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Jan 20, 2017


My first probation here was for giving someone poo poo over cheering for a tackle that badly scrambled the brains of a Packers player back in '06

Tbh it's been weird seeing concussions become a major deal in public discourse like 8 years after that

remember the days of JACKED UP clips? They just kinda quietly stopped doing these

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Jan 20, 2017


iospace posted:

What about a Zima?

I thought these things were discontinued, but I saw some of them for sale the other day.

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Jan 20, 2017


latinotwink1997 posted:

Lose a few pounds you fatty.

Cold increases your metabolic burn :eng101:

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Jan 20, 2017


Athanatos posted:

Seems like a good time for a reminder the Chat Thread is a thing. It's there now and during the season for all your off topic chat stuff.

But it's not during the season, it's July, so...carry on.

One thing I have noticed over the past decade plus is that there's far less discussion of actual news over the past like five seasons. Usually people will make 2-3 comments on a news article and then resume general chitchat. Used to be you'd get pages of discussion and additional sources.

I don't think the division threads are helping this any. Did you guys know Dorial Green-Beckham was cut recently?

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Jan 20, 2017


Big Ol Marsh Pussy posted:

the best post in tff history was when MV probated a guy for saying the name of former texans 6th round pick DeMarcus Faggins

Elisha Manning

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Jan 20, 2017


here have some actual news rumors

https://twitter.com/Mr_KevinJones/status/881989675631525888

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Jan 20, 2017


GonadTheBallbarian posted:

Snyder is not a smart business dork

In this case it's not so much business sense as it is spite, though. He can easily afford it!

At least Skins fans will get to keep their quarterback.

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Jan 20, 2017


AFC football is fake, rigged, and unenjoyable

NFC forever

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Jan 20, 2017


good news

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no more dick pill ads for NFL broadcasts

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Jan 20, 2017


Metapod posted:

Also why would a dude from Georgia who played in Detroit for his whole career be dead set on Oakland and not say like New England if he wanted to win so bad

Sincerely I think it's because if you go to New England and help Brady win another ring you end up as another cog in the engine (a la Randy Moss if they had actually won) but if you go to Oakland with a young, mostly "unproven" quarterback and a flaming hot team on the upswing you can get massive amounts of attention and credit

Sometimes winning isn't the only thing, it's how you win

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Jan 20, 2017


Kalli posted:

I hope the playoffs are just like:

AFC: Bills, Dolphins, Bengals, Titans, Jaguars, Chargers
NFC: Eagles, Vikings, Bears, Buccaneers, Cardinals, Rams

So that everyone is just going ALL TEAMS BAD and pumping up Palmer and Rivers as the playoff savvy QB's.

Jags - Eagles Super Bowl out of that bunch easy

Maybe Bucs over Eagles

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Jan 20, 2017


The Packers are so strange. How do you have Rodgers, a very good offensive line, a ridiculously deep receiving corps, a top 5 DT, a good pass rusher, a top 6 (:colbert:) safety, and still struggle* like they do?

Like obviously last season they went deep in the playoffs after running the table but this is the sort of team that should be cutting through opponents like a hot knife through butter. And the past several years are just a consistent pattern of blown opportunities and massive playoff chokes.

The NFL is hard.

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Jan 20, 2017


Grittybeard posted:

To be fair he's a WR who should probably have been playing RB all along.

Monty is huuuuuuuge

https://instagram.com/p/BWgpL6QBRvE/

edit: his scouting reports:

"Built like a full-grown man. Body type resembles that of a running back."

"Tightly wound with scouts questioning if he's too muscled."

"Ty Montgomery is almost historically unique. He checked into the combine at six feet even, and 221 pounds, but Pro Football Reference lists him at a svelte 216. The only other NFL receivers since 1966 to be six feet tall or less but at least as heavy as Montgomery are the following: Josh Morgan, Tamarick Vanover, and Marcus Vick. Montgomery simply looks more like a muscle-bound tank than any of these players."

