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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Is it cool to hate GRRM because everyone likes him, or have we reached the point where its cool to like him because everyone hates him.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Stephen King is wonderful, and everyone should follow his Facebook. It's entirely recommendations for other horror, and pictures of his dog.

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One of the main draws to this novel, and the series as a whole, is that Kvothe is the key that holds the story together.

The great thing about the book, is that it has a main protagonist.

quote:

the kind of strong, poetic writing that you don’t even notice for how it slides across the page. Reading this language is a pleasure akin to savoring a mug of hot tea, or soaking in a bath, or smelling spring rain as it hits the grass

The kind of writing you don't notice, just like [byword for something that you stop and take time to enjoy]

It figures that a Rothfuss fan would himself be a dreadful writer.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Karnegal posted:

For me, in the wake of Le Guin's passing, he's reading Embassytown, a novel she heaped praise upon.

Awww, gently caress.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Sham bam bamina! posted:

The Edge Chronicles: The Curse of the Gloamglozer.

:kiddo:

Last of the Sky Pirates or gtfo.

I don't care that they're kids books, Edge Chronicles is one of the few fantasy series that isn't ashamed to be fantastical, instead of "pre-Renaissance, but with wizards"

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

How the flying gently caress is Naming unique? Le Guin did it half a century ago!


VVVV Do poetry instead. Because even "good" fantasy books have awful, wretched poetry.

Strom Cuzewon fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jul 23, 2018

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

anilEhilated posted:

Y'know, I was rereading Earthsea while on vacation and it's pretty hilarious how much Rothfuss wanted to write the first book of that.
Which has like 150 pages.
And actual themes.
And a plot.
And is much better-written.

It's his take on the entrance test that really niggles me. He takes a really succinctly written piece on humility and trust, and turns it into a Whedon-esque mess of "witty" banter.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

I'm staggered by the political insight of someone who thinks "power is okay"

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


Wrangling with suppliers! Exactly the kind of wondrous storytelling I like in my fantasy.

Also, Alagaesia is a very stupid name.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Alagaësia, however, is very cool.

I treat fantasy-accents the same way I treat fantasy-apostrophes - ignore them completely cos they probably don't do anything.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


Ah, but according to Paolini himself :eng101:

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Alagaësia (literally "fertile land") has two different pronunciations.

The first, incorrect, pronunciation given in the books of the Inheritance Cycle is "al-uh-gay-zee-uh". However, the sound of the "ë" in Alagaësia is an "EE" sound (the "¨" indicates that the "e" should be pronounced independently of neighboring vowels), so the real pronunciation is "al-uh-ga-ee-zee-uh."

It is stated by Christopher Paolini in the extended version of the Eragon movie that the reason why it is pronounced "al-uh-gay-zee-uh" is because pronouncing it the proper way makes it too uptight.

I'm assuming NotW has dumb place names, but I literally cannot remember the name of any place or region in that book.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Rime posted:

How much money can he possibly have at this point, though? The dude does not strike me as a savvy investor and we know he lost a ton on that stupid table startup. He's been living the high on the hog nerdlife for like a decade, his book sales must be dwindling, and the TV series seems dead. Surely he will have to pay back his advance on the third book if he doesn't poo poo something out in the near future?

Probably has more money than Lowtax, but not by much? :thunk:

I think you're underestimating the amount of money he's made from uh....Thud? Cevasse? Benjuka? Azad? Tak.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010


How do you shoot a scene where an elf is jumping on the heads of dwarves in barrels floating over a waterfall and make it so dour and boring?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

The way Stone-Splitter suddenly hurls his mask off and starts shouting makes me picture a 6 year old having a tantrum, not a big burly warrior.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Karnegal posted:

:vince:

That's better than any response I had


I always pegged Sanderson for the anime fan since all of his books read like an anime - a big excuse to have a convoluted fighting system with too many technique names.

Mistborn really pissed me off with how badly written the fight scenes were. Everybody is spider-manning all over the place, flinging themselves crazily through the air, and it should be all graceful and frenetic. But aside from a few early fights it's written in such turgid detail that it's a boring slog to get through.

So he even fails at being entertaining schlock.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Sham bam bamina! posted:

Fourth is the map at the front.

