And what would be the benefits thereof? They heard about D&D's support for the socialist Bernie Sanders, and like this guy Russians love EVE Online so they think the Goons are still a formidible internet force instead of a slowly dying forum.
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chopper city posted:What Russian agency has the time or money to try and radicalize the Something Awful forums? And what would be the benefits thereof?
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chopper city posted:What Russian agency has the time or money to try and radicalize the Something Awful forums? And what would be the benefits thereof? Brown moses is here.
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Brown Moses posted:Did you actually watch the video? Simon visited all the place he'd been, both inside Russia and Ukraine and recreated the photographs, could you explain how he could recreate this photo in Ukraine if it was "unconfirmed, geotagged crap"? Sure, some VIP escort. JcDent posted:How does righteous war of liberation mesh with feeding PoWs their own unit insignias on camera or leading PoWs through the streets for the populace to spit on them, or artillery shooting-and-scooting from living hoods? Pretty funny link, though. "Here's a video of Azov burning people alive. We asked Azov commander about it and he said it's not true, so the video is fake". That the best you got, really? kalstrams posted:Reread you last post OP - one more question. Do you have any particular opinion on usage of word 'project' with respect to Novorossiya? Brown Moses posted:Do you think the Russian MoD holds some responsibility for the SU-25 story becoming so widespread after they mentioned one flying close to MH17 in their July 21st press conference on the downing of MH17? kalstrams posted:They did think they took out an An-26 cargo plane, yes. Sammus posted:You got me there. The sun never sets on the English Empire. Mostly weight issues. We could deliver some light articles, but the fuses make it difficult to airburst. Easier to just correct artillery fire if we'd want someone dead. Keldoclock posted:No concern of snipers killing at 3km? I guess second world militaries are more chickenshit than I thought... Most danger during our operations came from diversionary groups, yes. Ambushes, mines, just waiting for someone to shoot your car up in MG when you're not even on the combat OP. Hunting UAVs is pretty drat magical. FW you can't see, but sometimes a multirotor gets low enough to produce a raging boner on everyone in that area - a shot down UAV is a crate of condensed milk. People celebrate arrival of enemy UAVs by a joyful salute full of tracer fire(Many carry just tracer mags specially for this) and sky turns faaabulous. Skyjack will not work on drones of either side. gunblade posted:This is your answer to a question regarding MH17, from page 1. I just wanted to follow up: From where have you gotten the impression that 1) the report of the Dutch Safety Board is deliberately being stalled, and 2) that the international tribunal that Malaysia has called for will be against Russia (instead of for example separatists, or the Ukrainian armed forces)? Do you feel the international community is out to get Russia? 2) And... what else can I expect for that? UAF? Seriously? And since separatists are not recognized, how can they be held responsible, if the official line is that it's russian regulars and a few "abetters"? Flaky posted:OP, I am looking to buy a BRDM can you hook me up? Yes, I could. Shipping's your responsibility, though. Keldoclock posted:Horatio, are you a privileged combatant? If you are, why do you plan to kill yourself instead of being taken prisoner? Runaktla posted:Btw thanks OP, like the thread. Still not clear you aren't a Russian government shill trying to play a softer pro-Russian getting to know you stance that will eventually ignore accurate anti-Russian information, but here's to hoping you are legitimate. As I said in the thread topic post, I am not here to garner any support, sympathy or anything such. I also do not think I can sway anyone's opinion(Else I'd put a lot more effort in) as that simply isn't needed for me or my country.
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HoratioRash posted:At the perioud of July-October, all Strelkov's messages were done in the official group with the seal of "Strelkov Says" Is there a screenshot of the original?  Here's archived copy of the page.
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So anyway OP, if the story you tell yourself about your motivations for going to Ukraine is that you wanted to stop the genocide and/or ethnic cleansing directed at the Russian speaking population of Ukraine, do you have any information regarding the ethnic cleansing of Russian speakers in areas not controlled by the Separatists? In say, the last 6 months or so? I mean, the are you guys control composes a pretty small part of Russian speaking Ukraine, so...
