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Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Knowing that HRC's staff was almost exclusively trust fund babies give some additional context but still holy gently caress, two term President Bill Clinton stands up and says "Guys I know this may sound crazy but maybe we should try to get people to vote FOR us" and everyone in the room just goes "LOL whatever whitesplaining grandpa :rolleyes:". Just god drat.

Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 15:32 on Nov 11, 2016

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Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Peel posted:

theory: lena dunham, or whichever celebrity you dislike who endorsed clinton, had a neglibile effect on the election or a slightly positive effect among a demographic you aren't part of, while nobody else cared, and is a topic somehow even more pointless than relitigating the primary

I wasn't familiar with who she was or that she was a HRC surrogate until after the election but I think she's a good short hand example of some of their campaign's backwards priorities and attitudes. They invested in surrogates that only appeal to rich white women and that people outside that group view as a basket of insufferables.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Last year a few minutes up the road from me, 15 white supremacists in pickup trucks waving confederate flags rolled up to a child's birthday party screaming the n word and threatening to kill people. My wife and I stood in line for over an hour to vote for a candidate that we both hated because we were afraid of what people like that would think they could get away with under Trump. All the while HRC is running a 2 billion dollar circle jerk instead of a real political campaign.

And if a group of Neo-Nazis decide its time to go full RaHoWa and start caving my neighbors skulls in? These self entitled fucks who ran this poo poo show will say from their safe little enclaves "Don't you wish you were #WithHer now?" while live tweeting their Esty results for designer bug out bags.

God, just gently caress these people forever.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

So what is Bernie going to tell us in his speech tonight? How we all collectively failed him and don't deserve his pity?

This city is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "OK."

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah, the key point being that they're not on the left at all. They're typically from a well off class of people who can still afford to live in urban zones despite the massive property values, and are completely insulated from any real working class hardships. Dunham herself is the daughter of two successful artists who have careers spanning decades, and they gave her at least $65,000 to produce Tiny Furniture, which she cut most of the labor costs for by convincing her friends & family to act and produce it.

The only reason they're not Republicans is because of the aesthetic stigma of being anti-LGBTQ, or racist. They interpret the world as a spectacle, so of course they'd be enamored by the spectacular celebrity-fueled campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Trump's campaign for sure was no less spectacular, but it was a hard & ugly gutteral spectacle - like a professional wrestling event. Something none of them could ever relate to.

Pretty much.

I have to admit, part of me takes satisfaction in the idea that if socialists manage to take over the Democratic party from the inside these self-indulgent types will flee to the Republicans so fast it will break the sound barrier when some technological nick knack costs $15 more because the people making it are paid a living wage and their local high school has a black prom king because every school in the country has been desegregated.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Crowsbeak posted:

They don't care that he's black so much, its the fact he's poor that scares them. How dare their children be exposed to the fact this nation is unequal.

They haven't even seen Hamilton or the Harry Potter movies! How can children be expected to learn when their classrooms are filled with people with no culture?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

GlyphGryph posted:

Okay, here, I'm going to make it as absolutely simple for you as possible.

Give me three examples where Hillary Clinton expressly states, with no equivocation, that the future for the target audience will be better than what they have right now.

Do the paid speeches where she told Wall Street that they are the smartest people in the room and should regulate themselves count?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

So who does David Brock blame for Hillary's loss?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-im-angry_us_5845e45de4b0496fbcb0c2f5?section=us_politics

Here's the short list

1. FBI Director James Comey
2. The Media
3. Russia
4. Fake News Sites
5. Republicans
6. Jill Stein
7. Mysoginysts
8. Millenials
9. Trump's anti-semitic campaign

The man is some sort of political cartoon goblin brought to life.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Serf posted:

every time they try to make Keith seem bad, I just find him more relatable

Sure the DNC establishment may be full of empty suits filled with bullshit, wall street cash, and platitudes, but what if I told you that Keith Ellison had unpaid parking tickets 25 years ago!?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Aurubin posted:

Gonna be fun if Keith gets a dozen questions about THAC0 but nobody asks Tom about prestige classes.

FTFY

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Serf posted:

hillary clinton had more money than our lord god jesus h. christ of nazareth but she still had to charge $20 for a fuckin yard sign

From her perspective, what is that? The cost of two bananas? Don't working people just have that lying around in the lean-tos or orc huts they live in?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Thoguh posted:

Lol, it isn't satire? Its real?

I know we life in the bizzaro universe but I still can't believe they've named a it the Third Way. This would be like if the Republicans had a think tank for minority outreach named the Southern Strategy.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Thoguh posted:

Obama just commuted Manning's sentence. I'm super surprised by that given his usual stance on whistleblowers.

:agreed: but I'll take it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

quote:

Now, under the terms of Mr. Obama’s commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed in five months, on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

etalian posted:

lmao what a bunch of failures, they would rather lose on their centrist third way bull poo poo than win with progressive candidates who will win back the working class.

