Bullet Hell, a game of Mafia

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sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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I want to do this but I am in All The Games

# ¿ Feb 20, 2017 19:28

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 23:35

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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actually sign me up too I guess cause I'll die immediately anyway :v:

# ¿ Feb 21, 2017 02:17

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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##kill chaoslord

# ¿ Feb 21, 2017 03:49

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# ¿ Feb 23, 2017 19:22

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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##vote chaoslord it rhymes

# ¿ Feb 26, 2017 21:46

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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kill the mans

# ¿ Feb 27, 2017 20:13

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Stickup chatting about how he's not posting in this game.

Stickup scum.

##vote this is a stickup

_{I am always watching.}

I hadn't even opened the thread yet

# ¿ Mar 1, 2017 01:21

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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windshipper posted:

To clarify - I think it's highly likely he's town.

I also know as scum, were I to receive that in my role PM, if I had the chance I'd be the first one to make nearly that exact same post.

Chances are he is town both numbers wise and the fact that I don't know if many scum would be so quick to make that post, but I think it is more likely than not that he is town.

On top of that, I think your post is phrased scummily and I think you being so quick to write him off as town is scummy. Calling people town is an easy thing to fall back on as scum.

I'm not entirely sure tobbs would have the clarity to be thinking that far ahead as scum. he is a pretty timid and withdrawn scum player, and in general that's not something I'd expect tobbs to do as scum

moritz is always a very scummy sounding poster though.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2017 01:29

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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Tired Moritz posted:

I don't know, I think you might be overthinking. like this is such a small game, would the mafia really be given a fake pm?

I thought Tobbs logic is "I'm town, and my PM looks different from the op so I'll just hint hint and see who caught on so I can see who is likely town"

I don't see any reason they wouldn't have one. it's not like AA would need to come up with a complex fake claim.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2017 01:31

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

This pings me a little. The description in the OP talks about eliminating scum, but the actual role PM doesn't mention them.

Is it a slip, or just an interpretation of the actual town role PM? I'm not sold on it 100%, but I think it's worth putting pressure on him.

this is a strange post. my pm says eliminate threats, which would be a pro-town win condition, and you of all people should know tm posts things like that all the time.

# ¿ Mar 1, 2017 01:35

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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sorry I missed the deadline, I wasn't expecting it to be whatever time it was. gonna lay my thoughts out as I try to collect them

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Well gently caress.

I shot TM, I thought he was actually scum.

I'm extremely surprised there's only 1 this game.

I looked over the thread during night phase and decided on killing chaoslord. I thought it was weird he came in to kill someone who hadn't posted at all, when he had done the exact same thing. my gun jammed :v:

but someone got him anyway

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Is it a slip, or just an interpretation of the actual town role PM? I'm not sold on it 100%, but I think it's worth putting pressure on him.

With 6 players, we probably have 2 scum, making today MYLO (if you ignore the vigs or they all fail).

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

WRT only having a single vote on someone, I'm inclined to agree. It's 4 to lynch, and with two scum all it takes is for 2 town votes to be on someone for scum to finish the lynch.

I thought it was a little strange you were pushing a 'slip' right away in the manner that you did, unless you interpret eliminating the threats to the town as an anti-town wincon, which doesn't make any sense. the call of 2 scum in the same post was something I noted and part of the reason I thought your posting was a little weird.

in a 6 man, all vig micro, I'd assume 1 scum/1 survivor before 2 scum. at the time, I had a slight feeling that you knew a little too much about the setup and were trying to mislead our thought process, but you are being consistent about it, and frankly I don't see the point of lying about it in this game

however, I know you are a proponent of keeping your vote on someone that you really think is scum, yet you dropped off of TM to go for an easy lurker lynch. and today, you're going after windshipper for what you're calling another slip. I feel like it's a little opportunistic on your part, and also curious that you managed to catch TM's 'slip' when windshipper was saying he thinks you're town, but now that we're all that's left, you've caught windshipper for the same thing. how did you manage to overlook windshipper apparently slipping on the exact same thing that TM did, and one post before TM did? I think it's an interesting thing you're bringing up, as it's 100% correct to say nothing at that point matches the exact wincon, but drat if it doesn't feel weird in this context

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 18:45

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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windshipper posted:

To clarify - I think it's highly likely he's town.

