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Tomn posted:It was a constant stand-off between the elites, the elites, and the citizens, yes. Yeah, if you look at Caesar it seems somewhat obvious that he was aiming to just straight up make himself a king (particularly if you look at that example where Mark Antony offered him a crown and Caesar turned him down three times). The actual Empire and the position of Emperor came about because Augustus realized that maintaining the illusion that "this is totally not a monarchy guys!" was very important if he wanted to rule Rome in any actual capacity. Ofcourse after Augustus dies it rapidly turns out that being the Emperor is much the same as being a king with very undefined but seemingly absolute power to do just about whatever the hell you want until someone with an army deposes you. Tomn posted:Edit: Also the fact that everyone was worried about a popularity-based coup meant that it was almost impossible to implement any kind of political reform without being accused of making a bid for total state control, which was kind of an issue when the political structure was running an enormous empire yet large unchanged from the days when Rome was a single city. The Romans did introduce lots of new legislation during the life of the Roman Republic. It's just that they essentially never got rid of old laws or traditions, the Romans were super conservative like that, and it should be remembered that it was also tightly bound up with religion and the sacred. The legislature of the Roman Republic is kind of like a crazy old hoarder's house. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 06:49 on May 20, 2018 |
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Ofaloaf posted:But you just said the same thing twice?? The empire replaced the republic. I'm talking about reforms that allow thr republic to keep on trucking as a republic.
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Oh, and for those who aren't familiar with it, here's how an EU: Rome Republic worked. I don't expect the system to remain unchanged, since there were a lot of problems with it, but it could be interesting for those trying to predict how Rome: Imperator works. So first, imagine the Stellaris faction system, only instead of making the factions happy by fulfilling their conditions, you instead increase the number of seats they have in the Senate relative to the other factions by fulfilling their conditions (so the religious party gets bigger with more temples built, the militarists get more seats with a larger army, etc.). Now imagine that the factions also worked like the Council Positions in Conclave, where militarists will always vote in favor of war, while mercantilists will only vote in favor of war if they think it's an easy target, and populists are generally against war of any kind, etc. etc. for all kinds of diplomatic actions. Now further imagine that every party has characters associated with them, and by placing them in positions of power they increase the size of their party, so you end up being leery of using your best general because he's also a populist and you don't want to increase populist influence in the Senate, or staffing your key government posts with blithering incompetents because you want to increase the power of the mercantilists so that you can set up more trade links with nations that aren't entirely friendly with you yet. And now imagine that if any one party becomes too predominant, especially the populists, you can end up with a civil war on your hands as said party seeks to reform the government to fit their tastes by force. This is separate from a civil war that might trigger if one of your generals gets too many loyal legions under his belt and seeks to declare himself dictator-for-life, which could eventually end up becoming a hereditary monarchy. And that's the EU: Rome Republican experience. I'm less sure of how their monarchy works.
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Tomn posted:Rome: Imperator
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Charlz Guybon posted:The empire replaced the republic. I'm talking about reforms that allow thr republic to keep on trucking as a republic. 
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If one of your generals overthrew the Republic in eu rome, what happened? Do you lose, or are you now just stuck with an empire?
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Fister Roboto posted:This is how Stellaris should have been, but they had to throw in an awful tile management system too. Good news! 
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God bless Wiz. How many people are crying on the paradox forums about simplification of population management regarding this change?
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Red Bones posted:If one of your generals overthrew the Republic in eu rome, what happened? Do you lose, or are you now just stuck with an empire? My memory of the exact mechanics are hazy, but they'd first set up a dictatorship which was kind of like a mini-monarchy in how it functioned, but which was theoretically non-hereditary and temporary. If the dictator managed to finagle things so that his son inherited, though, there was a strong chance of becoming a formal monarchy, at which point you just play like a monarch. The game was based on EU, so you played the same nation no matter what gyrations your government takes and no matter how many rebels break your country. I can't quite recall if a monarchy could transition peacefully to a republic, though. Koramei posted:That sounds loving sick It was neat, but it had its issues. Notably the things that influenced faction influence weren't terribly well-balanced and it could be difficult to shift influence one way or another once it got entrenched, which might have been realistic but was also a frustrating pain in the rear end. Especially when the Senate didn't want to accept a peace offer you desperately wanted to take to get yourself out of a doomed war that the AI hadn't yet recognized as such.
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If you're interested in the late Roman Republic and are up for some heavy reading you should check out the Masters of Rome series by Cathleen McCullough. It's a dramatisation of the fall of the Republic that goes from the the Rise of Marius and Sulla all the way to the final defeat of Mark Antony and the ascension of Augustus. It is pretty heavy though and makes Game of Thrones look like the trite rubbish it is.
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really queer Christmas posted:Good news!  WIZ YOU loving LEGEND
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really queer Christmas posted:Good news! Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:God bless Wiz.
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FYI someone on Reddit made this to troll Vicky fans, it's fake.
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RabidWeasel posted:FYI someone on Reddit made this to troll Vicky fans, it's fake.
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I think Johan is doing a PDXCon exclusive look at Imperator right now, so hopefully we should get some more details coming through in the next hour or so.
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project frasier better be a point-and-click adventure game where you play as dr frasier crane
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From reddit: Parts of Scandinavia and Germania have been filled out since that picture. Also, apparently the map is convex when zoomed out? 
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Project Lonely Fish is clearly a CK-based game set in the Cambrian era where you play one of the various early oceanic lifeforms seeking to create a stable, lasting, and widespread "dynasty" of species by breeding with as many other lifeforms within your reproductive range with beneficial traits as you can. It's CK2 eugenics elevated to an entire game!