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1) The work process of the Dutch Safety Board seems quite transparent to me. According to their website the final report can be expected in October. Drafts of the final report have already been submitted to the concerned countries for comments. As far as i knew, the Dutch Safety Board hasn't made any accusations towards Russia so far, and I couldn't find the blacked out page you spoke of in the preliminary report from September 2014. Could you please point me to the report where they did these things? 2) Just because the separatists aren't recognized (as an independent state by Ukraine and the West – I assume this is what you meant), doesn't mean they can't be held responsible for crimes. But I agree that it is probably likely that Russia to some extent will be held responsible for the MH17 incident, when the final report of the Dutch Safety Board is released. Do you feel that this is unfair? Are you of the opinion that the Dutch investigation and the proposed tribunal bear ulterior motives or ill intentions towards Russia?
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What do the rebels want? What is their ideal end game? What is their goal that once achieved they will stop fighting? What would they be willing to live with as a compromise instead of getting everything that they want? How do you feel about other similar situations with Russian nationals in other countries succeeding, ie Moldova, Georgia... Whats the deal with Chechnya? I don't know anything about it, but from my point of view it seems like they want their own country and the Russians aren't cool with it, and the same thing happens in Ukraine, and the Russians are cool with it? As an American, I don't really have a strong "ethnic/nationalistic" sense of identity. Do you really feel more kinship with one person you have never met who is hundreds (maybe thousands? I don't know the geography over there too well?) of miles away in Ukraine than another just because of their language? Or do you just see yourself as helping people who need it and you have an opportunity? Aren't there plenty of other ways to help people in a lot of need without risking your life, and/or harming people, and/or potentially being on the wrong side of a very complicated and unclear geopolitical conflict? What was the tipping point for this to start? For me, I would have to feel very systematically oppressed to violently rebel against my country, and also feel like I have some sort of chance of getting meaningful change. Was this in the works for a long time? Could the Ukrainians have seen this coming and done something to stop it, like spend more money on public works or education in the area, or if their was discrimination against Russian speakers, try to more proactively stop it? Do you feel hate towards the Ukrainians, or do you think that you are just doing what you have to do to protect people? What are your emotions towards the conflict, the rebels the Ukrainians? What was life like in the area before the conflict? Would a Russian and Ukrainian who are neighbors hate each other and never speak? Or did they not live near each other and there were ghettos or something? What level of oppression did Russians face? Could they not be allowed to get certain jobs or something? Or was it more like life sucks maybe it will be better if we start a rebellion? What is the average rebel like? Socially conservative? liberal? Anti- gay? Pro-Abortion? Tolerant? Racist? Anti Semetic? Religious? Well Educated? Farmer? Factory worker? Office worker? Or is there just a huge mix and it's not possible to generalize? What does the average rebel want with their life and where do they see themselves on 20 years? What has changed and what has stayed the same since the start of the conflict? can you still watch TV? see a movie? go to a concert? Buy candy? Go to school? University? Buy new clothes in a store? Buy a car? Send and receive mail? Any organized spots teams playing? Or is it just a war torn hell hole? Would it be possible for someone to keep their head down and just go to their 9-5 and ignore everything as long as they were in an area that didn't see heavy fighting? Is there any form of government or legal system? can you call 999 if you're getting mugged? is there a fire department? Ambulance? People to give parking tickets? Court system? taxes? Thanks. Ice fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jul 9, 2015 |
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I have a question OP... Let's just say that the Ukrainian government shed reasonably as much corruption from its ranks as can possibly be achieved by a government, such that it actually IS ruled by its people and benefits its people, including the people who live in Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts. This would naturally include some reasonable autonomy for independent oblasts/shared power between the central government and its oblasts. I know this is an incredibly huge assumption but let's just say there were significant portrayals of a better life on the other side of the battlefield, in Ukraine, as a result of the corruption being mostly wiped out. Would you support integration with Ukraine with appropriate terms? Why or why not?
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Bitter Mushroom posted:I respect the OP for fighing for a cause he believes in, he doesn't try and change the world by posting mind numbing creeds in D&D, he actually does something. either way he's wasting his life, i guess he's just doing it faster... What a sad thread
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