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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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H13 posted:

Hey all.

My Pro Tools computer is a few years old now. I got a great deal on RAM a few months ago so I jammed 64GB of RAM in there. However Pro Tools is telling me it's running out of processing power. As I said, the computer's a few years old so I'm wondering if it's time for an upgrade.

At the moment, I have a 2600k processor in it. Are there any noteworthy upgrades to this processor or should I just be happy with the "charm" that Pro Tools has?

audio normally doesn't need that much power. what kind of hellish effects chains are you running?

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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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H13 posted:

This is the part where I mention that Devin Townsend is my idol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvCwvfGJq_k

In reality, I can only play\record bass and guitar. So everything is a virtual instrument. That poo poo adds up amazingly quickly. Especially when you (poorly) add mastering plugins.

ok, yep. :ms:

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Glenn Quebec posted:

Hello thread. I'm in the U.S. and I am due for an upgrade on my gaming PC. I think that my weak area is my CPU but I'm not 100% on that. I do know that I'm gonna grab a new GPU on Black Friday/Cyber Monday or whatever because I give my old parts to my nephew to tinker with and upgrade his own system. Uhm, my resolution is 1920 x 1080 and I have a mix of SATA and SSD. Here is my comp:

CPU: i5-4570 @3.2
GPU: GTX 970
RAM: 16gigs
MOBO: ASRock B85M Pro4 (CPUSocket)


My question is: What pops out as needing an immediate upgrade?

That's mine exactly too, and I don't feel it needs an upgrade. I'd spring for a fancy monitor, maybe? Then if that brings your framerate down, get a new gfx card.

sebmojo fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Oct 30, 2016

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Pon de Bundy posted:

So I can install a new motherboard and CPU and I won't have to reinstall Windows or basically I need a whole new rig ? Can I just install a new motherboard and CPU and be good to go ?

do some googling about the reinstall: if you wipe all the drivers first then put in the new parts Windows should sort itself out, I did it and it worked fine for an earlier version.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Hey goons, pricing up a deal for my brother who wants a box for his kid to do video editing, music and general use stuff (maybe a little gaming too). Is a decent amd chip, 16 gig, and an ssd/hd a good combo for that? What is the gaming price performance champ at the moment, aiming at a little under a gtx970 for power?

In nz so parts are probably expensive, https://www.pricespy.co.nz is a good site.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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No reason you can't do a bit at a time, just watch guarantee times i guess.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Hdip posted:

My dad finally needs a new desktop computer for his home office. Sooner is better than later. So pre-built is what I"m looking at. Dell outlet's still a good place to get something right? It's for appraisal software that runs on windows. Nothing super intense. We do use it as the server so the other computer in the office can work off it though. I'd like it to have an SSD and another HD for storing photos. 16 gig ram. Don't really have any other requirements.

How about this?

Inspiron 5680 Desktop
Tech Specs
Intel Core 8th Generation i7-8700 Processor (6 Core,Up to 4.60GHz,12MB Cache,65W)
Windows 10 Home 64bit English
128GB M.2 SATA3 Class 20 Solid State Drive
2TB 3.5inch SATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
16GB (2x8GB) 2400MHz DDR4 UDIMM Non-ECC
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB GDDR5
Dell Outlet Inspiron 5680 Desktop

Original Price$1,250.00
Total Savings$187.00
Standard ShippingFREE
Outlet Price$1,063.00

Just get that one? Or is there somewhere else I should be shopping too? Thanks.

The processor and graphics card seem massive overkill

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Yeah i reckon, that's still a solid piece of kit

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Hi, looking for a solid, cheapish build for my brother and his son to do light video editing, general use, and possibly a bit of gaming. Does this look a decent setup?

