Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?

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PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I've been a PM for about 8 years now, primarily working in large financial institutions on long-term project rollouts, mergers and risk-managed projects (brexit has taken up a good chunk of my time for the last year as I did spin the bottle on where they're moving 6k employees)

That gantt chart is a loving abombination. It's some bastardised cross of a chart that's meant to be used internally, and some bullshit 'this is what we're doing' to make it appear super-organised.

I'd like to say that there's no way any PM would create that, but i've encountered enough bullshit artists to be sure that RSI are absolutely using that, and then confused when they find out 2 weeks late that they're overdue on something another team needed.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2017 13:46

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 06:55

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

spacetoaster posted:

I'm honestly surprised that this is still up.

So, who wants to report them to the ASA for their competition then?

http://cybher.com/12/2012/07/is-your-blog-giveaway-or-competition-legal/

https://www.out-law.com/page-6780

# ¿ Apr 28, 2017 11:07

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Samizdata posted:

Although I wonder how many prizes of each type there are, I can't think the Ortwin could slip up that badly. Although, given the fact it is US wide as well as international, yeah, there COULD be some trouble.

This is the same company that repeatedly stole and reused other people's artwork, and rewrote their T&Cs in such a way as to make them unlawful in the EU and Australia. I'm not sure there's any level of gently caress up that they couldn't achieve.

# ¿ Apr 28, 2017 11:42

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

CIG currently list 60 positions to fill, of which 23 are 'Senior' or 'Lead' positions.

6 months ago they had 56 positions to fill, of which 20 were 'Senior' or 'Lead' positions

1 year ago they had 60 positions to fill, of which 20 were 'Senior' or 'Lead' positions

2 years ago they had 62 positions to fill, of which 22 were 'Senior' or 'Lead' positions

Between 2015 and today, 9 of those 'senior' and lead jobs appear to have remained unfilled for 2 years.

I think they might have a staffing problem.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2017 18:18

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

TheLastRoboKy posted:

I mean we all know you're a gushing fountain of ignorance so consider this a question for people who don't need a specialist team of belt-masters to help them put their pants on of a morning: I'm wondering if there is a jurisdiction CIG/RSI trade in where trade law actually sides with CIG in regard to refunds?

Office in Antarctica coming in 2 weeks.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 10:30

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

A friend in the industry chatted to someone who was in a lead position working on SC/SQ42 in the UK (and who left last year) and the gist was:

quote:

CR is a nightmare to work with.
He will agree a develpment goal, people will work to it and then he will demand it be scrapped and started again.
Constant perfectionist without an abilit to share or moderate his own vision.
They would do 3 months of agreed work and he would work into a meeting and tell them to start again without even looking at it
Impossible to work with

Nothing actually new just another confirmation on what's been said dozens of times before.

# ¿ Aug 16, 2017 22:02

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

quote:

Have you worked on a large project at a major corporation before? Have you ever seen the timetables on major construction projects?

This is SOP for a project manager.

This was a reply in reference to how it's loving ridiculous that they continually put out 'best case possible' timetables and achievables and made up gantt charts.

Apparently every PM always assumes the best and then when things go wrong will continue to assume the best, with absolutely no lead times or flex or slack or anything but perfection assumption.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2017 00:03

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I'm really struggling to think of a better example of sunk cost fallacy

I mean the F35 maybe, but there's actual need there and the people involved all have jobs on the line, there aren't random people...wait, if I go look there will be random people saying it must be the best ever because of how much money and delays are just proving how great it is, aren't there?

# ¿ Aug 26, 2017 11:51

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Does anyone have a handy list of 'things wot Roberts has promised that aren't in the game' and/or 'things that they've hosed up with, e.g. the door, copyright/archering, chris' failure to play his own game etc.

I want something handy to link to when encountering Citzens in the wild (obviously the SC reddit is the central temple of sunk cost fallacy cultists)

# ¿ Aug 29, 2017 15:09

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

D_Smart posted:

https://starcitizentracker.github.io/

I knew i'd seen that before, thanks.

I'll see about putting together a list of all the archering and other doublespeak bullshit from the drama thread etc.

# ¿ Aug 29, 2017 16:16

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Lazrin posted:

edit: and as usual you're making leaps that have nothing to do with reality of anything you know about

He's cosplaying as Chris

# ¿ Sep 1, 2017 16:50

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Bootcha posted:

So hey guys, remember when CIG was hawking those T-Shirts, hats, coffee cups, and mouse pads? You remember any other merch they sold?

Didn't they sell citizen cards as well?

# ¿ Sep 3, 2017 18:01

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Harbinger73 posted:

[*]Announce their intent to move to a new phase (Early Access) officially under which they give people advance notice that it's their last chance to refund or be bound by new terms made available at the time of the announcement. (This would likely be acceptable under EU laws and probably in other territories as long as they notify everyone and give them a decent sized window to put in for a refund).

