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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP4l_PeBMyk

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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https://youtube.com/watch?v=gijOUSlgyYw

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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please do use https://donotlink.it

when linking to fascists and their capitalist lap dogs.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Ruzihm posted:

"Knights for socialism" is a weird name to me. I associate modern political use of "knights" with the KKK. Am I alone in this? Is your school mascot a knight or something?

also Knights of Labor was the first labor union in the US

which is tangentially related to what you are talking about

thanks for reading this info

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Doorknob Slobber posted:

I think that right now, in most places the best place to put your effort is working in the democratic party. In some areas you can be lucky enough to vote for actual socialists and even win or get close to winning. I think going forward a great deal can be taken from Socialist Alternative's success. The candidates they pick to run are also very active activists that work on their other social campaigns like 15 Now and rent control and resisting DAPL. I think that is something to keep in mind at the local level going forward, even when working within the democratic party.

But working within the democratic party is good because of the amount of effort Bernie's campaign put into the primary in organizing people to get involved in the party and also just building his name brand. If I was a democrat running for office I would love the Berniecrat label, especially if Bernie himself runs in 2020, I would love if he announced really early that he was planning on running. Partially because loving Donald Trump is already running.

Utilizing Bernie's structure and support base by working within the democratic party instead of focusing on a third party is probably (unfortunately) the most pragmatic thing to do right now. And at the local level put a lot of focus on moving policy through initiatives and electing the vocal people who work on those initiatives to office.

since the democratic party does not have an actual base its probably the only time in history where entryism is a good idea

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Grognan posted:

Starting to consider that organizing paramilitary groups alongside all available action might not be a bad idea.

its a patriotic duty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_committee

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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In honor of the budding revolution I would like to remind everyone that you can only build a mass organization with an actual infrastructure

the good news is that the internet provides a basically cost free way of getting it done if literally the most minimum of effort is taken

I have taken that minimal effort to a new height and now provide you a list of tools you can use to set up virtual soviets in the heart of this rotting land ruled by an orange madman

1.) Set up your own functioning social network/website

Use this: https://developers.oxwall.com/

it's free. The hosting is dirt cheap and anyone can set it up.

You can easily merge all the social channels into it and mirror other allied channels (other DSA chapters, Robert Reich etc.)

The idea is to have a clearing house of information for organization

see the events of other chapters

2.) Instead of fighting about who is a tankie, make decisions with every DSA chapter using this collab tool

https://www.loomio.org

it integrates with slack

3.) March on something or meet somewhere using this private map GPS app

http://www.waveapplication.com/

Then talk using signal + Whatapp

if you want to create groups or customize stuff you can probably also try this advocacy progressive tool https://www.salsalabs.com or these dudes

https://actionnetwork.org/toolset but it costs more Trumpbucks

There it is: your resource to creating a virtual soviet/committee of correspondence

I hope someone takes the 30 minutes it takes to get this documented and set up.

Cheers!

Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 08:50 on Feb 15, 2017

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

this sounds... anticapitalist

it was very anti :monocle: anti shithead elitist kind of radical movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committees_of_safety_(American_Revolution)


quote:



The development of coalition and interest-group politics greatly alarmed both royal officials and more conservative Patriots.[6] For example, William Henry Drayton, the prominent South Carolina planter who had studied at Oxford University, complained about the participation of cobblers and butchers, stating that "Nature never intended that such men should be profound politicians, or able statesmen.[6] In 1775, the royal governor of Georgia "noted in astonishment that the committee in control of Savannah consisted of 'a Parcel of the Lowest People, chiefly carpenters, shoemakers, Blacksmiths etc with a Jew at their head."[6][7]

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Doorknob Slobber posted:

Thanks. I stole this and posted it all over the various progressive/socialist facebook groups I'm in because using technology to be organized is a good thing that political people don't do well.

with Internet communism you take what you need friend

also keep in mind that the most effective route of mass organizations is first and foremost a grassroots community that discusses the issues that they care about and then tries to change them in an organized way outside of electoral politics

Parents have 3 jobs and can't watch the kids? Set up a childcare coop and get those parents involved

Payday loans sucking up money from the poor? Sponsor a credit union existing or otherwise and get them signed up and the payday loans out of business

You want to have parallel institutions that compete and supplant the legitimacy of our elected "representatives" by solving the problems of neglected communities through direct democratic participation

You can empower people by having them thrust into a responsible position

The energy and stark contrast of a mass organization that actually takes care of its constituents vs stagnant elected neoliberal governments creates momentum to replace worthless politicos because as soon as people see another path and another vision the more they want it

Imo

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Internet Explorer posted:

This is really awesome. We recently started discussing software and infrastructure at our DSA meeting. Apparently it is a requirement from DSA national that a chapter has the ability to rapidly reach out to members (via text, call, etc) for flash gatherings like airport protests. We formed a small committee to start setting that up, but our chapter is just getting started and there is such an obvious need for infrastructure in general.