I also know as scum, were I to receive that in my role PM, if I had the chance I'd be the first one to make nearly that exact same post.

Chances are he is town both numbers wise and the fact that I don't know if many scum would be so quick to make that post, but I think it is more likely than not that he is town.

On top of that, I think your post is phrased scummily and I think you being so quick to write him off as town is scummy. Calling people town is an easy thing to fall back on as scum.

the simplest explanation here would be tobbs being scum. my meta on him is, in general, based on large games, where he tended to shy away from making alignment calls until pressured; as town, he's more like a rapid fire alignment calling machine with votes all over the place. based on the cases he's made in this game, I'm not sure if it can apply to a small game like this.

coming out of the gate to make a post you acknowledge is something you'd do as scum is quite possibly the realest notion of someone being scum in this thread. after looking it all over, though you were actually calling him town at the time, I think you might've been onto something with regards to making that post as scum. but on first read, this post actually pinged me a little.

reading the first point from a perspective of you being scum, it almost sounds like you were planning to make that exact post and tobbs beat you to it, but that post and this idea can't become a smoking gun regardless. if we assume scum did get sent the exact win condition, scum tobbs could have jumped on the post as you would have, and you could be remorse about not getting to do it first. it works both ways and doesn't really go any further than that.

windshipper has no experience with TM and his reaction to TM's posting style is pretty normal for everyone to have at first. I'd expect tobbs to know better. right now I am leaning tobbs ever so slightly but I'd like to hear from windshipper who is oddly quiet today, considering he was active at pretty much all day on D1

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 18:58

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Lots of words not saying much.

I thought it was odd that chaos/TM came in with a lurker case all of a sudden. At the same time, lynching someone who hadn't once posted was ok with me.

I thought they were both scum after Mr. F!s flip, so I killed TM.

One of you is scum. If I get lynched, town loses. It's funny having a 2-page game, but I'm honestly not going to go deep into this and argue with either of you. Make your choices. I'm not going to risk voting.

you should argue your point, because if you're really town, it will win us the game rather than lose us the game. do you not think that post I quoted was weird? he comes out with a strong town read on you for something he would do as scum.

# ¿ Mar 2, 2017 19:06

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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so much for the 2 page game

windshipper posted:

This is an easy stance to take. He comes in, defends you as being townie because you're timid and withdrawn as scum. This is an easy thing to do - especially if you have a known meta.

He then follows that up with calling moritz townie because he's always scummy sounding so hey don't be too hard on the guy right?

it's also an easy thing to do when his meta is very obvious. he is both aware that I'm familiar with his meta, and he's familiar enough with TM's meta to confirm what I said. frankly I don't see how you come out of the door with a strong town read on anyone

quote:

Scum like easy stances. Calling people town is an easy stance. It means they're voicing an opinion - therefore, people will think they're town? They don't have to think too hard, they don't have to work too hard. As scum, it can be hard to build a case on someone when you're approaching it knowing that you're scum in the first place.

the first thing you did was call tobbs town with an "I would do this as scum" argument

quote:

Hitting close to the truth. By the way, notice that he didn't have to really come in and say anything about the win condition here? Or before?

To be continued.

is it the truth? tell me more~

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 03:56

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Uhhhh if I were scum I'd have voted stickup already and won the game.

What are you talking about?

you've been in a unique position to essentially confirm yourself as town. windshipper has not.

coming back to all of this, it looks to me like windshipper jumped on you because I said I was leaning you, and because you were leaning him. that's the safe vote to make to ensure a lynch. after I never jumped on your vote, he talks you down with a mutual unvote, and immediately he admits to voting you without even reading me.

windshipper posted:

Hold on a minute. I haven't looked through Stick em up fully, so give me a minute.

in a 3 person, confirmed lylo, his first move is to vote for someone without reading the other. the game was two pages at that time.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:01

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windshipper posted:

If you were scum the game would not already be over.

