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I putting my vote in for The Count in Angola. I kind of like the idea of a goon LP of a pack of mercenaries making the world a better place.
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Angola - The Count. The whole Angola situation vaguely reminds me of an Alt-Hist story where Ayn Rand tried to set up her own country in Katanga, especially with the Count/Rosen/Hammarskold connection and of course the pack of libertarians. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 06:57
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I think by backing up the Count, we actually do have the potential for putting down some roots - maybe training a new Angolan Air Force wouldn't be that bad of a retirement plan down the road... The Dictator might be the currently-recognised government of Angola, that doesn't mean they like him. I mean, maybe the Chinese are still trading with them (like they are IRL), but we've already gotten those guys mad at us, I'm not sure they can actually get any angrier. The count does seem to have backers, both overseas and (going by the apparent high motivation of his forces), real local support. If we tip the scales, I'm sure that people will come around. We should keep in mind the potential opposition we might be facing. I'm predisposed to backing the count, so I'll just put forward my thoughts on that position. I think there are likely 3 factions we might wind up fighting against. 1) The Regime's own air force. These guys apparently fly F-16s. 2) Mercenaries hired by the regime or the Free State, probably both. These are likely to be wildcards, both in tactics and equipment. 3) Chinese 'volunteers', probably flying in support of the regime. We already have a pretty good idea of what they are packing from Tibet. I don't think China, in its current state, would be able to send forces halfway around the planet to hunt us, but I could see them bankrolling the regime to hire additional pilots to go up against us, or materiel. I mean, if were backing the dictator, all we're up against are probably other mercs, Chinese volunteers (although supporting an unrecognised regime might be going a bit far for them) and a potential backstab from the regime itself. If we back the free state - well, that's more or less the exact same set of opposition as if we backed gthe Count, only without any popular support. I dunno what we might be up against in the Bering Sea. Presumably other mercs? I don't know if there are any governments actively involved in that conflict. Backing AngerPEACE seems like it would bring in governmental opposition very, very quickly. This is obviously all broad strokes stuff, mind. I'm not really an expert in the nitty-gritty.
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Apr 18, 2017 16:28
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NewMars posted:I do want to point out that our ground force's commander isn't just a Kurt Russel Cosplayer. Forget about that, the International Moose Count is underway!
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Apr 18, 2017 19:17
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Night10194 posted:You know it just hits me: It's worse than that. Hired Goons Ground Division: The Florida Men. Explains everything.
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Apr 18, 2017 19:19
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Yooper posted:Voting is Closed. You could always ask the goons in the voice acting thread if any of them are willing to lend their talents to the cause. Also, since we're backing the Hoff, it's only right to have an appropriate soundtrack. Edit: Also, could I be a pilot for one of future support planes? Callsign Pike. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 22:22
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I'm wondering who this mystery operative might be...we've not exactly met a long list of people. Maybe Wing Commander Rohan survived and has now gone into the private sector? Can't be Jimmy the Juggalo, since the other person was described as being totally crazy...unless that person makes Jimmy look sane in comparison.  Saros posted:I think our first target should be to knock down or capture the border radars so the Dictator is blinded. I suppose the major issue is going to be being so close to the border will mean if we get raided, we have less time to react and the bases could get overrun if things go bad on the ground. Since I've heard certain folks touting the Gripen's being able to fly off improvised strips, we might want to look into being able to expand the facilities so we can operate more birds at once. If we can spare the cash, of course.
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Crazycryodude posted:This would dovetail nicely with putting down roots in Angola like a few people have suggested, too. I'm sure the Count would love to have us hanging around after we singlehandedly save his revolution. Hell, training the Angolans would give our many, many surplus pilots something to do instead of waiting Edit: Zaodai posted:For those suggesting that our ground forces just take out the radar stations for us, keep in mind that this isn't the remote mountains of Tibet. There are going to be actual forces in the area and probably some heavily armed locals to boot. Our ground forces have no armor, basic assault rifles, and two mags of ammo a piece. We have no comms equipment, no recon equipment, 12 men, and a stolen Geo Metro as our dedicated transport. Delta Force we are not. Plus we don't even get paid for the jobs we do for you guys. you made hundreds of millions of dollars off the strike we assisted in, and our payment was "whatever we could steal from the radar station before reinforcements show up*. That's where we got our Metro! We also got $10k from the Chinese for ransoming an officer. Well, if you're done with the stick-beatings, you could always tag along with the Count's ground-pounders. If we play our cards right and start rolling in the Lithium, you'll be able to probably piggyback on their getting new toys too. Plus stealing from the vanquished foe is in the finest mercenary traditions. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Apr 18, 2017 |
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Apr 18, 2017 23:02
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Coffeehitler posted:Or they could embed with either local or our troops for Forward Observer duty to call CAS or other strike missions. This is also true. We really need to get coordinated with the local forces ASAP. I mean, we can definitely do a lot, but they're going to be the ones taking and holding the ground. I like the suggestion that i think Barracuda put forward of setting up an Observer Corps of dudes with binos and satellite phones to help cover the gaps in our radar net. I think we want to try and keep a close eye on how things develop on the Free State front if we can. If either of us get too successful too quickly, the Dictator might be willing to reach a compromise with them (which, after all, is what the Free State wants) so he can then turn around and smash us in a Luderndorff offensive-type attack. We want that fight to be as long and drawn out as possible. Not sure if we'd have any realy option to somehow effect that front, but we need to keep that in mind.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:17
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Saros posted:Radar wasn't mentioned as specific things that would really boost threat so hopefully its not too bad. Plus this sort of strike is exactly what Tornadoes are built for. Yeah, but come on. If the merc air force your opponent hired started blowing up your radar stations, you'd not just sit on your rear end and let them do it. I mean, it's almost 100% the right call, but we need to be aware it's going to provoke a response. Hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:35
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Soup Inspector posted:While a good point, we also have to keep in mind what Yooper said about internal stability - if we dilly-dally then the good Count's forces could implode. We need to act with speed without falling victim to haste. True, true. But we need to keep an eye on that front. I wonder if there might be any way to arrange an invasion attack on that exclave? I mean, its not like the redditors or whoever would be able to easily reinforce it, and it'd be nice to have the extra airfield. Then again, it's not really any military value unless we wanted to loop around and start hitting from the North, which would be more trouble than it's worth. And logistics would be a nightmare. It's a pipe dream, really.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:48
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Phi230 posted:While I appreciate your generosity you noble airgoons such an influx of money would break intended balance of the LP and make it less fun*tm If the groundpounders aren't buying Bogdan's cousin, though, maybe we should invest in him on the Count's behalf to help set up a cadre of experienced regular forces for the Angolans?
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Apr 19, 2017 06:52
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I think it's worth noting pushing in on the Lithium Mines in the west is going to be pushing us also towards the capital. That's also going to raise the threat level significantly. I mean, taking the capital would be a massive bonus, but still. We need to keep that in mind. Bacarruda posted:Agreed! If you want to put up a Venmo, GoFundMe, or Pateron kinda of thing, I'd pitch in a dime. There's a whole thread of Goon VAs over in Creative Convention, for one thing.
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Apr 19, 2017 08:37
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Saros posted:Well we at least wont have to worry about commercial flights much, your typical day over Angola looks about like this: Tevery Best posted:I wonder what the other mercs' briefing about us is like. Have some (terribly, terribly written) pilot backstory: Sean 'Pike' Baker posted:So, why did I sign up with Hayard-Gunnes?
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Apr 19, 2017 11:20
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I'm actually rather curious to hear that the Sultan's First are looking to buy a bote of their very own. I wonder if a sufficient defeat here would prevent such a purchase, so, perhaps, we might buy it for our own use. Actually I'm curious if we have any speculation as to which merc outfit is flying for whom. While SMARF seems to be the more professional of the two so one might think they are flying for the Dictator, the whole social media connection means I could see them instead signing up with the Free State. I know that side of things would appeal to those assholes. The Sultan's First already have experience in Anti-Piracy, so it could be that the Dictator's hired them. After all, sea escort is apparently part of the mission profiles he was offering us. Of course, they could well instead fly for the other team just as easily - SMARF favour stable contracts, so the fickle demands of the Free State might not be for them, while the Sultan's First apparently have a sense for adventure which might align them with those guys just as easily. It's probably worth noting that the Dictator might well turn on whichever batch of mercs fly for him if they don't perform to his expectations. Whether they'd defect to the Free State, us, or just bug the gently caress out is up in the air. Might be worth factoring into our strategy.
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Apr 19, 2017 12:08
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Soup Inspector posted:
Aw, shucks. Pike is probably either doing his best to help out the ground based ops at present or dallying in humanitarian aid. That or flicking through his collection of books his pal kept sending to him over the years. He's currently midway through Waymarks. I think my request for a dude got lost in the shuffle, though. Yooper, I'd like to fly a support plane (no real preference). Callsign Pike.
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Apr 19, 2017 19:13
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I called it! Man, you'd think the Indian government would have made her a drat hero for her service. I guess it's all been swept under the rug to prevent it from escalating further. Wing Commander Rohan is the hero Angola needs. I'm sure they'll give her the gratitude her own country didn't.
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Apr 19, 2017 22:42
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Night10194 posted:I also suspect that to the average news reader "We lost 30 jets and gutted our air force taking on 10 and only beat 4 or 5 of them" doesn't sound like a victory, despite the fact that even THAT was a huge achievement given what they were up against. Man, this really is an action movie. She was the best pilot the Indian Air Force had ever seen...but after surviving a suicidal mission to achieve a key victory, she was unfairly stripped of her rank. But now, a determined political idealist and his scrappy bunch of rebels and freedom fighters need her help to liberate a nation. And a wicked dictator and his mercenary minions are about to learn that... You Don't Mess With The Rohan Coming this summer.
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Tevery Best posted:Soon-to-be-Active-Duty-Pilot Thunderlips asks: Could we please stop recruiting intel operatives at the local drunk tanks? Thanks in advance, brother. Coffeehitler posted:If WC Rohan is really in such dire straits with the Indian government/military, we should offer her a permanent home. Sounds like she got burned doing us a solid, least we could do. I'm guessing probably bombing the Secret Police HQ or something similarly awesome. I figure Bogan won't actually be too useful - he's unstable, and we seem to have a decent hearts-and-minds arrangement going with the locals, so hopefully we can get local intelligence that way.I don't really think that Zack's satellite linkups will be too useful - if anything, might be best to keep him in our back pocket for future endeavors.
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Apr 19, 2017 23:07
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El Spamo posted:Yeah, after Jack's booze-fueled idiocy I'm definitely throwing my vote in for Rohan. I'd rather a vengeful loose cannon than either of those two lushes. At least when she flies off the handle it's going to include missiles flying at enemy assets. Yeah, she's a reckless loose cannon, but dammit she gets results!
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Apr 19, 2017 23:11
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power crystals posted:As our resident drone wrangler I feel like I should vote Zack but gently caress it, Rohan. I'm thinking maybe she and her
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Apr 19, 2017 23:14
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90s Cringe Rock posted:She won't stay with us forever, but hire Rohan now and on some distant day, on some future contract, the Rohirrim will fly to our aid. I think you mean Rohangolan.
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Looking at the map, it looks like the free State only has the one Lithium mine on their border, so it seem like one of their opening moves will be to try and move in on that. Seems like most of the Dictator's forces will be aligned against us as a result. Since we know where we're based, we should get an idea of where our counterparts might be located - both our opponents and the Count's own forces. I'm guessing the Count will base his guys at Menongue, to cover his other flank from the air, with any support/training at Ngjiva in the rear. The Dictator's hired gun will likely be at that relatively central location, since that will allow them to cover either front as the situation permits. The fact that most of these airports are civilian means that attacks on the ground are going to be very risky - while the Free State or Dictator will probably not be too squeamish about collateral damage, I imagine the Count will not be pleased - and it would undermine his local support. On the plus side, I suspect the other mercenary outfits are so coldblooded to risk that sort of thing - it'd be bad to business. So unless we really piss them off, we should probably expect any attacks on our base to come from the Dictator's own birds. Our axis of attack is going to be moving up the coast on the mines and the capital, so we should plan for the uptick in threat that will result accordingly. GenHavoc posted:I was going to vote for the drunk (well one of them anyway), but I can't oppose the imperial croctopus overlord. Rohan. Yeah,
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Grey Hunter posted:I also nominate myself as first bote commander! Clearly Croctopus should be the official Goonbote Patch/Emblem.
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Apr 20, 2017 12:12
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Yooper posted:This mans a professional. He'll make a great naval officer Would it possible for us to run simultaneous ops if the situation permits it? Like how we did escorts and ground attack in Seafood Buffet & max Profits/Around the World? Seems like multitasking would be a good idea...as long as we don't get stretched too thin. Which is another point for Rohan, really - even if her missions are random, she'll be keeping up the pressure on the enemy (just as long she doesn't run off and start committing war crimes.  )
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Apr 20, 2017 12:31
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Geocities Homepage King posted:If one of her missions turns out to be a crazy bombing of a civilian target or whatever would that be tied back to the Hired Goons? She'd literally be based out of the same airbase we are, so that might be a problem. Of course, if we make sure she's hired on as an independent subcontractor and not an employee we should in theory be able to wash her hands of her should the worst happen, just arrest her when she lands and hand her over to the appropriate policy. The fact she's flying her own jets (which are distinct from ours) means we should be able to protect ourselves from liability if the worst happens. But frankly I think it's more likely she'll blow up military targets we maybe don't want her to and inflate our threat level as a result than commit literal warcrimes. Maybe we should invest in a therapist to help her work through her issues in a healthy manner?
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Saros posted:Yeah maybe go easy on the cluster bombs with this one guys. This sounds like a good idea, but let's also see what the Count has to say. He's probably got a wider overview of the situation to give us. I figure we hold off on using cluster munitions except in case of emergency. A lot of the Count's international support apparently comes from humanitarian grounds, so using those sorts of weapons should be a last resort.
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I vote we hold off on using cluster munitions for now. Use them if necessary, but they shouldn't be our first resort.
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I think we should have faith in Rohan. She may be vengeful and angry from J-20gate, but I don't think she's going to take it out on civilians.Crazycryodude posted:What if we load up the cargo plane with a bunch of Angolan paratroopers and wait no WHAT ARE YOU DOING GET YOUR HANDS OFF ME I CAN'T GO BACK THERE I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody proposed Entebbe again.
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Apr 20, 2017 15:01
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Yooper posted:Zack is our only entrance to the world of high quality satellite imaging. The best we can do is OSINT and hit Google Earth. xthetenth posted:Can we buy Rohan a shrink so she'll be in better shape for next theater and hire Zach?
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Apr 20, 2017 15:11
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Man, I feel kinda lovely that we're all immediately assuming that Rohan is suddenly going to devolve into a total screaming loony. (Aside from an offhand comment Yooper threw in that may well have just been to fake us out). As long as she agrees to abide by the rules of engagement of 'don't blow up civilian targets', I think the problem is mainly going to be her being overaggressive and the dictator thus throwing more things at us. But she might provide both extra coverage and keeping the enemy guessing. I feel like it's not going to be 'if we roll a one she napalms a refugee camp'. Maybe I'm being overoptimistic in human nature, but PTSD doesn't turn you into a supervillain, dammit. If we don't go with her, maybe we should recommend her to the Count to help build up his air force after we leave.
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Apr 20, 2017 16:22
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Loel posted:We can cover his debts, gosh. A few million in Vegas is worth a Lithiun mine. So can the other guys, and the Dictator already starts out with all of the mines. I don't suppose anyone is going to step up and advocate for Bogan? Or have we agreed we already have enough lunatic ground assets already on the payroll?
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Loel posted:Ahem. The count's not just some hippy, he's been in at the sharp end. He has guns, and very dedicated soldiers, even if they don't have the heavy equipment to back it up. If we wanted to lean on somebody for Lithium rights, we shoulda backed the Free State, they're nothing without the mercs. Maybe we could take some shares as payment. Unless we moved in an occupied the country ourselves, there's no way we could hold onto it. koolkevz666 posted:I'm glad we went with Rohan in the end I would hate to think of the state she would end up in after having India turn it's back on her we then did the same. Also what's with the sudden hard on for drones from everyone? We did okay with our AWAC plane and intel from our employer against China and now we are up against some third rate dictator and you all want the flashiest toys. Yeah, hopefully fighting for a righteous cause will give her some measure of peace. I think people got worried she's going to cross the line and that would then reflect on us. Also the siren song of drones is somewhat tempting, especially after the somewhat wanting intel we got in Tibet. We got our drones, though, didn't we? So I think we can handle that ourselves. On the bright side, we can hire Zack for the next op instead. Assuming the Irish Mafia don't take his thumbs, first. While I accept that she's going to be doing her own thing when it comes to mission selection, can we hopefully get some measure of coordination between us? Making sure we don't trip over each other seems like the bare minimum we should try to accomplish. We could also loan her support from any of our birds that we're not using for our own operations/holding in reserve - although obviously making sure that they stick to our own rules of engagement. Hopefully that'll help foster greater cooperation. Actually we should also check in with the Count's own airforce, too. They're pretty beat up, to be sure, but working relationships are good to have. Actually, maybe we should codify our rules of engagement sooner rather than later... Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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I like First Impressions, but are we using the Sperwers for anything? Might be handy to have extra eyes in the sky.
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Mr Crustacean posted:Voting: Operation First Impressions I like these suggestions. Can we check in with the Count's own air force? Do we know what their operational plans are?
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Apr 21, 2017 10:43
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Yooper posted:It needs some maintenance. Actually lots of maintenance. The best way we can help them get aircraft is to get their ground forces to an airbase and hope they capture some air frames on the ground. Can anyone else say 'Entebbe'?  We could use our Shilkas to go out on recon runs to see if we can maybe ID supply depots/hidden SAMs at the front. If we time it so they're spotting while the CAS strikes are going on, the enemy will be too distracted to try and shoot them down. If we're not using the SK-60s to escort the convoys, it might be an idea to keep them in reserve. If we ID targets of opportunity that don't have AAA protection that we could send them out to say hi. Or have our other birds take out the AAA on say the tanks or MRLSs and let them the take out the actual targets (assuming they pack the appropiate munitions). We need to factor in that the F-4s apparently only get one run out for this op when it comes to our planning.
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Mr Crustacean posted:Keep the Sperwer flying ahead of our convoys, it costs nothing and will pick up any ground forces along the route. If we send the Reaper/C130 we have to be very, very conservative with them and have them hang back from the exclusion line. chitoryu12 posted:Remember how Yooper introduced the sort of "heat meter" thing for Angola? While it may seem like a good idea to make preemptive strikes or go above and beyond in destroying enemy targets, that also risks drawing more attention to Hired Goons and possibly resulting in greater enemy forces in later missions or even attacks on our airbase. Plus, Rohan will probably be poking the bear for us. If we get the chance without risking getting them shot down, sending the Sperwers to try and scout out enemy positions shouldn't be escalate the threat level too much. We need additional intel.
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power crystals posted:You know, unless they get shot down by their one weakness, "literally anything with a gun or missile of any kind whatsoever". Though they're so cheap I don't know if I'd care. The main issue there is we can't really replace them on short notice. They're mostly for observing the ground, which I think the Count's forces would appreciate.
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Quinntan posted:If it's possible (and it should be, given that their launcher is towed by any old truck) have the Sperwers attached to the convoys. Keep one always airborne and when it needs to be recovered, launch the other one. That way, we should always be able to have some spotting ability with the convoy.  The Convoy is not going to be attacked from the ground, it's safely behind the lines.Coffeehitler posted:There's already an attack on our airbase, so I'm not really sure what the problem is. The change in opinion/stance from "Let's steal the frigate/J20s" to "Let's be nice to the man lobbing rockets at our house" is incredible. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Apr 21, 2017 |
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Quinntan posted:The front line in a situation like this is going to be incredibly porous. It would be pretty easy for a small party to set up an ambush site for one of the convoys. Yooper posted:3. Correct. The threat will be from the air. The convoys are moving away from the main front
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