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sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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anyone else here ever wish they were scum so hard they cried

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sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Or quote this post to find out your alignment.

lmao

someone alive do this again so I can quote it

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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got some chores tonight posted:

quote this post and ill psuedorandomly assign you a catholic cardinal in the submafia game: pope quest

you have the same alignments and prs and you send all the actions to eccoraven but its a better theme now

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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I've just hit page 6 and I don't understand what AA was doing

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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CCKeane posted:

I'm less interested in applying pressure to you then I am in getting answers to my questions, because I'm still confused.

So AA:

What is your role name as it appears on your PM?

What is your flavor name?

What is the flavor by which you derive your powers?

Obviously, if you need to tell me to gently caress off, tell me to gently caress off, but since you've already claimed the most important bit of your role, this seems like pretty minor stuff.

this post is really weird coming from keane

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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CCKeane posted:

Alright so.

Ecco was the first person to raise the problematic implications of the word lynch in mafia games, and generally uses execution or hanging.

I find claims of a execution bomb here pretty suspicious, because the change of terminology here is pretty different from what Ecco usually uses. This strikes me as very unusual, and I am very suspicious of it as a result.

My vote on AA will remain, I'm confident in my vote.

an interesting point. obviously not correct in this case, but I'm a little weirded out about how you focused on this as if it were a serious thing. what if AA was changing the terminology to his own as he was paraphrasing a role pm?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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tobbs is the scum
serious keane is freaking me out
hats is maybe a thing, possibly

these are some fresh page 8 extra sticky takes

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

You're basing this on meta?

keane being serious at all and not going for the comedy option is not something I expect

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

Rarity replacing out is the tiebreaker for me. ##vote rarity

I'll refer everyone to my case from yesterday, which she did not address before she left.

##vote bottleknight

afaik rarity loves playing scum and I doubt she'd replace out as scum. I expect you'd know this and are trying for an easy push

personally I am the same way and have never even considered replacing out as scum. right now I am v. upset with ecco for not retroactively changing rarity's role to murder slug

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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kill bottleknight

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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I opened up mmt's posts to see her meta case on tobbs, which she is sure to have made if she is town. mmt has not said 'tobbs' once this entire game

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Nov 22, 2007

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yeah you totally cornered me with one vote that I find annoying because I just replaced into the game

your entire case is irrelevant because it was weak. doubly so because that was rarity, not me. it also states you felt rarity attacking aa was a bus. aa was town. I'm surprised you didn't just let it die and be forgotten

BottleKnight posted:

weird meta defense

it's a direct reply to your meta justification that rarity replacing out means she is scum and it's extra weird you're doubling down

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

I think AA has been playing a really really bad game and saying only things that are wrong, but that doesn't mean he's scum.

I should just give in and admit that I am a meta monster.

I'm not feeling Max for scum this game. That fishiness that surrounds him is absent.

This is so painfully obviously chores' town game that I wouldn't vote him even if he claimed Cop, got counterclaimed, and we lynched the counterclaimer who claimed cop.

I've been wrong on meta calls before (loving TMM) but I was hoping someone had played with Keane when he was town and not a useless shitposter. I have played many games with Keane, and this and FF2 (where he was scum) are the only ones that I've seen this posting style.

I'm really surprised mmt can look at this and not make this post

mmt posted:

I'm sorry to keep banging on this "Tobbs meta read" drum but click here or here to see an example of Town Tobbs normally posts. Look at how many different people he accuses of being scum and how he's willing to throw his vote around.

The Tobbs I'm seeing in this game seems uncharacteristically afraid to make an incorrect case (but is fine making a town read on me) - I'd think it was scummy even if I didn't have a meta read there.
For example, I find it impossible to believe that a Town Tobbs wouldn't have cased Asiina by now.

Do people disagree with me or are they just not reading this case?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

If anything, on rethinking my Rarity case post-flip I became more convinced it's right because she came in late and tried to hardcore put the hammer down on AA, whose alignment she was very sure about, and offered to hammer a lynchbomb while knowing she was only going to be around for 30 more minutes. It's scummy as hell.

were you not also so sure about aa's alignment that you were unwilling to switch votes to someone else?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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sara I am very upset with jackson right now. please be extra mean to him

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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apart from omgusing bk for voting me without even letting me finish reading the thread, tobbs has made exactly one call and one vote (minus a joke on chaoslord)

it's easy to push keane when keane is pushing aa, especially when you know aa's alignment. as mmt did, here and here are the examples she brought up of town tobbs throwing his vote around and making calls even early in the game.

for contrast, the game she cased him in looks just like this one, and she was right about him being scum there. I'm skeptical that town mmt in this game wouldn't bring this up again after correctly getting tobbs in that game, and later on saying she should've fought harder to get tobbs ded

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

after the meltdown, yes.

I didn't make posts like this pre-meltdown:

you're right, granted. all of that kind of ran together when I read it in however many minutes

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Tobbs Gnawed posted:

P sure MMT was scum that game.

Are you badgering MMT for not playing her scum game?

mmt was town and correctly figured out you were scum early on due to posting that is incredibly similar to the way you're posting now, and yet mmt has not mentioned you at all

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Murmur Twin posted:

Reading over the flavor I noticed that Fisk had "a keen sense of the human (and lizard) spirit" which makes me wonder - is anyone else other than Hats a human in this game?