Cooler Master MasterBox MB600L Gunmetal Black ATX MidTower Gaming Case $102.35
Gigabyte GeForce GTX1050Ti Graphics Card 4GB GDDR5, GPU Upto 1442 MHz, Single Fan $234.99
AMD Ryzen 5 2600 6 Core,12 Threads up to 3.9 GHz Max Boost, Socket AM4, 19MB total Cache $275.00
Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666MHz CL15 - Black (Intel XMP, AMD Ryzen) HX426C15FBK2/8 $102.35
Gigabyte GA-B450M-DS3H mATX Motherboard, AMD B450 Chipset, For AMD Ryzen AM4,4X DDR4-3200, M.2 $148.99
Samsung 860 EVO MZ-76E250BW 250GB , Samsung V-NAND, SATA III 6GB/s, R/W(Max) 550MB/s/520MB/s, 2.5" $98.99 inc GST
Seagate BarraCuda 3TB SATA3 3.5 inch 256MB Cache 6Gb/s 5400rpm Internal HDD ( 2 years warranty ) $148.35 inc GST
Cooler Master MWE BRONZE 450W 80Plus Bronze PSU MEPS Approved 86/88/85 , Low Noise, 3 Year warranty $74.99 inc GST
Microsoft Windows Home 10 64bit OEM Eng Intl 1PK DSP OEI DVD

Total $1465

System builder here

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Lutha Mahtin posted:

I'm not familiar with buying parts in NZ but you might want to look at a different SSD. The 860 Evo is over a year old and a lot of companies are making good drives now that are cheaper than Samsung. That motherboard also supports NVMe M.2 drives, which will be faster than a SATA drive.

Good to know I was going on old knowledge from the last time I built a pc. And yeah I'm trying to convince him to build but he's nervous about it, haha.

Is the Transcend MTS820 240GB M.2 SATA a better SSD choice?

I swapped out the power supply for an EVGA 550W Gold with a 5 year warranty.

sebmojo fucked around with this message at 00:28 on May 18, 2019

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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orange juche posted:

It's still a SATA drive in an M.2 form factor, you won't be taking up a drive bay or whatever, but you will lose some SATA ports, and the drive will be no faster than the maximum speed for a SATA drive.

Right. I think Crucial used to be bad, but are they ok these days? This one for e.g.: Crucial P1 500GB NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 up to 1,900 MB/s Read, 950 MB/s Write, 5 years Warranty

^^^ thanks!

sebmojo fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 18, 2019

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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orange juche posted:

That build I made won't save any money really because it's really hard to find PC parts that are available for a decent price in middle earth.

:negative: Yeah, I think I might just suggest the prebuilt, I like building computers but I think my bro will find it stressful (even though he can literally build a house from scratch, it's weird)

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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orange juche posted:

It will however likely be more reliable/live longer, almost entirely down to the quality of the power supply, as the prebuilt one comes with a rather questionable one, as they're only willing to extend a 3 year warranty on it. That and motherboards are usually where system builders of all stripes cheap out on parts.

It's prebuilt in the sense that they build it for you, but the parts are selectable - I swapped out the power supply for a gold rated EVGA 550W.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Stickman posted:

But a 4GB RX 570 is actually cheaper ($215 for a ~50% performance boost over a 1050 Ti)! The MSi Armor's cooling isn't that great, but for that price it's a steal compared to a 1050 Ti. 580s start at $360, but I'd probably stick with the 570.

E: The 4GB 570 will have maybe 5-10% less performance than the 8GB 480 in this Babeltech benchmark. If you know some of the more intensive games they might want to play, this should give you a sense of the performance they'd get on high/ultra settings.

E: If you don't already have a Windows 10 key, you can save some money by getting a Windows 7 Pro key from SAMart for $10 US and using that to activate Windows 10 Pro. If you have any old Windows 7/8 keys lying around, those should work too!


The Crucial MX500 is a great SSD. The P1 is a new (to consumers) QLC drive, which focuses on budget over endurance. The Intel 660p was the first SSD released in this class Despite requiring a NVMe interface and an M.2 slot, it's actual performance is right around mx500-level for most applications. Because of their potentially lower endurance and because they're new enough that we just don't know how they'll turn out, it's tough to recommend QLC for primary system drives right now - I'd stick with an 860 EVO or MX500, whichever's cheaper.