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Tomn posted:Project Lonely Fish is clearly a CK-based game set in the Cambrian era where you play one of the various early oceanic lifeforms seeking to create a stable, lasting, and widespread "dynasty" of species by breeding with as many other lifeforms within your reproductive range with beneficial traits as you can. It's CK2 eugenics elevated to an entire game! this would be rad as gently caress though
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Tomn posted:Project Lonely Fish is clearly a CK-based game set in the Cambrian era where you play one of the various early oceanic lifeforms seeking to create a stable, lasting, and widespread "dynasty" of species by breeding with as many other lifeforms within your reproductive range with beneficial traits as you can. It's CK2 eugenics elevated to an entire game! So the fun part of Spore turned into a whole game, I like
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Potzblitz! posted:I'm fairly surprised by the lukewarm reaction to Rome 2 itt (and I'd love Vicky3, don't get me wrong). It's been long overdue and it's a perfect setting. Also, there are too few games set in antiquity and most of them are bad. Ffs AssScreed Origins might be the best game set in antiquity ever, what the gently caress. I'm fairly excited but we don't know all that much yet. And most of my historical knowledge is all after Rome starts kicking everyone around so I can't get that excited about wars and peoples as I don't really know any other than Rome, Carthage and Egypt. Is Babylon still around at this start? Persia? Judea? I guess I know those groups too.
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Babylon got conquered by Persia which was in turn conquered by Alexander who died. They're both controlled by the Seleucid empire at this point. Judea gets passed back and forth between the different successor states until it is finally conquered by Rome.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Babylon got conquered by Persia which was in turn conquered by Alexander who died. They're both controlled by the Seleucid empire at this point. Judea gets passed back and forth between the different successor states until it is finally conquered by Rome. Rome didn't so much conquer Judea as completely break Seleucid power in the East and install their own client kings. The Romans would later establish more direct control once the Jews proved unruly and rebellious. The city of Babylon had largely been abandoned in favor of Seleukeia at this point in time I believe, though 304 BC (right? I think someone said that that's the start) may be early enough that I might be wrong. Alexander only died 20 years before and he ruled from Babylon. e: Hmm... That means Demetrius Poliorcetes might be available for play. He's one of the more colorful of the generals who vied for power directly following Alexander's death. Made some interesting siege machines trying and failing to take Rhodes. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 13:25 on May 20, 2018 |
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Yeah, this is the immediate post-Alexander period, so the Diadochi are in full swing. Babylon hasn't been a thing for a couple of hundred years at this point. Speaking of the Diadochi, the classicist on my discord is getting mad that the Seleucids are call the Seleucids when Phrygia and Egypt are just Phrygia and Egypt.  Also I just realised that those WWSMS loons will finally have their way- this game is going to have to have the Garamantes in it.
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Tomn posted:Project Lonely Fish is clearly a sequel to Seaman for the Sega Dreamcast
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Autonomous Monster posted:Speaking of the Diadochi, the classicist on my discord is getting mad that the Seleucids are call the Seleucids when Phrygia and Egypt are just Phrygia and Egypt. "Egypt" works well for the Ptolemies I think. "Syria" as shorthand is often used for the Seleucid Empire, though mostly towards the latter end of the era when that was more definitely their seat of power and their hold on the east had become very tenuous or even slipped away entirely.
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Jazerus posted:the romans viewed scandinavia as a portal to the realm of infinite germanic tribes so hopefully there will be waves of displacements outward from off-map scandinavia So it was kind of like Warhammer Fantasy.
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Beware the hordes of Gog and Magog banished and sealed away by Alexander the Great beyond the mountains of the Caucasus.
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Project Lonely Fish places you in the role of Phil Fish and restricts your interaction with the game world to a single twitter feed. By interacting with your fellow social media enthusiasts through friendliness, mockery, argument, flattery, and wicked burns you must balance your ego, happiness, social circle and emotional health. Both victory and defeat take the form of your family doing an intervention, tearing you away from social media, and you're scored on what state you're in at that point.
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Mauryas are going to be the Ming of this game I think. They're going to blob all over the subcontinent and stubbornly fail to collapse long past schedule.
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Hashim posted:From reddit: C...con...convex?! Are they finally just projecting the map to a sphere? 
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Fintilgin posted:C...con...convex?! Are they finally just projecting the map to a sphere? you can't have a three-dimensional map, man. that's madness. how would you even fold it?
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Autonomous Monster posted:Also I just realised that those WWSMS loons will finally have their way- this game is going to have to have the Garamantes in it. WWSMS?
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Hashim posted:From reddit: Armenia 
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Farecoal posted:WWSMS? When The World Stopped Making Sense, a CK2 mod set after the fall of the western Roman empire or something like that
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:If you're interested in the late Roman Republic and are up for some heavy reading you should check out the Masters of Rome series by Cathleen McCullough. It's a dramatisation of the fall of the Republic that goes from the the Rise of Marius and Sulla all the way to the final defeat of Mark Antony and the ascension of Augustus. It is pretty heavy though and makes Game of Thrones look like the trite rubbish it is. Warning for anyone reading this series: Caesar is a HUGE mary sue. Near the end, he's literally portrayed as a superhuman envisioning the future of all Europe. Everyone against him is portrayed as a coward, incompetent, corrupt, or both. The best of the books are the ones that happen up to Sulla's death.
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TheBalor posted:Warning for anyone reading this series: Caesar is a HUGE mary sue. Near the end, he's literally portrayed as a superhuman envisioning the future of all Europe. Everyone against him is portrayed as a coward, incompetent, corrupt, or both. The best of the books are the ones that happen up to Sulla's death. This, for real. It gets so bad that Caesar's Women can be skipped entirely without missing anything truly important because it devolves into a panegyric. Also the author likes to dwell on Caesar's huge dick, all the damned time. Basically everything not directly involving Caesar is pretty good, though.
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