"He's got a running back's body with very good quicks and good yards after the catch. A creative coordinator could use him in a variety of different ways, as a wildcat option, a slot receiver, an H-back, a receiver out of the backfield."

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Jan 20, 2017


SHOAH NUFF posted:

who is the top 5 DT, and good pass rusher on the Packers? Two different people?

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Also curious who the players on Defense are. Clay Matthews is the good pass rusher?

Mike Daniels is the DT, Clay Matthews has declined a lot from his prime but is still a solid pass rusher

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Jan 20, 2017


Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:



I think he is actually a pretty poor coach.

His first two seasons he took the Packers from 4-12 to the conference championship, then three seasons later won the Super Bowl. He has a lot of flaws but I really can't think of anyone available to replace him that would actually be better. Fat Mike is still a fantastic QB coach as well.

I'm not gonna toss away a coach who wins almost 2 out of every 3 games. Look what happened to the Chargers when they tried that strategy.

Kalli posted:

The Packers basically get injured every year and fall apart because instead of shoring up weak spots on their roster with mid-level veterans during the offseason they rely on random low draft picks and UDFA's, and then whoops, turns out those guys suck and the team suddenly has huge glaring problems.

I think it's more this. The Packers have never had good S&C, injuries have been a severe issue for the team going back to the early 00s. Ted is ridiculously conservative as a GM. It works out fine over the long term, we haven't had cap issues in years and we go to the playoffs every season, but it means it's a harder hill to climb for individual seasons.

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Jan 20, 2017


fsif posted:

I don't follow the Packers very closely, but from the bits and pieces I hear mostly from podcasts, didn't coaching decisions pretty much just waste most of the career of Clay Matthews?

We haven't had a good ILB since Hawk left the team (and he wasn't good either, just consistent) so for a few seasons they put Clay in the middle because everyone else was godawful. Hard to rush the QB when you're putting out fires everywhere else on the defense.

Before that, there was never any investment in pass rushers to complement Clay, so he consistently got schemed against by opponents and shut out because there wasn't anyone else to worry about. This got a bit better when Peppers came onto the team, and the past season with Peppers/Perry/Matthews all together was pretty decent but still underwhelming for Clay compared to his first few seasons.

There's a bunch of young ILBs who look promising right now and Perry is coming into his prime (hopefully) so maybe Clay will have a couple more good seasons on the outside before he really gets into the 30-something decline.

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Jan 20, 2017


It's not the Jeff Fisher line, it's the Mike Sherman line.

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Jan 20, 2017


FizFashizzle posted:

Ron Rivera has won coach of the year twice just an FYI

And?

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Jan 20, 2017


a neat cape posted:

Which of the 2004 QBs will play the longest

Rivers

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Jan 20, 2017


http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/07/14/los-angeles-rams-all-or-nothing-amazon-nfl-films-series

quote:

On Dec. 12, in a team meeting room, Los Angeles Rams punter Johnny Hekker fights back tears as he stands to address his teammates.

“That man is gone because of us,” Hekker says.

He’s talking about head coach Jeff Fisher, who has just left the room for the last time. Some of his former players openly sob, others sit in stunned silence, processing the fact that their leader was fired that morning.

quote:

Coach Fisher is a player’s coach. Those guys love him. By that time of the year, I had been around since the start of Hard Knocks and even before the start of Hard Knocks. I got a feel for that everyday how much these guys liked him. He is loyal to a lot of his players. He brought some guys with him from Tennessee, [wide receiver] Kenny Britt and [defensive end] Will Hayes. Those guys love him.

I’ve been around a lot of teams in my 13 years with NFL Films and I’ve really never seen anything like it. I would even see star players from other teams come up to him pregame and tell him that they would love to play for him some day. It did not surprise me, the emotion that those guys had that day. Everyone had this feeling that Fisher was safe, himself included. A lot of the players thought this was going to be a free year because they moved and they had a lot of other stuff to go through, so everyone was pretty shocked and I think that emotion was really real that day.