*leans into microphone*

Correct

They would rather have Trump poo poo all over the country for 8 years and run a platform of poo poo but with maybe some corn kernels in it than risk fundamental change to the system. There are no sweet, well paid, lobbying positions at the end of the road for them with progressive change.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

We've got to bring the party together. Now excuse me while I needlessly antagonize Bernie supporters.

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Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Can't wait for the primary debate where Hillary refuses to commit to re-instituting a ban on child labor and instead direct voters to her website where they can read about her proposal that a child's work hours should apply towards college internship requirements (this applies only to certain majors and will be treated as taxable income based on its per credit hour equivalent cost).

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Nonsense posted:

The good thing on Democrat's side is that the prediction that a shitload of desperate insane white people and idiotic minorities voted against their best interests, again, holds true, and Trump is basically dismantling everything rural America relies on.

Voting against their own interests only holds true if we assume that the Democrats care about these people, which they don't. Over half the country would be wiped out by a $500 emergency. People are god drat completely loving desperate and will vote for anything that looks like change regardless of how horrible it is. If Cory Booker runs on a platform of more centrism and managed decline, he would lose in a landslide to a Swastika tattoo covered Neo-Nazi whose campaign platform is to put a bullet in the head of everyone who works in Hollywood or Wall St.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

DaveWoo posted:

Some Dems are getting it

“I think this whole economic message thing is real overblown, and I don’t think it’s accurate. We have been losing blue-collar workers for years — 20 plus years — and our message has always been the right message,” Fudge told reporters.

“I think we have to look deeper. Because if we only talk about an economic message, we’re not going to win the next election. We have to figure out how to get to the hearts of these people.”

"Our economic policies have been hemorrhaging voters for decades, but we're right so it must be something else." They are not capable of understanding something that their donors require that they don't understand.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

FuriousxGeorge posted:

It certainly undercut their lesser of two evils argument when they tried to put the greater evil in a position to be competitive in the first place.

Turns out if America has to vote for poo poo, they'll vote for the massive bowl-winding turd over the soft pile of rabbit pellets.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

I 100% agree that the Democrats are a capitalist party. They represent people who make money by investing existing wealth into trade or business investments as opposed to a labor or worker's party that represents people that make money by selling their labor creating goods or providing services. That's the loving problem.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

anime was right posted:

florida is doomed to be a neoliberal hellhole for all eternity

That's a little pessimistic. I mean, I doubt they'll be too many neoliberals left in the state once climate change makes vast swaths of it uninhabitable.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Oh Snapple! posted:

5 million more people will have health insurance than if they'd done nothing you gently caress!!!

They still can't afford to see a doctor and will still go bankrupt if they get sick but drat it they still "have" insurance. What more do you want?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Tight Booty Shorts posted:

No they're not

Dude the Dems have failed everything they ever set out to do :psyduck:

Now that's not entirely fair. They made sure that no one on Wall Street even went to trail for fraud, made sure no one lost a penny of their bonuses, and they're now making more money then ever. Arms manufacturers made bank on all the Hellfire missiles we've been incinerating brown people's children with. There was a bit of hiccup on DAPL and killing Net Neutrality but that looks like its going to get smoothed over fairly quickly by the new administration.

The only real black marks are failing to privatize Social Security and failing to pass TPP. The former though is because the Republicans had a brain aneurysm during the sequester and the later is more because of some orange-faced steak salesmen and a 90,000 year old Vermont Jew whose not even a Democrat so those really shouldn't count anyway.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

I know these people live in their little Henry bubbles and haven't experienced a nanosecond of real hardship in their lives, but it's still difficult to comprehend how broke-brained you need to be to complain about only being able to set aside vacation and retirement money that is well over what a median household makes in a year and expect it to evoke sympathy.

Can't you peasants take a moment away from working yourselves to death to appreciate the problems of your betters? :qq:

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

The 2016 election was an Emperor has no clothes moment for the Third Way types and I don't see how they can unbreak that spell. The image that they are Reasonable Pragmatists and the Smartest People in the Room that could Win Elections has been replaced with the reality they are a bunch if idiot beltway fucks with their junk hanging out that jerk off to algorithms that can't do math and are completely unable manage even the basics of a political campaign.

I don't think people that were voting Democrat because, even if they were garbage, they were less bad then the Republicans but we thought they could win elections are coming back. In the last elections, something like 90 thousand people in Michigan left the top of the ticket blank and those are the people that slogged out to the polls. That's only going to get worse unless the Democrats change. Down in GA, I stood in line for over an hour to vote for a candidate that I hated, knew never represented me and never would, and would actively fought to be held to the Democratic platform promises every second she was office and I feel like a loving idiot for doing so and encouraging the people around me to do the same. I'm not doing this again if they run Cory Booker or some other skin suit filled with donor cash on a platform of TORMP BAD and RUSSIA.

Frankly I'm having a hard time getting pissed off about Trump because of how poo poo the Democrats are. I'm supposed to get mad about Trump dropping bombs on people because he's a Brutal Savage and support the Democrats bombing the same people because they are Enlightened Pragmatists? I'm supposed to get mad at Trump on DAPL or Net Neutrality when the Obama administration had to be protested and shamed into slow walking it? Why should I get mad about an oil executive being directly part of Trump's cabinet instead of their pet gently caress boy? Democrats anger toward Trump isn't that he is loving people but that he is fat moron oaf who refuses to use the hole in the sheet like a Enlightened, Respectable Statesmen. gently caress them.