This is not acceptable under EU laws. In the EU you're entitled to a full refund for any online order for up to 2 weeks after final delivery. So if, say, you bought an Idris and it's not in the game for another 2 years (for which we mean never) then you can still get a full refund until 2 weeks after it happens.

Ortwin could turn up to the small claims court and try to argue that there'd been a partial delivery, but that's never going to happen.

Obviously our (UK) current government will try and get rid of as much consumer-friendly legislation as they can after Brexit, but until then, and for the rest of the EU, there's solid consumer protection that gives no fucks about 'donations' or 'MVP'. Everything Roberts has promised is open to being considered 'the product'.

# ¿ Sep 11, 2017 17:52

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Anyone have a link to roberts saying that development started in 2011? It used to be in their own wikia but that's been edited.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 11:57

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

That RobCoxy guy is desperately spinning the 'development started in 2013' line and just ignoring all the things that say 2011. Apparently it doesn't count because blah blah blah cognitive dissonance.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 12:18

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

As per people who've left, there's actually a good argument that development did only start 3-9 months ago, because in that time Roberts will have revamped nearly everything, wanted everything changed, and ordered more mocap shooting, again, for the 17th time. But that's another bitter pill for them to swallow because he is the one true god.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 12:24

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

AP posted:

If you think about it, real development of Star Citizen hasn't even started yet.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 12:40

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

SC cultists make eve players who think that it's okay to threaten to cut off people's hands as long as you're a content creator look balanced and reasonable in comparison. The diehard crazies who post about derek every day are legit unhinged and as people have said multiple times, the failure of this project will lead to some self-harm and/or serious anger management issues.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 14:40

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Dementropy posted:

No doxxing me!

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 14:53

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

AbstractNapper posted:

Maybe a few popular pc game related sites will report on this as well. It is a report-worthy amount of a refund for a project that the press is a hair's breadth away from tearing it down as the scam that it is.

That would mean actually reporting on star citizen rather than just mindlessly regurgitating cig press releases. Take a look at the pc gamer coverage pre-gamescom in comparison to the actual build at gamescom, they're 3+ years apart.

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 15:25

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

^THe Eu hasn't created any special law to cover crowdfunding, that means that there is no law covering it
>No, that means they don't need to create a new law, because existing laws already cover it
^proooove it, checkmate goonie

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 15:56

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Sandweed posted:

He also promised a living galaxy with millions of AI reacting in real time to supply and demand.

Coming in 2 weeks

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 16:03

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I think I need to do a Roberts/Fleetwood mac matchup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcjpags7JT8

# ¿ Sep 14, 2017 16:51

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

A friend does marketing stuff which involves social media metrics and all sorts of other things which are a blot on humanity. He did, however, point out that that there is absolutely no chance that SC has 1.8 million backers based on its 110k following on facebook and the initial 35k on kickstarter.

Obviously we know this, but if you go round a whole bunch of other computer games/computer game companies, you'll find a nice range of the facebook followers being with 30-50% of the actual subscribers.

SC's is 6%. Somehow unlike every other game out there, only 6% of the people who have pre-ordered the game have bothered to subscribe on facebook.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2017 17:35

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Hav posted:

Again, it�s all predicated on the concept of delivery, and that depends on what was actually promised.

It's great reading all the pretzel-twisting logic that tries to explain how a very simple, broadly-encompassing set of consumer rights don't apply because of split infinitives and something something bullshit.

Given how ridiculously easy it is to file a small claims court action, and that you can both charge for reasonable costs in doing so, and the cost of the filing, I'm looking forward to reading about how SC would have been a huge success if not for the TRAITORS who dared to ask for their legally entitled refund.

# ¿ Oct 12, 2017 17:10

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Sadly I think even RSI/RSI/CIG/WTF aren't stupid enough to ignore any small claim court judgements against them, so I doubt we'll get to see them on an episode of 'Can't Pay, we'll take it away' with middle-aged bailiffs eyeing up coffee machines...wait, they're only in LA, the people making the game have way worse facilities than the marketeers.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2017 14:09

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

quote:

Star Wars Uncharted
Hennig has just returned from Los Angeles, where she directed a two-day ensemble shoot for the new Star Wars game. A lot of games feature motion capture, but very few go a step beyond to performance capture, which allows the game to map actors' actual facial expressions onto characters, the way Andy Serkis powers the CGI ape Caesar in the Planet of the Apes movies.

https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/interviews/amy-hennig-on-taking-star-wars-somewhere-new-w450064

What an amateur Hennig is, only a two-day shoot for a new Star Wars game, clearly she needs months of shooting and re-shooting if she wants to understand game development.

# ¿ Oct 19, 2017 11:10

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I was reminded today that Roberts had his companies pay himself �2 million for the rights to his own game. If there's any justice he kept it all in pounds and is now crying about the exchange rate as he tries to find countries without extradition treaties.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2017 21:52

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

SomethingJones posted:

This is something I don't understand at all - if they created Foundry to build the game then charged them for the license... where did Foundry get the �2 million from? Did they go into �2 million debt right off the bat to develop a game for the brother of the guy who runs the studio? But then didn't CIG buy Foundry outright further down the line anyway?

