Slow_Moe posted:

Ben doesn't know where the bodies are buried.

He never saw anything.

Mirificus posted:

VictorianQueerLit posted:

My favorite Ben moment was when Accelerwrath started sending unsolicited dick pics to female members of the community and when Goons raised a stink about it Ben banned the victim and a bunch of Goons while having a public meltdown about Goons.

The icing on that cake was that backers have turned this into a heroic moment where Cloud Imperium Gaming officially condemned an organization of trolls and resoundingly announced that their poo poo wasn't going to pursue the refugees from EVE Online to Star Citizen.

Basically this old post


Just where he says "The goons attempted to use SJW mechanisms to accuse CIG of sexism" add in "Because a concierge backer, the guy who has apparently done security for citcon since then, was sexually harassing female members of the community and Ben banned the victims and called out the people bringing attention to it."

Mirificus posted:

SCtrumpHaters posted:

With this week's schedule, we can finally see how the bugs and tasks counts are evolving. And the answer is : in the wrong direction! Almost all bugs and tasks counts are going up, with 25 total additionnal bugs to fix and 35 total additionnal tasks to complete. This may or may not be related with the intense Evocati activity that has been mentionned by Sean Tracy in yesterday's stream.
Only the Traversal tasks are going down, with 7 fewer tasks down to 15, which can probably be explained by the fact that it was the first feature tested by Evocatis, and therefore the most finalized.
Anyway, let's hope everything reverses back into the right direction next week.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I bet you loved Ready Player One.

VictorianQueerLit posted:

The best part of this is that not one single backer or anyone paying money to CIG even cares that right before the biggest sale of the year the bug tracker magically went down to 0 and now weeks later has mysteriously started showing that things aren't even remotely complete.

Surely the easiest explanation is to come up with some mental gymnastics about how the evocati didn't have time to discover the bugs yet or something. The logical conclusion that with millions of dollars on the line they straight up lied about the state of their product is just ridiculous. (Company) wouldn't misrepresent (Product) for money! They love me!

IcarusUpHigh posted:

https://clips.twitch.tv/SpotlessCredulousQueleaCclamChamp

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7c29h9/turning_on_the_lights_outpost_component_gameplay/

I've lost the will to live.

Put a component in a component. OK.
Now turn all the dynamic lights in the level from false to true. OK.

This is somehow considered impressive, and the hosts and fans boast about it in the video and in the comments.

Game is 6 years into development.

Help.

Truga posted:

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Mirificus posted:

VictorianQueerLit posted:

I'm not defending Derek, I'm the first one to make fun of him, but I've talked about this in the past and I think what he said was accurate at the time.

Now I will channel Derek

This is all rambling speculation though about what went on behind the scenes. I've formed my opinion by passively watching this shitshow for a few years now and am taking into account things like CIGs own marketing, their tweets, their ATVs and interviews. Also things like the leaks and this threads analysis at every decision and action they take.

My theory is this:

Due to CIG constantly promising things and being unable to deliver I think Chris Roberts around December 2015 was certain of a early to mid two year late 2016 release for Squadron 42 which is where the real money is at. Since he has talked in interviews about expecting ridiculously impossible numbers of sales for it to the tune of a quarter billion dollars it's reasonable to make that the focus of your company if you are a big enough lunatic to think it's going to be that profitable.

Leading up to that was a nonstop barrage of videos about motion capture for Squadron 42 and the actors. Slides about the amazing script. Leaks about all the work going into it and how much work there was actually to do on Squadron 42. All Chris ever wanted to talk about was Squadron 42. Answer the call.

So in early 2016 we did get a few new patches to the PU. These patches started getting less and less substantial from 2.1. Eventually they were slight modifications anyone that has ever modded a game would instantly recognize. Adjusting values of things.

Then the maintenance mode thing comes up here in March. Not necessarily whatever the official terminology for a "maintenance mode" on a piece of software would be but that the PU was only being worked on to keep up appearances. All focus and resources were going to Squadron 42 but the PU is what cultists have paid for.

As 2016 started progressing you started having longer and longer time for even more and more insignificant patches. After about 6-7 months the maintenance mode and reduced consideration for the PU was proven to be exactly correct since it started taking multiple months to get slight tweaks to flight speed or camera movement. 2.5 in August was virtually identical to 2.0 from December of the previous year. I'm sure cultists would point at the hilarious patch notes or compile huge lists of how adjusting the ammunition in a gun or the top speed of something totally disproves my point but if you aren't a crazy idiot arguing for a belief you can see the actual changes from 2.0 -> 2.5 which were the definition of treading water or "maintenance mode."

Meanwhile you still saw Mark Hamill and Squadron 42 actors tweeting about their still ongoing motion capture up until July of that year.

Gamescom comes around and you have an obvious and proven fake scripted demo in cryeditor.exe to make even more money. Money flows in. Citcon rolls around and in addition to another obvious and proven fake scripted demo in cryeditor.exe you have Squadron 42's appearance cancelled for unexplained reasons. The Leaks had been progressively mentioning a reduced scope in Squadron 42 which was to try and get out "The Prelude." A smaller and cut up version of Squadron 42s content to try and sell it.

After that the holiday sale rolls around and CIG manages to poo poo out Star Marine.