Rain shadows! :arghfist:

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Also it took him 7 years because he really wanted to gently caress about in a chemistry lab pretending to be an alchemist.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

A Feast For Crows has all those feasts thrown in "honour" of the kingsguard dude, and is entirely a load of awkward silences as the Dornish pretend they don't want to gruesomely murder him. Only good part of the whole book.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

mp5 posted:

a BOTL-tier blow-by-blow of the whole thing

I don't think anyone is labouring under the illusion that WMF actually has anything good though. Even the people who liked Notw's purple prose and urchin misery tended to recoil at the sex ninjas. A take down of a book that is commonly understood as awful isn't really necessary.

What I'd like to see is a take down of various fantasy poems. I can recognise Rothfuss's poems as awful, and the Malazan poems really piss me off, but I know even less about poetry than I do about prose, and a take down of fantasy poems is at least an interesting angle to approach it from

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

Only in the fantasy section of the bookstore can you get by with "setup books".

Oh my god this. The number of fantasy books that are just moving pieces around to set up the next book is astonishingly frustrating. You could excise maybe 5 books of nothingness from Wheel of Time and still be left with one of the longest series (serieses?) of all time.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

I don't see what's wrong with the webcomic, sure, it's twee as gently caress and a little self-satisfied, but sexpositivity is always a good thin..

quote:

In the comic, I caution newbies about the prevalence of racist cuckold material to be found on the internet. I personally see a distinction between racism and consensual race-play. Racism is bad! Thoughtfully playing with loaded power dynamics for mutual, consensual erotic stimulation is fine!

Oh. Oh dear.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Hammer Bro. posted:

I've said it before and I'll say it again -- don't listen to the people who like what you like. Find the people who hate what you hate.

That's how to discover new stuff you'll like.

"What do you hate? By this you are truly known" - Duke Leto Atreides

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Captain Hotbutt posted:



In conclusion, Rothfuss is a land of contrasts. Thank you.

"it's as beautiful as a really beautiful thing" Did Edmund Blackadder write that review?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

As much as it's cool to hate on Grrm I think he does some pretty cool stuff. On a basic plot level he's definitely good at setting up conflicted characters and then smashing them together. But I like how he uses different approaches to fantasy as an exploration of political fiction. Ned and Sansa think the world is entirely an arthurian romance of noble knights and wise queens, and they consistently get outplayed by their enemies. But at the same time, Jaime and the Hound reject this, and frame everything in a very cynical, Abercrombie style, where everyone is petty and lecherous and violent, and this massively limits their influence on the world.

It'd be easy for Grrm to call one of these worldviews correct and the other incorrect, but I like that he acknowledges the importance of political fictions. The most successful house is Tyrell, which is able to juggle the constructed world of nobility along with the brutal savagery of feudalism. Its a much more nuanced take on power than any modern fantasy I've seen.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

pseudanonymous posted:

How is "being all dead" the most successful in your mind?

They're alive and kicking in the books.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

I'm the dude who's reaction to terrifying displays of power is to concentrate very hard on his word choice

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Gitro posted:

So this is the passage and in short I misremembered and you're right


So the lil' rascal plays it really fast I guess, and maybe hammers his fingers into the frets or w/e the lute equivalent is and slams the strings and somehow it doesn't sound like rear end?

Im just picturing kvothe strumming a 3 chord tune 100 times over because he decided to play it way too fast. Everyone recognises the simple, ubiquitous tune and they're just loving it. Someone walks up on stage and slams out baa baa back sheep twenty times at 300bpm and the crowd goes wild.

That scene would be immeasurably improved if Kvothe's gimmick was that he was the world champion Sailor's Hornpipe player.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

SO has anyone read Patrick Rothfuss's "Rick and Morty play Dungeons and Dragons" and is it as excruciatingly awful as that combination of words makes it sound?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Also the inquisition, right next to the Wizard school.

Who, or what, are they inquisiting?

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

ElGroucho posted:

That's a lot of words to say not a goddamn thing

If my kid wrote that as homework, I'd ground him

I always joke that reviews are slowly turning into "this is a good book because it has the quality of being good" and I never expected it to be done so literally.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

HIJK posted:

I'm almost tempted to listen to it but I suspect Sanderson does most of the substantial talking while Rothfuss would only have the occasional point.

Listened to the Rothfuss episode at the gym - it's a load of bland nothingness. I don't have any creative writing experience to put it in context, but they seem to give the shittest, most surface level advice about keeping in mind structure and the rules of your world.

Rothfuss' biggest contribution is making another creepy "characters are like your high-school crush, or your wife of ten years, or that holiday in morocco where you meet a dark eyed beautiful woman" and just kind of blithering and trying to backpedal at the slightest pushback when one of the hosts tells him its a weird thing to say.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

God I love when my uneducated judgemental opinions turn out to be justified. Now, let me tell you how Corbyn should have won.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Kchama posted:

I'm just now reminded of that scene where he attempted to have a conversation that passes the Bechtdel test or however it's spelled and completely fails because the conversation is both about men and the other woman is not actually in the scene, and their dialogue is never actually shown.

Wait, what? My brain is just sliding off this.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

PJOmega posted:

That's really disappointing, I loved Planescape Torment when I was younger.

Planescape is just as tortuously overwritten, but actually manages to be about stuff. Numenera is completely bogged down by its need to be portentous and meaningful.

Although I remember Rothfuss' character being the best of the companions, which is either damning him with faint praise, or just plain damning.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Also the tables are hideous and look pretty awful to actually play on.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

PJOmega posted:

Wait, isn't the beat poetry nerd porn Rothfuss's? What did Ernest Cline write in the same vein?

I do get how they'd be confused. Both were insanely overhyped dreck writers who accurately focused in on their genre's demographic.

Ernest loving Cline posted:

Nerd Porn Auteur

I've noticed that there don't seem to be any porno movies

that are made for guys like me.

All the porn I've come across

was targeted at beer-swilling sports bar dwelling alpha-males

Men who like their women stupid and submissive

Men who can only get it up for monosyllabic cock-hungry nymphos

with gargantuan breasts and a three-word vocabulary

Adult films are populated with these collagen-injected

liposuctioned women

Many of whom have resorted to surgery and self-mutilation

in an attempt to look the way they have been told to look.

These aren't real women. They're objects.

And these movies aren't erotic. They're pathetic.

These vacuum-headed gently caress bunnies don't turn me on.

They disgust me.

And it's not that I'm against pornography.

I mean, I'm a guy. And guys need porn.

Fact.

"Like a preacher needs pain, like a needle needs a vein,"

Guys need porn.

But I don't wanna watch this misogynist he-man woman-hater porn.

I want porno movies that are made with guys like me in mind:

Guys who know that the sexiest thing in the world

is a woman who is smarter than you are.

You can have the whole cheerleading squad,

I want the girl in the tweed skirt and the horn-rimmed glasses:

Betty Finnebowski, the valedictorian.

Oh yes.

First I want to copy her Trig homework,

and then I want to make mad, passionate love to her

for hours and hours

until she reluctantly asks if we can stop

because she doesn't want to miss Battlestar Galactica.

Summa cum laude, baby!

That is what I call erotic.

But do you ever see that kind of a woman in a contemporary adult film?

No.

Which is why I'm going to start writing and directing Geek Porno.

I shall be the quintessential Nerd Porn Auteur.

And the women in my porno movies will be the kind

that drive nerds like me mad with desire.

I'm talking about the girls that used to gently caress up the grading curve.

The girls in the Latin Club and the National Honor Society.

Chicks with weird clothes, braces, four eyes, and 4.0 GPAs.

Brainy articulate bookworms, with MENSA cards in their purses

and chips on their shoulders.

My porn starlets will come in all shapes and sizes.

My porn starlets will be too busy working on their PhD to go to the gym.

In my kind of porno movies the girls wouldn't even have to get naked.

They'd just take the guys down to the rec room and

beat them repeatedly at chess

and then talk to them for hours about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

or the underlying social metaphors in the Aliens movies.

Buy stock in some hand cream companies

because there is about to be a major shortage.

And I'm not just talking about straight porn. Oh no.

There should be gently caress films for my nerd brethren

of all sexual orientations.

Gay nerd porn flicks with titles like "Dungeons and Drag-queens."

This idea is a loving gold mine.

I am gonna make millions,

because this country is full of database programmers

and electronics engineers

and they aren't getting the loving they so desperately need.

And you can help . . .