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I think they all recognized the value of what we are trying to do here, in showing a side of life in the NFL that people don’t ever get to see. This is what happens when a season goes bad. When you watch the show, you’ll see it’s not because they aren’t working hard and it’s not because they aren’t trying their best, and it’s not because they aren’t talented players and brilliant coaches.

It’s a razor’s edge, the NFL, and a lot of those games early in the season could have gone either way, and are decided on the last drive of the game. That team could have been 5-2 or 6-1 very easily, and to see it not go their way, and then that snowball starts to roll downhill on them and get away from them.

Sounds like a good watch. Looking forward to the Bucs on Hard Knocks, wondering what team will get All or Nothing this year.

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Jan 20, 2017


It's Jim Brown and it's not even close.

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Jan 20, 2017


I'm serious, it's Jim Brown and it's not remotely close. Everyone you're discussing are all scuffling up a dust cloud at #2. #1 is Jim Brown.

He was transcendental. He put up numbers better than modern RBs while playing in 12/14 game seasons. He's the only RB to average more than 100 ypg. He got more than 5 ypc. He's easily in the top 10 for every other rushing stat despite playing only 118 games (#28 on rushing attempts) while the other top RBs played 160+ games. Emmitt Smith ran the ball twice as much as Jim Brown but only has 50% more yards.

He didn't just change the game, he dominated (and lacrosse too) and no one since has been comparable.

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Jan 20, 2017


Kalli posted:

Jim Brown played against a bunch of dudes smaller then today's punters.

like it was loving awesome when he was trucking those fools, but none of them would make an SEC roster, let alone an NFL one.

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Brown played at 6-2, 232 pounds, and history has catalogued him as a battering ram who pounded smaller players into submission. He did plenty of that, but Brown was much more. LeBeau was drafted by Cleveland in 1959, spent part of a training camp with the Browns and then was traded to Detroit. “Jim Brown was a combination of speed and power like nobody who has ever played the game,” says LeBeau. “Obviously arm tackles were not going to slow him down, but he was so elusive. If he got into the secondary, he was so good at setting you up and then making you miss. You just didn’t know if you were going to get a big collision or be grabbing at his shoelaces.”

Teammates remember a studious man, physically gifted, but also intellectually engaged. “Back then, the entire offense would watch film together,” says Wooten. “Jim would be right there with the offensive linemen. He would say ‘Guys, listen, I want to be able to hit this one right over here. And I want you to move it right over there.’ And we would block it exactly the way Jim asked. He had a great analytical knowledge.”

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But of course he can. Belichick possesses one of the best football minds in history. He does not see what everybody sees, even in highlights. You prod him forward. Brown was called a fullback. But was he a fullback? “He was a combination of a fullback and a halfback,” says Belichick. “He had great power and leverage, but he was also very elusive in the open field like a halfback. His quickness, straight-out speed and elusiveness were all exceptional. And he was all of 230 pounds. He was bigger than some of the guys blocking for him. I mean, they might have weighed more, pumped up, but Jim’s hands, his forearms, his girth. He was bigger.”

Brown’s place on the evolutionary timeline of the game is a significant factor in his legacy. He did not play the same position that Adrian Peterson plays. “There was no I Formation in the 1960s,” says Belichick. “There were two-back sets with the backs lined up flat. Jim was five, maybe five-and-a-half yards behind the quarterback. Now guys are six-and-a-half, seven yards, at least. So Jim had to read things much quicker, but he also got to the hole much quicker.

“The last guy in the league, that I can remember, who lined up that close to the line was [John] Riggins, with the Redskins,” says Belichick. “Franco Harris, too.” Riggins played from 1971 to ’85; Harris from ’72 to ’84. After that era, running backs lined up deeper, as many do, now. “Guys like Chuck Muncie, Eric Dickerson, O.J. Simpson,” says Belichick. “The game shifted to a deeper positioning of the running back.”

You ask Belichick for comparisons. Dickerson maybe? He was 6-3, 220 pounds. “Dickerson was more of a straight-line runner,” says Belichick. “Not that he didn’t have great skills. But Jim moved like a 185-pound runner.”