Why sell them the license when you are contracting them to build the game that the license covers anyway?

Absolutely none of this makes any sense to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JcZ8QFn6U0

# ¿ Oct 25, 2017 22:19

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

quote:

We�re two days away from this year�s Anniversary Special and have a lot to celebrate, including eight straight days of Ship Shape highlighting some of your favorite ships, 20% off all merchandise, and a very special Happy Hour where you can help us decide on a Drake ship to add to Star Citizen. Also, be sure to take The Observer test for your chance to win a new concept ship from Anvil Aerospace -- the Hawk. All the rules will be on the website starting Friday. Those of you interested in picking up an Idris-P or Javelin, 50 of each will be available in the following time slots:

Am guessing their editing is now done by junior high school kids, as every actual editor or person who has any sort of English qualification has now quit.

# ¿ Nov 22, 2017 21:02

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

SCtrumpHaters posted:

Nitpicking minor graphical errors while fans are celebrating. Happy Thanksgiving to you too Derek.

I tried to reply but clipped through the screen and then the server crashed.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2017 14:24

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

ManofManyAliases posted:

- Game is still in development
- 400+ people can't all be wrong
- It was a pledge God drat-it.

-

Preorder...

# ¿ Dec 18, 2017 16:13

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

So apparently Roberts just found out about World of Tanks then?

# ¿ Dec 21, 2017 19:53

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

happyhippy posted:

Leonard French isn't that bad.
He plays devils advocate with everything, hes not a SC fanboy.

Non-practising lawyers from 3rd rate universities talking about areas of the law who aren't their specialties are one-step up from random people relying on wikipedia for their answers.

I spent 6 years of my publishing career dealing with copyright, and kept running into lawyers who didn't specialise in it who knew gently caress and all about it, especially international complications. French is just a.n.other internet lawyer who happens to have a degree but is more interested in his hits on youtube than the actual subject he's bloviating about.

# ¿ Jan 19, 2018 21:55

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

big nipples big life posted:

Star Citizen ending in a legal tire fire means Chris gets to jump back on kickstarter with a sob story to start fleecing whales again like it's 2012.

Chris's luxury Porsche hire needs backers, get in now and you too can get a digitally signed photo of Chris in a Porsche that you paid for.

# ¿ Jan 20, 2018 02:05

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Daztek posted:

Oh, I guess it's okay!

Wonder why CIG keeps reworking stuff over and over though

As a PM, reading a bad explanation of agile & waterfall (let alone scrum) like that should make me want to go explain all the ways they're wrong. But given it's a star citizen backer, they're so loving stupid that it'd be pointless.

# ¿ May 15, 2018 12:42

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Time to look at their vacancies again

For context, Bethesda across 4 studios have 66 job vacancies, of which 13 are 'Senior' and 2 are 'producer' roles. Bethesda is also working on more than one product.

CIG have 80 vacancies, 6 are 'producer' roles, 34 are 'lead or senior' roles.

Looking at the job requirements, it's clear that Bethesda's 'senior' roles expect far more experience than CIG

Many of CIG's jobs, about 40-50 have been vacant for 18+ months, they just take down the advert and then relist it.

PST fucked around with this message at 13:02 on May 30, 2018

# ¿ May 30, 2018 12:39

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

A 5 minute look at SC's social media engagement.

The official SC twitter account has 85k followers.

Cyberpunk 2077 has 175k

Rockstar games (who Roberts has compared his game favourably to), have 9.34 million

Star Citizen's 'pinned tweet' announcing the Hercules starlifter, from May 11th, has a whopping 360 likes

The tweet of nothing but *beep* by Cyberpunk 2077 has 57k likes, the tweet of their trailer has 107k, in contrast SC's trailer got 441 likes

in the last month, star citizen hasn't had anything go over 450 'likes' suggesting very low engagement with their twitter account.

On facebook they've had the grand total of 161k likes since its launch.

By comparison, Runescape has 1.1 million

Now, i'm not a social media expert, but something seems wildly different in these numbers.

# ¿ Jun 13, 2018 13:28

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

quote:

Cultist playbook

Dismiss arguments, include some ego-driven superiority comments about how they clearly don't understand X

Demand citations for everything critic says

Ignore citations and accuse critic of being someone else (Primarily Smart, expect Beet to become the new boogieman soon).

It's ridiculous how often they go through exactly this process, over and over again, with the last coming out the moment you answer their demands for proof with, well, said proof.

# ¿ Jun 14, 2018 09:09

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# ¿ Apr 28, 2024 06:55

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Star Citizen's stretch goals are 99% complete, guess that means it'll be in stores any second:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/8sc78r/so_eve_players_all_like_scams_right/e0yfd15/

PST fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jun 20, 2018

# ¿ Jun 20, 2018 12:14

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