If you're an intelligent woman is interested in breaking into the adult film industry,

and if you can tell me the name of Luke Skywalker's home planet,

then you are hired.

It doesn't matter if you think you're overweight or unattractive.

It doesn't matter if you don't think you're beautiful.

You are beautiful. . .

And I will make you a star.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

They're completely different! Rothfuss compared nerd-products to sexually attractive women, Cline is comparing sexually attractive women to nerd-products.

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

I cover it in more detail in my LP Thread. It's weird scifi psychic bullshit for everything except the creeper (who believes he has a right to the woman because he raised her from the dead) but its described in terms as "violation" and "forced me".

Tides of Numenera is a bad game.


I'm only halfway through it, but I'm really enjoying the LP. Especially the skewering of the pretentious, bloated writing. Dear god, so many unneccesary words.

It's similar to this poo poo:

Ccs posted:

I was contemplating the success of this book again and the reasons it’s prose gets praise and came across this bit about its most famous passage:

Is the end of a season typically measured in depth and width?
Are river-smooth stones heavier than rough ones?
Are cut flowers patient?

Does poetic license mean throwing out meaning so things can sound a certain way? Because on the face of it the three silences paragraph makes no sense.

In that the writing spends more time and effort on being clever than it does on being good. It's tripping over itself trying to pile in more metaphors, more disjointed imagery, that any actual emotion or tone gets completely garbled. The only bit of dialogue that had any emotional impact on me is with the kids selling songs:

quote:

"Why are sad songs cheaper than happy songs?"
"Because there are more of them"

It's not a stunning insight, but that kind of laconic, adult answer coming from a street urchin tells me much more about the kid of trauma and struggle the kid's had than reams of turgid descriptions.

Look at the Animorphs thread - the writing is pretty simplisitc, but it trusts that the character's emotions and conflicts are enough to keep your interest (and it's characters actually have conflicts and emotions). Some of the best bits of say, Abercrombie or Erikson are when they stop trying to copy Joss Whedon and/or Jack Vance and give the reader room to actually feel something (like the sacrifice of Weakest, or Malazan's many scenes of mourning)

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Donkey posted:

Don't forget the part in the books where Not-Rothfuss criticizes his any-resemblance-to-a-real-person-is-totally-coincidental University chemistry TA because of his perverse insistence on writing down the results of experiments instead of just mixing up magic potions.

supposedly a loving adult posted:

And I learn some interesting things. I learn that the name “metheglin” comes from the old English term for medicine. Metheglin was mead with a bunch of herbs in it. Because, as you know, herbs are good for you.

But as I read more it all started sounding like a *huge* pain in the rear end. The books went on and on about about how I’m supposed to check the ph level and… I don’t know, hydroginize things or some poo poo like that.

What it sounds like is a lot of fiddly bullshit work to me, and that’s not what I signed up for. I wasn’t looking for a part time job. I didn’t want to babysit this goddamn thing for 6 months, petting it and taking its temperature and cooing sweet nothings in its ear.

No. I wanted to muck about with glass bottles and tubes for an afternoon. I wanted to make a potion. I wanted to do some goddamn mad science and then not think about it again until the stuff was ready to drink.

Then I thought to myself, “Self,” I thought. “This is bullshit. Vikings made this, and I guarantee that they did not own a hydrometer. They just thumped it together in a barrel and then drank it and pillaged some poo poo.”

So, figuring that while I wasn’t a chemical engineer by any stretch of the imagination, my understanding of organic chemistry was at least as good as a Viking’s.
https://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/2013/09/on-the-making-of-metheglin/

I think I know why he failed ChemEng

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

pentyne posted:

I hate to be all "classic Liberal arts major" but he really embodies the stereotypes that everyone hates about the literati type who scoff and mock the idea of 'rigid thinking' when it comes to any development process. Also the fantasy of pre-industrial societies as a bunch of morons who just slapped things together and everything always worked so who needs all this big brain notebook stuff?

Nah, he has the same lackadaiscal low-effort approach to writing as he does to to chemistry. I guess it stands out a bit more as we expect scientists to be rigorous and careful and there's no as much emphasis on the idea of writing as craftmanship that takes time and practice to hone.

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Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Based on that quote alone I feel very confident in predicting that style of sofa didn't exist until the 1920s.

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