Action Network seems to imply that it is free for "small groups," but I couldn't find the definition of that or pricing otherwise. To me it definitely seems like the way to go. It integrates with a bunch of stuff, including CallHub.

Also it looks like SalesForce has a 10 user license available for non-profits. I think DSA chapters are 501(c)(3), which sounds like it qualifies.

I will definitely post some guides once we start making more progress. I think having the right infrastructure in place is probably one of the most important things we can do. I'm actually surprised that DSA national does not have something in place for its chapters.

well you could set up a model system and then encourage other chapters to follow

I know that there are dsa chapters on action network

https://actionnetwork.org/groups/south-sound-dsa

https://actionnetwork.org/events/dsa-fort-worth-monthly-meeting-huddle?source=widget

maybe it is a good place to migrate to because it connects you with other like minded groups

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Ruzihm posted:

is this what a friendly leftcom looks like????? :popeye:

:shrug:

i think the dsa can have a positive movement if it also advocates for economic reform in favor of a more robust worker coop sector

state bonds and municipal investment into credit unions

ban on mutual holding companies

legislation to encourage mutual insurance

unemployment payouts for worker coops

sponsorship of an employee ownership institute like in Vermont

http://www.veoc.org/coops

and more programs like the Evergreen Coops

get a model coop law that allows workers 1st in line position as creditors with an option to purchase their business easily from their former bosses

http://chorusfoundation.org/a-new-era-for-workers-a-chicago-factory-goes-cooperative/

that can inspire people

imo

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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unbutthurtable posted:

This was dope, and I really do hope we can put together a publishable packet with links and checklists and poo poo to help chapters get organized and secure, quickly.


PM me. I have a cool MLK one we made for our first branch meeting, but I don't want to share out my google drive info to the ether.


We're already looking into becoming a partner org to a credit union over here that takes our NYC ID cards as identification (which are open to undocumented persons) so that DSA members can join.

And my dream is that the NYC chapter (and obviously national could do this broadly) has the funds and organization in a year or two to start a Cooperative Development working group to provide guidance and seed money to potential co-ops. Even aside from helping people own their own employment, just finding union or co-op vendors can be tough, just for things that DSA needs, so I think that a co-op print shop in the city somewhere could be a win-win.

your first stop should be the The Working World

Ever since the Jobs Act crowdfunding has made coop funding much easier

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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TwoQuestions posted:

Where do you keep finding this good poo poo?

I :love: :anarchists:

anyways, just keep in mind that the worker coop sector in the US is in its infancy but it only takes a generation to get a critical mass

You can find some more cool stuff here

http://www.locavesting.com

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Azuth0667 posted:

What do you do if none of the workers who would join have any money to buy means?

Get a grant from a community development institution partner with coop biz development advisors ( generally part of the same grant institution) and deduct new member equity stake from their patronage (that's another word for surplus) and wages over a long period of time.

Basically if factory workers have the technical expertise to work a plant they will find the finance to buy it outright. The Ohio employee ownership center is s model for this stuff. But it requires a critical mass of infrastructure


Coops still need to develop an organized cluster of their own financial technical development and educational resources

Basically secondary stage coops that service entire sectors

And we need to reframe the conversation about coops. Coops espouse the American Revolutionary radical concept of liberty in the old republican tradition when most of the population worked for themselves ( except the slaves) before the corruption of the Guilded Age where all the monopolies appeared

Anyways the reason I'm linking it this way to a partially rosy American reading of history is because socialism is as American as apple pie and it needs to be seen so again. The first democratic socialist party in power in North America was the cooperative commonwealth federation and they were composed of emigrants from the USA.

People can transition from the rosy history to the fact that George Washington was a counter revolutionary coup plotter in cahoots with landlord, financial and slave interests against French radical republican supporters like Thomas Paine after they accept that socialism is the light.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

I am glad you have thought this over and have an answer. :)

Any concern about fostering diversity and inclusion of PoC given that the story of the American revolution that we're taught is very white?

Bacon's Rebellion

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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One of the most central concepts developed by Karl Marx in his writings was that of ‘praxis.’ At the heart of the notion of praxis is the idea that revolutionary change can only occur through conscious practice. If at the heart of the capitalist social relation is competition then cooperation is its antithesis. “Only by struggling to reduce their degree of separation can workers achieve their goals. The struggle against a mediator between (and above) them is inherent in the ‘worker’s own need for development’” (Lebowitz 2003: 87). Therefore, in order to overthrow capitalism it is imperative for workers to engage in cooperative forms of production, something Marx claimed was inherent in their need for development.