Adrian Peterson (6-2, 218)? “Another guy who is explosive at the line and pulls away,” Belichick says, “but Jim had so much short-area quickness. Quick feet, lateral movement. Franco Harris had some of that, but less speed. I’m not saying Franco was slow, but he didn’t have Jim’s breakaway speed.” Historians looking for holes in Brown’s legacy often note that he played against much smaller defenders. It’s true. But Belichick hammers the point that Brown’s lateral quickness, agility and intelligence are evergreen qualities.

During Belichick’s tenure in Cleveland, Brown came to counsel the team’s running backs, as a sort of adjunct position coach. It was in this role that the same analytical mind that Cleveland teammates had seen three decades earlier presented itself. “He is incredibly perceptive about running the football,” says Belichick. “Tremendous understanding of how to beat defenders, how to attack their leverage to give them a two-way go. He has great insight into what a runner sees, and he could explain it in very simple terms. Here is the tackler, here is your leverage point.”

More than a half-hour has passed. Belichick has walked from inside the stadium to the practice field, to the applause of Patriots fans ringing the facility. It is clear that he has not only great respect for Brown as a player, but also personal affection. Belichick has visited prisons with Brown and supported his work with at-risk youths. “He’s a guy who has a handle on life,” says Belichick. “He’s worked with the worst of the worst, the baddest of the bad, and he can get them under control. Really an incredible man. I hope people understand that.”

One last question: One day earlier you had asked Dick LeBeau this question: If a 22-year-old Jim Brown were drafted into the modern NFL, would that player be effective? “He would be absolutely dominant,” says LeBeau. “There are so many more ways to get him the ball in space, and when Jim was in the open field, you had a problem.” (Wiggin, who studies athletes for a living, says, “The game evolves. I was a player for my time. Jim Brown was a player for all times.”).

The same question to Belichick: If a 22-year-old Jim Brown… Belichick interrupts. “Oh my god.”

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Jan 20, 2017


It's very telling that the argument for why Jim Brown isn't the greatest RB ever is that he was too much better than his contemporaries.

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Jan 20, 2017


Eifert Posting posted:

Jim Brown would be dominant in today's NFL. Anyone who thinks he wouldn't be a perennial allpro is nuts. Forget the other people around him and watch the way he moves on the field in clips.

Brown was also very intelligent and a huge film study. He didn't dominate simply on his physical abilities and instincts, he knew the game and his opponents inside out.

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Jan 20, 2017


Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

was it this thread or the other one where I got yelled at for saying the league needs to/will suspend him because he is incapable of not loving up?

How would suspending him stop him from loving up?

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Jan 20, 2017


Gumbel2Gumbel posted:

Very occasionally when someone is punished they learn a lesson

Almost all of Zeke's problems are in the offseason, when he is not occupied with his career of being a NFL star. Suspending him just gives him more free time to get into trouble. Wouldn't it be better to just keep him at work in the Cowboys' buildings?

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Jan 20, 2017


Which team snaps up Gettleman?

Dejan Bimble posted:

It seems like cincinatti goes for guys who get in trouble for weed and fighting bouncers but not the sort of domestic abusers that other teams used to tolerate.

Joe Mixon shattered a girl's jaw into a dozen pieces for having the temerity to tell him off for calling her friend a human being

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Jan 20, 2017


Intruder posted:

Should I be a Patriots fan this season so I can finally feel what it's like to cheer for a good team

Come be a Packers fan, that way you can still cheer for the Texans without conflict

Also chances are Houston has at least one Packers bar

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Jan 20, 2017


Grittybeard posted:

Antonio Freeman, Dorsey Levens, Eugene Robinson, LeRoy Butler, Gilbert Brown for a few pretty good players.

Sterling was sadly dead by the time the Packers made the SB :(

LeRoy Butler deserved Hall of Fame consideration but is probably not good enough to actually make it in, sadly.

I have no clue how a goon could forget the goddamn Gravedigger.