It just means he's not around (and it seems as though he isn't).

it also means windshipper never had the chance to end the game because I didn't have a vote on anyone (surprise! there's a reason for that)

windshipper posted:

Also, you're alive because he figured he can manipulate you.

tobbs knows drat well this isn't the case :v:

windshipper posted:

Oh hey guys sorry I wasn't there. I said a couple of things and then just *poof* disappeared. You know, stay in the background.

if tobbs wasn't confirmed as town, I'd still vote you for this alone

quote:

He's citing an easy target for a townie vigilante to go after - chaoslord whom I also targeted - and if he targeted Tired Moritz, that means he can get away with that because YOU already claimed the kill on tired moritz.

This then means he gets to get away with the whole gun jam thing because both kills are given the same treatment in the moderator's post. He doesn't have to claim EITHER kill which gets to let him look super townie!

w..what is even going on in this part? I tried to kill the person that you did kill, but my gun jammed, therefore I am scum and you are town ???

I could have easily just claimed the kill on chaoslord and it would make literally 0 difference, why bother telling you my gun jammed if it weren't true? there is nothing to gain as town or scum.

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If what you're saying is true about the town win condition -Then this here should be a HUGE RED FLAG. He also interprets it as a, "eliminate threats to the town." He doesn't outright say it but read what he says.

If you think I'm scum for my win condition, then you should also think he's scum for this.

no threats to is the exact wording, I'm not going to quote it verbatim and eat a modkill cheers

quote:

Here he tries to argue that you are scum based off of set up speculation. He's picking an easy point to go after you for here.

stretching pretty drat hard to twist my words. I specifically say he's been consistent, ie truthful in his opinion, which is one of the reasons I don't have a strong scum read on him as if he were manufacturing that opinion

quote:

He's not even calling you scum. He's saying it's weird. It's the same thing he did before with TM and you - He hedges his bets. He doesn't want to make a solid call. That means he can't just flip and drop a vote to make the game go quick.

true, I didn't call him scum because of his meta which I posted very early on in the game. I did not have a strong scum or town read on him. the only reason I do now is because he didn't vote me off.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:10

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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windshipper posted:

I'd read you, but not closely. Given how this game has gone, I think that's probably exactly how everyone else has played. Especially given my daily life normally.

I work as a FF/EMT, and have been working as a company officer in our new volunteer recruit academy - hence the lecture on Wednesday night and me prepping for 9 hours of physical instruction saturday and another 3 hour lecture on Monday night.

so it's fine for your real life to keep you from fully reading the thread, but my real life is me intentionally missing a deadline at 11am on a weekday and ducking out of the thread? cool

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:11

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windshipper posted:

FYI he's going to come back and vote me.

Anyways, WITH THAT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GONE FOR THE NIGHT!

this right here is probably the dumbest post in the thread

tobbs is the closest thing to confirmed town as you can be. what other option is there? you're trying to play the victim

##vote windshipper

you can predict the future!

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:12

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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fyi if I was scum I would have voted tobbs or you after he said he didn't want to argue and won the game either way vOv

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:16

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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windshipper posted:

Yeah, I was wondering about that as well. It's why I asked him to expand on it.

I agree the phrasing in it seems awkward, but Tobb's response seems just as awkward in both his response to me asking him about Moritz and his response to me asking for clarification.

Part of me has me wondering if that's just because he got put on the spot though. I don't really know any of you, so, I have no meta. I'd appreciate your thoughts on both of them.

And if they have any thoughts on you that'd be cool too.

you agreed with one of the points you called me out on. why didn't you call me out for only calling it weird then? you agreed that it was awkward, is it no longer awkward?

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:20

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Are you saying stickers withheld the NK in a game where everyone has vigs?

That's really dumb.

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Paraphrase your vig results for me.

so you know, the PM I got has 3 sentences. gun jams, can no longer kill, vanilla vigilante

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:23

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I still think windshipper is scum.

##vote windshipper

Game end.

you made the right call :hf:

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 04:35

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I am bad

nope, you're my buddy! :buddy:

this would be really fun with 8-10 players. I felt a little too invincible as both bulletproof and godfather, but it was probably needed with only 1 scum

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 05:21

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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it was cool and good. thanks for running it

also tobbs, I actually tried to kill you, but my gun jammed probably because the game would end :colbert:

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 23:35

sentimental snail: Nov 22, 2007; DID YOU SEE MY
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not gonna lie I was just trying to get you killed, I still don't know what the actual confusion is about

here was what I was shown: You win when there are no other threats to TOWN.

# ¿ Mar 3, 2017 06:31

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