I am not a human

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Murmur Twin posted:

How is stickup (the first person to make a case on Tobbs, one that you've said you agree with) more scummy than Tobbs?

:allears: you're great bk

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Nov 22, 2007

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BottleKnight posted:

This take doesn't even make any sense to me. Like, why be so defeatist?

this is actually the more town tobbs part of it all

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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don't be a slave in both flavor and life, quid. be free!

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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throw in BK and that's the scum team

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

Tobbs normally does throw votes but he also throws a lot of alignment calls out there. I dunno what to tell you here though, I know what scum Tobbs normally looks like. He gets really aggressive and fights back against almost every accusation. This just doesn't look or feel like scum Tobbs to me.

Half jokingly, Tobbs absolutely salivates at the idea of one day either voting scum me out or NK'ing me since that has yet to be reciprocated in our history together. I really think I would have been the NK last night if he had any say in it.

this game, tobbs has not thrown alignment calls out there except when badgered, and even then with nothing to back them up despite it being talked about in the thread. now he's posting about other games again instead of addressing the issues brought up.

defeatist tobbs is town tobbs, but tobbs, as a meta maniac, knows very well that his town meta is to be defeatist. in light of the rest of his meta being spot on, I'm not willing to straight up call him town just due to a defeatist post or two.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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got some chores tonight posted:

i want to join the mmt - stickers alliance

we are always allied, in my heart

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max - do you acknowledge that Tobbs (a) normally makes lots of cases and throws his vote around, and (b) has only made a single case this game on Keane and hasn't budged from it?

please only answer with the words "yes" or "no". you may also emptyquote this post for yes, or brokenquote it for no.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Pinterest Mom posted:

I feel Max is likelier to be scum than Tobbs? Like, there's a universe where Tobbs is actually town and Max is scum, but the other way round I think is less likely.

##vote max

I'm conflicted as I think his opinion on tobbs is illogical, but he has a point about grandi

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

Also not to be that guy but there are 5 living players who have less posts than Ecco and it sure would be swell if they weighed in on literally anything at all (Quid).

:yeah:

would be fine killing all lurkers even if it means we wind up in a precarious position tbh

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Max posted:

You aren't reading what I'm posting correctly. I'm saying that I don't really suspect Tobbs because I'm still alive. He would have killed me.

not if mmt is right!

how can you be so sure that tobbs would have night killed you? do you think the other scum would have no say in the target just because tobbs is scum?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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did tobbs tell you that you would have been his first target in the scumdoc

be honest, no lies allowed

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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:dong:

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Nov 22, 2007

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Grandicap posted:

That I've actively noticed when reading? I got a couple of town reads, but nothing strong scum. I feel like the case on me is easy since I've been more or less absent, but I can't argue against it for the same reasons.

would you perhaps feel interested in sharing some of those reads

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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hey quid here's a summary of the recent conversations

tobbs isn't a killer because max is alive
max isn't a killer because chores is alive
grandi's thoughts are only for scum to know

well, goodbye

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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that moment when you forget who you arbitrarily called scum

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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the vote count is v. cute right now

:c: The Current Day 2 Votecount :c:

Grandicap (1): Max
Quidthulhu (1): got some chores tonight
this is a stickup (1): BottleKnight
Tobbs Gnawed (1): Murmur Twin
BottleKnight (1): this is a stickup
Max (1): Pinterest Mom
CCKeane (1): Tobbs Gnawed

Not Voting (5): CCKeane, chaoslord, Grandicap, Quidthulhu, The Lord of Hats


:h: With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to be executed.
:d: The current deadline is March 13th, 2017 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 22 hours, 12 minutes from this post.

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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CCKeane posted:

I would expect a town player to be banging a hammer on the table trying to get people to go with them, especially since Tobbs claim on his read of me was very forceful.

So the woe is me bit doesn't follow.

:agreed:

Tobbs Gnawed posted:

Doesn't matter, I'm probably going to flip today and MMT can continue her streak of always being wrong.

lol. mmt was right last time for the exact same thing you've been called out for here

##vote tobbs

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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I'm not voting anyone

forgot I was voting bk
##unvote
##vote tobbs

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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Grandicap posted:

This smugpost is super light, but it feels smarmy scummy.


Another holier than thou post.


After the fact poo poo I see scum tsk tsking town.

Ok, then stickup replaced in and did stuff too.

stickup's catchup stuff is not terrible. He was around when Keane actually used to play, so I don't get his trepedation there, but that is minor.


I don't like the meta defense of Rarity. It feels cheap.


This is such an odd construction... That it actually happens is even odder. Is mmt the scums for seeing how he should be acting and getting self conscious about it? Focusing on stickup first, but MMT might be my next thing.

Ok, I would not be sad to see stickup go, but I don't think he has done anything super scummy, just some tone stuff with Rarity and then being in the position to replace in.

your catchup stuff, though, is pretty terrible. my meta defense of rarity, which was a direct response to bk, was also confirmed my someone else. which part is cheaper, the insinuation that I'm scum for replacing in, or a person that loves playing scum would not replace out as scum?

why do you think my post about mmt is odd? or rather, what do you think is odd about it?

sentimental snail
Nov 22, 2007

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can I also take the quiz for bonus points???

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BottleKnight posted:

I think Quid's lurking (like pretty much all lurking) is alignment-neutral and he should just replace out instead of us lunching a low-content player and getting very little content out of it except a flip.

that would mean he is scum anyway. we might as well just kill him now

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