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Jan 20, 2017


Shangri-Law School posted:

MMQB did that all-time draft we've sometimes tried around here, but they actually finished theirs. Snake draft for players, then reverse-order draft for coaches. Joel Bussert got LT, Bruce Smith and Warren Sapp, somehow.

I can't tell which offense is better:

John Turney's

QB - Aaron Rodgers
RB - Marshall Faulk
RB - John Henry Johnson
WR - Jerry Rice
WR - Marvin Harrison
TE - Tony Gonzalez
T - Anthony Munoz
G - Steve Hutchinson
C - Dwight Stephenson
G - Larry Allen
T - Mike Kenn

or Bob McGinn's

QB - Dan Marino
RB - Marcus Allen
RB - Cookie Gilchrist
WR - Megatron
WR - Julio
TE - Gronk
T - Walter Jones
G - Walt Kiesling
C - Mike Webster
G - Zack Martin
T - Orlando Pace

Turney got Bill Belichick, but he screwed up in also drafting Ed Reed, so Bill would probably have a fatal orgasm after their first practice.

Jim Brown first RB drafted :smaug:

Aside from that some of these early picks are... questionable. Unitas the first (and presumably "best") QB? Don Hutson as the best WR? Like all the arguments against Jim Brown actually for real apply to Don Hutson, even if he transformed the game and brought us the whole idea that a WR can be a huge part of the offense catching passes.

Turney's offense is going to be able to be significantly more complex and dynamic. Like holy poo poo Aaron Rodgers throwing to two of the very best route runners and catchers in the game's history? Then Gonz and Faulk on top of that? And the OL is monstrously huge. You'd see miracle throws and catches on every single play. Rodgers could probably run that offense blindfolded.

But McGinn's offense has a shitload of pure physical talent, really enormously good athletes that are going to be nearly-impossible to defend against. Even the receivers aside, imagine trying to pressure Marino when you have to go through Jones and Pace and when he can just fling the ball down for Megatron/Julio/Gronk to pull out of the air?

I think that's something that would actually come down to coaching and play design. Belichick gives the Rodgers offense a massive edge over Gibbs and Marino & company, IMO.

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Jan 20, 2017


Grittybeard posted:

I swear Gilbert was 4 feet wide standing up. He and Ted Washington have to be the two most mountainous men to ever play the game.

Dontari Poe goes around 350 and he looks positively svelte compared to those two.




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Jan 20, 2017


LOL you guys need to watch this.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-top-ten/0ap3000000437950/Top-10-Big-Guys-Gilbert-Brown

Features slow-mo shots of Gilbert's stomach jiggling

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Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/887314012450455552

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Jan 20, 2017


Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/9kwnv7/bill-belichicks-t-shirt-is-hosed-up


Apparently it's a parody of some other Boston tshirt brand "Life Is Good", which I have never heard of.



Oh god so that's why I had like six of these shirts as a kid, my grandparents from Rhode Island would give them to me as gifts.

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Jan 20, 2017


fsif posted:

It's endlessly fascinating how people are able to compartmentalize their genius fully and completely to one specific facet of their lives.

Belichick would have been a devastatingly successful politician if he'd chose that field.

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Jan 20, 2017


Kalli posted:

I see a lot of stalinist military commissar in Belichick.

I see more Richard Nixon but without the incompetent underlings who committed crimes in plain daylight.

Wait... no, scratch that. Definitely Richard Nixon.

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Jan 20, 2017


Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Ted Thompson should have traded for Moss. Screw him for denying us Favre to Moss in their primes.

A fourth round pick was too expensive!

Ted is a fantastic GM but goddamn he's stingy. Casey Hayward was definitely worth $5 million a year, that's absolutely nothing for a CB.

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Jan 20, 2017


exploded mummy posted:

good news everyone, Browns stadium may be covered in that flammable cladding that killed all those people in the UK


http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-us-hotel-nfl-arena-may-sport-flammable-panels/435557343/?section=nation

Jesus, imagine if that thing went up while people were at a game. How horrific

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Jan 20, 2017


I haven't had issues using reddit streams, particularly the VLC/ACE streams are really reliable

my only problem is that they never have captioning

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