That's awesome info, thanks! We've agreed that I will buy the computer since I owe him some money, so I might assemble it and save the cash.

For the video card I was going on the 1050ti being only a little weaker than a 970 (which I have and is still very competent) but if I can get that much of a boost from going amd I might as well. It's not primarily a gaming machine but free power is free power.

E: yeah this comparison is fairly compelling

sebmojo fucked around with this message at 05:15 on May 18, 2019

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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I still like my 4570, tbh. Maybe an amd rysen?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Agent355 posted:



EE: I twiddle with so many switches and knobs I'm not sure which one ultimately worked but I got it to boot so whatever.

pc_building.txt

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









mods rear end posted:

I'm going to try to build a small gaming system. I haven't built any PCs since c. 2000, so I don't know WTF is good anymore. Here's the specifics:

Location: Central MS, US
Uses: Web/Office, coding, gaming, maybe CAD if I can pick it up again
Budget: Under 1500 USD, the less, the better
Games: I don't play AAA titles normally, although I'm likely to make an exception for Bethesda RPGs. I mostly play 4Xs, ARPGs, TB/RTSs, and roguelikes.
Graphics: I want 2 24" monitors, but I only need to run games on one (other will be in portrait mode for web & documents). I will settle for 1080p60 High but 1440p60 High would be nice. I can cast to a 40" HDTV also and may do that from time to time when the housemate isn't using it. No plans to switch to 4k until it is basically required.
Special: There is an rear end in a top hat cat around who will osmotically enter the PC. Hope I remember to keep it clean!

What I picked:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($159.99 @ Newegg Business)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Shadow Rock LP 51.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($44.80 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B450 GAMING-ITX/AC Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard ($109.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($57.20 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi - Travelstar 1 TB 2.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($478.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Silverstone - RVZ03 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($146.86 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Silverstone - 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1306.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-27 15:11 EDT-0400

Please tell me how I hosed up and why (especially if you think I will need less power).

You don't need 32 gig of memory except for specialist applications, I would spend that money on bigger hard drives, like a 500gb ssd and a bigger hd. I think the ryzen coolers are fairly good, so not sure if you need a stand alone cooler? Could be wrong on that.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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iddqd posted:

A coworker has tasked me with looking over and “approving” his list of components. Unfortunately, I spoke before I realized I don’t know much about the current components on the market.

His budget is $800 and he will primarily be using it for statistical analysis (no idea what software) but he also wants to be able to play games like Civ 5 but no shooters or anything much more graphical. He has a 1080p monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2jRp7W

Would anyone do me the favor of looking over that part list and send offering a quick critique please?

Looks good, I'd get a win 7 key from sa mart and save 75 bucks, it is legit and works fine (download the free win10pro installer from ms and enter the key).

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Stickman posted:

You don't need to install Windows 7 - the key will work directly with Windows 10. You might have to call the support number to get it working, but I think it's mostly authenticated automatically.

It worked fine with me, install 10 off a usb, select pro and I don't have a key, then activate when it's installed.

Win 7 install didn't even work with the ryzen 2600, it wouldn't recognise the kb/m.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Yeah that's fine

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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poisonpill posted:

Well, I upgraded from a 970 to a 2060 on a whim and now the computer does nothing when the power button is pressed. That’ll teach me to do anything.

Edit: Annnd it's fixed! Some wire must've come loose. Took stuff out and put them back in. :shrug:

system_building.txt

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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I had that when I started, and it just took a long time for its first POST. can't offer any other help but I did get it going.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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uwimage posted:

It's when he's playing games...not getting mad at me, he's an awesome kid that will be done with his first semester of college when he graduates high school with a 4.8 GPA.

You sound annoying, I'm glad I don't know you personally.

Thanks for the parenting lesson....how many kids do you have?

And thanks for the help on my question.....

this is not the way to respond to a reasonably polite comment after the thread has just helped you out

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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SnatchRabbit posted:

Thanks, I might try that. What real world benefits would I see from upping the timings and/or speed vis a vis gaming ? From the few ryzen 3000 memory videos I've seen you start to hit diminishing returns at 3200MHz. Would the timings help with microstutters? What it really boils down to is if I want to spend the time messing with my RAM settings and if its worth it for the benefit.

My understanding is ram timings only ever make a tiny difference unless there's a specific issue that they fix.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Thom P. Tiers posted:

I love seeing people still using this chip. What a legendary processor.

I'm really struggling to find a reason for upgrading my 4570/gtx 970. Everything still just works, at 1080p anyway.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Mu Zeta posted:

I'm not sure if you noticed but your motherboard costs $600 :psyduck:

that's literally 600 dollars, like you could make a pile of dollars that was 600 high.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Hello Best Thread. I'm finally upgrading my gtx 970, what's the current price/performance champ: 2070?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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I was thinking it would be good to future proof with ray tracing, but is the 2070 going to be a bit under powered for it?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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I'm on a i5 4570 and haven't yet seen any convincing need for an upgrade.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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None of that is going to be very effective, upgrades to ssd (if you haven't got one) gfx card or processor in that order are normally the best ones.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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No you're not dumb, it's a nightmare area where you can spend hundreds of dollars for no real benefit. Read this thread for a week or two though and you'll get all the knowledge you need, it's amazing.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Gonna upgrade my gfx from 970 to 5700xt, are there any brands to watch out for or pick in preference?

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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sebmojo posted:

Gonna upgrade my gfx from 970 to 5700xt, are there any brands to watch out for or pick in preference?

This is the store I'm likely to use, for reference.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Stickman posted:

You'll want a dual-fan card - the blower 5700xts are universally hot and loud. Unfortunately, the ASRock Challenger doesn't have any official reviews I could find - from trip reports it sounds like it's loud but decently cool. ASRock doesn't have a best track record with their cooling systems, though.

That leaves the Sapphire Pulse as your cheapest option I'd heartily recommend (and it's a good card). The Gigabyte Gaming OC, Sapphire Nitro+, and several of the top-end cards are also good, just more expensive.

thanks very much, i think quiet would be nice so might go for the gigabyte

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Just a check in to say that the 5700xt doubled my frame rate, but needed a little fiddling with the fan curve to stop being so loud.

I still rate the 970gtx though: even though it's a solid upgrade there is nothing currently available that absolutely requires more, so if you still have a decent 970 don't feel you have to upgrade yet (at 1080, anyway). I gave my 970 to a friend, who is gonna get a 100% upgrade of his own :unsmith:

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Stickman posted:

If you can stretch your budget to $410, the 5700 XT is a fantastic 1440p card (go with a Sapphire Pulse, Powercolor Red Dragon, or Gigabyte Gaming OC) and is about a 90% improvement over the 590's graphical processing power. The 5700 is a good choice, too, but you're losing ~15-20% performance for $50.

If you want RTX, the 2060 or 2060 super are decent upgrades over the 590, but not as cost-effective for raster performance. The 1660 Ti is really too small a boost to recommend spending a good chunk of change on (~20% improvement).

E: Here's some pretty comprehensive benchmarks!


Yeah, 970 is definitely still a solid card, though there's a few games that'll choke on the 3.5GB of VRAM. Which 5700 XT model did you end up getting? Have you had any game-specific issues?

Sapphire ... Pro? I think? No game specific issues, I've heard it gets coil whine sometimes in which case I'll probably try returning it and getting another.

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sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


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Bank posted:

Sidetrack: I've been reading this thread for weeks contemplating a new build and I can't believe studios are making games that require stupidly expensive machines to really enjoy :(

I now remember why I bought my $200 Xbox One.

Still gonna build a new computer though.

I mean they're not, really? Like I said above until I upgraded I was on ok 2013 hardware and everything ran very well.

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