Once 2017 hit Squadron 42 isn't being talked about much anymore. Work probably progressed on it or The Prelude until early this year and at some point the idea had to have been abandoned. I tend to think that all the leaks about how ridiculous the animation data was were correct. Especially when you consider the slides putting this at 10x the speaking roles of actual studio releases of animated films. Chris Roberts had wanted to make a movie and had generated 90% footage and 10% gameplay with most of his budget and the footage was largely worthless due to the work required to turn tens of millions of dollars of motion capture data into anything resembling a game with a narrative that he could sell for $60.

Leaks turned to Squadron 42 being combined with the persistent universe. All outward focus from CIG switches to 3.0 and delivering something that resembles the fake demos they sold last year.

I think they have shifted along this path

- Planning to develop both games simultaneously with 4 studios
(time passes)
- Already past their release date with tens of millions in Squadron 42, complete focus on finish it (Maintenance Mode PU)
(time passes)
- Unable to deal with the hilarious clusterfuck Chris Roberts filmed, scope is reduced and a smaller step will be taken toward Squadron 42, further forgetting the PU (Prelude, A year without patches)
(time passes)
- Development of anything to do with petabytes of mocap footage becomes so expensive that the forgotten PU is now front and center to make money (Fake Demos late 2016)
(a lot of time passes)
- Once the main 2017 sales start getting closer CIG starts producing more fake demos but is now apparently struggling to develop something that actually resembles them. (3.0) Work has obviously just started on it sometime recently but they are running with it 100% and are no longer talking about Squadron 42. Due to almost bankrupting the company on Squadron 42 for years their last resort is a broken tech demo they had largely been ignoring. It's all they have and that leads us to now where they are frantically trying to cram more features into an ancient engine they should have never used in the first place.

It's a shame that we have to speculate so much about what is actually happening at THE WORLD'S MOST OPEN GAME DEVELOPMENT STUDIO. I'm pretty confident about that chain of events and if I was as crazy as Derek i would probably look up all the supporting tweets and information for each step but I don't care enough to spend an eternity digging through endless amounts of bullshit to highlight my points.

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Since it is a funded game by us the backers, maybe we could get a independant person involved?
CR could take a step back, and this new person could be the new boss, swing the hammer more, make sure its run properly?
They will make sure the money is well spent and not let these silly feature creeps hold back a release by years.

With this sort of money involved i think that is what is needed, basically a more boss type manager and to keep an eye on the raised funds etc.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

That's a new ship in the image, isn't it.

Combat Theory posted:

Quoting this with a 4 month old Account

aleksendr posted:

But does it punch above its weight ?

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7c3ds3/is_there_any_reason_left_for_evocati/dpmwc7o/

Mirificus posted:

SCtrumpHaters posted:

Burndown update

10 bugs more on cargo from last week
11 bugs 15 task more on missions from last week
16 more tasks on ships from last week
4 less tasks on traversal from last week
6 more tasks on mobiglas from last week
6 less tasks on performance & Stability from last week



Sounds like 60 players is plausible, some big breakthroughs here

Mirificus posted:

AP posted:

The thing I've always found funny about is that based on his Twitter account you can tell he has zero, none, absolutely nil, interest in Star Citizen, instead it's all poo poo like Wing Commander from when he was a kid.

I like to think this is because he's always known Star Citizen is bollocks because he invented most of the ships and if you take the ships, and the text paragraph of fluff devoted to each, away, there's nothing left.

I can't think of any better fitting end for than getting fired because his idol's wife can't stand him and developers on two continents (young and inexperienced though they may be) detest him.

Toops posted:

I'm behind by 4 pages so may be beaten, but I don't think anyone knows if Lumberyard's network arch will support MMO-scale, but I assume it can't without modification. And I don't know of any games that have proven GridMate works well in practice. But when I read about it, I thought the theory was sound.

Mirificus posted:

The Titanic posted:

This is my opinion too, without the logical resources.

Though I️ always find it funny that in reality, Star Citizen hasn’t begun development yet because of this very real fact.

Chris Roberts doesn’t want to admit that he can’t streamline communication over the internet with college kids the likes of which the world has never seen (because apparently nobody has tried to do it yet, haha).

He so, so desperately wants to be able to take his arena shooter type game and set max players = 9999999942 and it just works because of his sheer will and 1990’s creative programming abilities.

But it can’t, and it won’t. And they keep throwing more and more stuff at this game which is not an mmo that it’s funny.

There is no birthday for Star Citizen. As far as it’s concerned programmatically, Star Citizen doesn’t exist yet.

I️ never stop finding this funny, because it’s like kicking a can down the road, pretending on the next kick it might turn into a Corvette. But it can’t because this is the real loving world, and no matter how much you hope and dream, your will alone isn’t going to break the rules of reality.

And touting “because nobody tried before” is pretty much the dumbest loving thing to say in computer programming.

AP posted:

I can't think of any better fitting end for than getting fired because his idol's wife can't stand him and developers on two continents (young and inexperienced though they may be) detest him.

dr slut posted:

I wonder why they didn't bother to include the chart in this weeks burndown? Oh wait, yeah I do, a perfectly flat trendline:

Mirificus posted: