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Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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The_Continental posted:

Can someone in here explain to me what bitcoins is and how it works?

it's like leaving your car idling 24/7 will produce solved sudokus you can trade for heroin

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Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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somehow even the austrian economists who normally oppose things like "monetary policy" and "control over economy" don't want chinese heat farm tokens

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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wide stance posted:

Still waiting for the goon math of bitcoin's power curve at scale.

I mean if Bitcoin's usage goes up 100x then it'd use 100x more power right? That's always how things scale.

Meanwhile the transport of fiat cash and huge office buildings are powered by magical rainbow energy.

it's about price, not usage, since 1800 coins are generated per day then a bit under 1800*price worth of actualmoney will be wasted on the mining

let's assume miners get 50% discount on electricity so 4500*1800=8M USD worth of electricity

so you'll need that much money from new suckers per day (or print some tethers) just to keep the ponzi running or the price will start falling, that's why it's so much worse than a regular ponzi which can run on just one madoff with a laptop

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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this diagram explains defi pretty well



each transition is another scam

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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is this their new scam after kodakcoin failed?

https://twitter.com/WashTimes/status/1288458134474940417

coiner legacy runs strong

https://twitter.com/MontyBoa99/status/1288483118991769604

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Slumpy posted:

Do you rail against people who eat meat? If we're all talking environmental ethics, we'd only be in the right if we were all vegans. That's why I don't understand this argument.

I'm a vegan nocoiner so obviously I have the moral high ground, but I recognize meat while is a horrorshow destroying the planet it still has some utility keeping the eater alive for a while longer, while bitcoin lacks even that.

eat less meat, send bitcoins to charity or 1bitcoineater, baby steps

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Gobbeldygook posted:

https://twitter.com/josephfcox/status/1293929495276052486?s=19

This is good for Bitcoin because it demonstrates it's value in the marketplace.

some cool looking bitcoin bros on page 16 in that pdf

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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GABA ghoul posted:

This is really dishonest. Bitcoin today is so much more than just drugs and child porn. There is also money laundering and buying stolen credit card numbers.

Feels like you're not giving bitcoin full credit here, extortion is also a major usecase

https://www.foreigner.fi/articulo/national/blackmailers-resume-extortion-of-psychotherapy-company-vastaamo/20201023182636008611.html

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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it's good to have a thread that's just mining USD for the forums

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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tether is the only good crypto, wastes no electricity since the number can just be increased at any time, the price is very stable too so far

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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EUR/USD is about the same it was 20 years ago

RMB is the only major currency I can think of that has really gotten significantly more expensive during that time but it makes sense considering their increase in productivity

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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no_recall posted:

I'm literally being spammed by candle charts, with fib analysis right now.

Personally, these "high tech" exchanges feel like some kind of.. game? With their amazing suite of tools and how the numbers go up and down in real time (comparatively to stock exchanges, the numbers don't naturally do that in the milliseconds). Half of it feels like there's some sort of bot / algorithm behind it all and the other half I dunno, addiction to candle charts and gambling? Maybe?

It's like the stock market except unregulated so the people controlling the stock exchange are also playing against you.
They can see everyone's trades first and can choose exactly what the price is and can burn shorts and stop-losses without having to involve the usual pump/dump coordination problem of having to have real money or people.

Vesi fucked around with this message at 07:47 on Feb 24, 2021

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Rooted Vegetable posted:

Are you all saying that Cryptocurrency is OK if you build a Dyson Sphere?

long after humans are extinct our self-replicating robots keep on harvesting star systems to power the one true coin (bitcoin satoshi vision) until heat death claims the final ASIC

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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spankmeister posted:

I think this joke was too clever for most people.

nah everyone knows maxwell's silver hammer

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Baconroll posted:

Is the large scale mining just money laundering ? Dirty money used for the hardware & running costs and 'clean' crypto out the other end ?

it can also be a way to burn cheap fuel in hard to access places, like unrefined crude in iran or can have the miners right next to an actual coalmine in the chinese west

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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burning up the planet and its graphics cards for laughs & community

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Cirrhosis Johnson posted:

Lmao that goons are so emotionally invested in cryptocurrencies failing.

it's kind of like being emotionally invested in asbestos, leaded gasoline or CFC failing

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Paladinus posted:

When I punched a random person in the face, I was just initiating a discussion about violence and the societal prerequisites for it. It's a makes you think kind of thing, you know.

sounds like you're incentivizing improved cranial protection creation

also your punches will be preserved on their face much like a battery

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Paladinus posted:

Awesome for what exactly?

awesome in like giving control of your finances to a publicly available automatically executed algorithm in some javascript-like language

you could lose money in ways you never even knew were possible

e: maybe someone can link that article where some researcher discovered a bug in one of these contracts but wasn't able to exploit it since the bots reading the transactions would see what he was trying to do and automatically exploit the bug by frontrunning

Vesi fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 16, 2021

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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nnnotime posted:

Why did Elon Musk decide to trash BTC now? He had to have known about the critical issues of BTC [..]

I'm starting to think the musk doesn't really "know" things the same way trump doesn't, he just goes by whoever he trusts that happens to be speaking to him

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Bleusilences posted:

China didn't ban crypto but soft ban it anyway?

china has some of the most of amazing and progressive consumer, labor and anti-corruption laws on the planet

they're not enforced because they're used only as a tool against business/people the local or central government wants to crack down on

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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know when to blame a bug
know when to pull the rug

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Prurient Squid posted:

I'm not an expert on BitCoin and I don't think about it very often. But one time ages and ages ago I was arguing with someone on Facebook about it and I pointed out that you have to download a huge file every time which means that "it has a scaling problem" which prevents it from ever being anything other than a proof of concept. He told me that BitCoin doesn't have a scaling problem and I should "google nodes" and this would explain everything. I didn't.