“The significance of co-operative factories was quite clear in that they involved the replacement of capital as a mediator in all phases – in the purchase of labour-power, in the direction and supervision of production, and in the ownership of the products of labour” (Lebowitz 2003: 88). The organization of worker-owned cooperatives demonstrates the uselessness of capital as a mediating force in production thereby contributing to its demystification. “This ‘victory of the political economy of labour over the political economy of property’ was an ideological victory” (Lebowitz 2003: 89).

worker coops are super important

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

the international alliance between the DSA and canadian hoxhaists is unstoppable

its all about the New Wave Dadaist Posadism now comrade

embrace the coming nuclear holocaust

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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logikv9 posted:

THIS IS WHY BERNIE LOST because y'all can't follow instructions!!!!!!! TRUMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OcldMG932o

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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its peasants, soldiers and workers unite

the :mrapig: :cop: are always left out because they are the lowest of the low and no one wants them

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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unbutthurtable posted:

but did you like it

yes :q:

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Mythical Moderate posted:

I'll be attending my first DSA meeting tomorrow. Looking at the FB event details is making me leery this will be more liberal than socialist. :sigh:

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Fullhouse posted:

I think it's more "nobody will ever take us seriously if 90% of our intersectional socialist movement is white male yuppies", which I think is a legitimate concern

Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains" problematic, not inter-sectional enough

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Rated PG-34 posted:

Having Harvey Weinstein as supreme leader of the DSA may be bad, but at least we don’t gulag dissidents like they do in NK

our slave labor camps are better equipped and more productive



Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:

still abolish the concept of "leadership" imho.

let everyone feel as empowered and capable to facilitate (a meeting, an action, a canvassing event, a conference) as the mediocre white cis man does

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Uphold anarcho-Skeletorism

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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https://www.mediaite.com/online/dem-donor-slams-party-on-msnbc-for-going-too-far-left-hopefully-well-get-our-sht-together/

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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jarofpiss posted:

now that im getting pretty strong im thinking about expanding that praxis to arm wrestling strangers and if they lose they have to join the dsa

this is me irl

the wise dsa recruiter

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Ace of Baes posted:

im not a socdem im an ancom who literally co-founded a dsa chapter, looking down on socdems is super cringy and reminds of depressing trots patting each other on the back over how much theory theyve read

Trots dont read theory

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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let’s dissolve into tribal groups arguing about unapproachable theorycrafting to trigger the libs

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Goon Danton posted:

I know the "I will never read a book" caucus is dominant here, but I read a book (Discipline and Punish) and it was dope. Anyone have any good reading suggestions? I got Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality and the Communist Manifesto at a used book store for :10bux: so those will probably be next, but I'm always looking to add more to my list.

The Cooperative Commonwealth

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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https://mobile.twitter.com/vlenin_1917/status/820692407771680772?lang=en

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Serf posted:

just my two cents, end all foreign wars and withdraw all military personnel and assets from any place not inside united state borders. gently caress empire

counterpoint expand the US empire until it collapses :smuggo:

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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megalodong posted:

This is surely satire... "Lone wolf", doesn't actually do anything besides talk online, political theory identical to the one a high school libertarian would have thought up, /r/justneckbeardthings style photos

i don't understand who this guy is

or why people are reading his made for the Failing NEW YORK TIMES op ed try outs

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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YES HA HA HA YES!

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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apokaladle posted:

to both

but a lot of people involved with ebdsa are individually still cool and if we ever run into each other I'll try and introduce you

im in sf so hit me up if you want to celebrate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcWEtFXwnc

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F_9FEx7ymg

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Dreddout posted:

Around 5000 terrestrial due paying members but that number sky rockets to 9 trillion when you consider the galactic commune we are affiliated with

Comrade space commander

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Dreddout posted:



You rang?

ayycelmarate me to the universersal commune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14mIFbhB0b8

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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Serf posted:

i figure if we can all agree that capitalism is the problem, we can work together on that first and then hash out who has the best idea afterwards

the best way i understand democratic socialism outside of policy has to do with the distribution of surplus

in all of history where humanity produced surplus someone other than the people who produced the surplus decided where it would go

for me the most basic aspect of democratic socialism is the idea that workers and the community who produce the surplus democratically decide how it is distributed or utilized

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Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


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The dsa is trash join the CPUSA

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