Anyway, I'll take a six piece with sides of red beans and rice. Yeah for both sides.

Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 19:00 on Mar 25, 2017

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


In a Shyamalan twist, the Democratic party is already dead.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


What happend? Did their check bounce?

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


So a reason that Hillary lost is that the percentage of young men who believe supporting a family on a single income is both possible and preferable peaked in the 1990s while the Clintons were in the Whitehouse. I... agree?

EDIT-Oh, I'm still on my coffee this morning and completely misread that graph.

Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 13:56 on Apr 1, 2017

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Relevant Tangent posted:

Yeah, I wonder how much of that is just people misunderstanding the question/not reading carefully. Because if I came across that question in a survey I'd probably gently caress it up on the first read through.

Digging up a study from 2015, I think it's still in the ball park though. 10-15 percent of 16-29 year old men are agree that men should be the primary bread winner than older men.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/relationships/11822387/Millennial-men-are-more-sexist-than-their-middle-aged-fathers.html

Where it gets weird though is on other women's rights issues, they are less conservative.

quote:

Young men are more likely to support women's rights than older men. However, these findings suggest that this generation is less likely to consider gender roles in the home to be a feminist issue.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

At rate Democrats are going, looking forward to thumbing through the DNC 2016 autopsy report “One in Four Americans Russian Agent (and some of their pets)” while getting blind drunk.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Sounds OK until you realize there's no policy message and that Koch Industries is considered a conglomerate of small businesses for tax purposes. They could probably meet their quota from think tanks, military contractors, and investment groups without leaving the beltway. Then it sounds like they plan on running as Republican-but-slightly-less-poo poo on women's issues than the party run by a man who openly brags about sexual assaults.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Thoguh posted:

The GOP just returned internet privacy to what is was under Obama, didn't they? He made some token gesture on his way out they door and they stopped it from taking effect?

Obama's restrictions were set to take effect at the end of the year so they'll just never take effect IIRC.

Basically all this means is that your ISP can sell the same information to private companies that they have been selling to the intelligence agencies for years and the FCC can't restrict this without an act of Congress. Personally, I'm more bothered that every man, woman, child, and most dogs have a file on them just in case they need a reason to be arrested in the future than I am about private companies having more data points to try and sell me orthopedic foot inserts and dildos.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

zegermans posted:

Fun fact, Hillary had higher national prominence than Bill when they started their life in the public spotlight. But no she hasn't earned anything and really she should have just recused herself after winning the primary because a man who wasn't even a democrat the year before decided to join the race.

A shame that this is the end of the Rodham dynasty, with her powerful father and his screen printing empire.

One thing Hillary has earned is my contempt. She is actively harmful. It would be one thing if it was just that her campaign was about nothing, run by the most expensive idiots money can buy, then she hosed off to the woods to tweet coupons for the wokest feminist brands but she's actively encouraging the Democratic party to learn nothing from 2016. Instead of even a bullshit "miscalculations were made" non-apology, she reinforcing the idea that they ran the best, most perfect, biggliest campaign in the history of man kind and if they weren't cheated by the media, racism, sexism, Bernie Bros, Millennials, James Comey, Russia, the voters, Democracy, and God she'd be the one incinerating brown people with missiles right now. A 15 year stock clerk that drops a jar of mayonnaise is expected to take more personal responsibility than a candidate for the most consequential political office on the face of the Earth. It's loving pathetic.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Frijolero posted:

If Booker quotes Gandhi or some poo poo during a primary debate I swear to god I'll vote for Trump.

Nonsense. He'll quote himself quoting Gandhi.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

On the downside, Dems lost GA-06. On the upside, Atlanta won't become the Silicon Valley of the South which reduces the chances of me living out of the back of a box truck.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP


TBF American police can legally shoot you if they think they smell pot so this is at least partially true.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Looks guys, we can't have a purity test for Democrats. Unless they are a Hindu nationalists that is somehow less war thirsty than the rest of the party. She needs to be primaried. I've got Raytheon stock I need to think about.

Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 21:31 on Apr 20, 2017

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

We don't need a Jewish socialist telling our money changers what to do. They can regulate themselves. Rome is already great.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Gene Hackman Fan posted:

"HSBC calls for Millennials to wake up to living and working longer, as research finds only 1 in 10 expects to work past 65"

ugh, millenials with their unrealistic expectations of the kind of lifestyle enjoyed by previous generations

I mean if life expectancy drops low enough due to climate change induced famine, natural disasters, war, and death from easily treatable diseases, they are technically correct.

Edit- Oh and despair fueled alcoholism and drug addiction, can't forget that one.

Iron Twinkie has issued a correction as of 14:53 on Apr 27, 2017

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Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

I wonder how low Democrats can push their approval rating by the midterm. It's 36% now and 29% of the country are registered Democrats so you'd think that would be the floor, but if they work hard, I'm sure they can break down that barrier.

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