Was I right or did he have a point?

the huge file isn't really related to scaling since a group of miners can share the same file so you just need to keep it somewhere centralized

the problems are transaction delays, fees and limits to 7 (4 in practice) transactions per second, there's no solution to this other than to do everything off-chain in the unregulated exchanges and treat the actual blockchain like rai stones

except you have to keep paying the miners tens of millions in electricity per day to keep the rai stones from disintegrating

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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if you can't trust the already rich people then who can you trust?

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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https://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/news/day-trader-owns-20-billion-rear end-coins-gamestop-dogecoin-bloomberg-2021-5-1030456785

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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loving those problems where the solution is simply to use over 50% of the world's available resources for it

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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take my bags, please

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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I'm guessing instead of mining they'll just do unregulated finance, like some kind of anti-new-york or albania of the americas

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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MechaCrash posted:

All the major players in Bitcoin keep showing themselves to be stupid, shady, or both. Why wouldn't people immediately assume Coinbase is doing the dumbest thing humanly possible at every step of the way?

it's ok don't worry so much, coinbase themself said they don't do stupid shady thing

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Hello Sailor posted:

Decentralized vaccination records: if a majority of attendees put a NFT on the blockchain that links to ivebeenvaccinated.com, then all attendees have been vaccinated.

not being vaccinated is already documented in the wiki so it'll be fixed soon

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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DerekSmartymans posted:

How the fu…?

I get that it’s useful and awesome, anybody wanna take a stab (or link) at just how this works? PM is fine if it’s too off-topic for butt discussion.

poster above said it allows access if user-agent is set to the google scraper, one possible way to do is for text.fish to read what site you want to go to and then scrape the pages for you and present the results

to make it coiner related text.fish could also insert spam and ransomware download links into the pages and start a javascript miner

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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we need stablecoin to prevent all these dang horses from escaping

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Sinecure posted:

Just... wow

https://youtu.be/Kv6ne6VQCZI

Apparently there's CS:GO clans running massive day-one crypto pump & dumps (or 'rug pulls') pretty much constantly now? How is this not illegal? How many more bagholders can there be?

I don't watch videos but this was a fun article about the same thing

https://sea.mashable.com/tech/16356/inside-the-shady-world-of-influencers-promoting-cryptocurrency

quote:

"I did get sponsored by a loving crypto today," Ross says during this stream. "They're paying me a lot of loving money to do this poo poo. It's, like, three shout outs in one hour so I'm going to loving do it."

"Not just that," he continued. "I get to give out US$20,000 of the coin to you guys. It's a lot of loving money."

quote:

However, the most revealing part of the particular instance is what Ross would go on to say about MILF Token on his stream just three weeks later.

"By the way, that MILF Token poo poo I did a while back? I already told you guys don't buy that poo poo," Ross said to his fans between laughter. "I got paid a bag to do that poo poo. Like, I don't give a gently caress. I hope none of you guys actually bought it."

time to incarcerate a ross again

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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so the future of blockchain was in supply-chain management after all

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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starkebn posted:

Why the gently caress is this the Zeitgeist right now? I've been on the internet since the early 90s and I'm now too old to get it

they're the man now dog

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Parkingtigers posted:

Is anyone else noticing an overlap between bitcoiners and anti-vaxxers/covid truthers/lockdown skeptics? I'm seeing a fair bit of it online, but unsure if both groups are just so annoyingly large and mainstream that it's just looking that way because of numbers, or if I'm just noticing it more due to selection bias because I despise both groups so much it stands out more. Or if, maybe, it really is a thing.

it's just typical contrarian behaviour, it's not enough to have one thing to be wrong about, you need to be constantly on the lookout for other things to be wrong about too

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Karia posted:

Yeah, here's another good thread on just what the implications are. This isn't finding a different payment processor, this is OF potentially getting blacklisted from the entire credit card and potentially banking system. They flat-out do not have a choice: they either cave, or Mastercard/Visa shut them down entirely. poo poo's bad.

https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1428442523001831425

this model runs her own site and said she's already compliant to MC new requirements, it's just OF not willing to do the extra work

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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HootTheOwl posted:

It is.
We already have safe and secure ways to process and transfer encrypted messages without putting them onto a distributed ledger for the world to hold onto until computer power becomes strong enough to crack them.

yeah it's a pretty blatant grab at the too much VC money that's floating around at the moment, the money quote being:

quote:

[..] now you’re seeing what we consider a once-in-a-lifetime alignment of the stars, where there’s interest in privacy from venture capital. There’s an interest in privacy for users. There’s interest in privacy from companies. And most of the interest from the venture capital side and the company side and the user side has been driven by cryptocurrency.

I hope Chelsea gets her cut before it crashes down though, she deserves it

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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Heartbreaking

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Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

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JammyB posted:

Anyway so... I'm still trying to get my head around :airquote:Smart Contracts:airquote: because this is the future and I don't want to get left behind.

If I write a computer program in Python or JS or Go and run it on my laptop then this is dumb moron code. But if I store it on the blockchain and a miner runs it on their computer then my code has been transubstantiated and is now ~~SMART~~.

Someone at work suggested if I want to run code on someone else's distributed compute platform and efficiently solve various business problems then I can just upload it into AWS Lambda or EC2 ASGs or whatever, but I told him to gently caress off with stupid overengineered not-smart solutions.

Quite keen to get with the times because my code is so buggy and not-smart that my clients don't have much trust in me... I'm thinking that decentralising it so that they don't have to trust me anymore sounds like a big win for the team. So happy that bitcoin is solving this problem!

I think the AWS code could be smart too if you connected your bank account to it, made the code open source and gave the public access to the endpoints

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