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Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


joylessdivision posted:

Yeah that really turned me off of supporting them which sucks because they've got a theater in SF that plays some awesome selections.

I've stopped going to the SF drafthouse after the allegations dropped and it turned out Tim League had secretly rehired Faraci and covered up a second accusation against him with flippant responses, the over a decade of Harry Knowles enabling was just piss icing on the trash cake. At that point I was going 2-3 times a month. Luckily the Roxie and Castro are still around and some other theaters are still doing special shows. I'm also avoiding any film festival that screens shows at the Drafthouse and have actively confronted a few of them to get assurances they won't. SFFilm is "actively monitoring the situation" but so far have avoided the Drafthouse so I'm still seeing some of their shows. Tim League has skirted by with no real punishment aside from a "listening tour" and far too many film twitter ding dongs still actively go to their local Drafthouse despite being outraged at every new sex abuse scandal. People at Fantastic Fest were being all defensive about going, I was perfectly willing to not get angry at people who bought tickets/hotels/whatever in advance, but if you are still going now you are part of the problem.

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Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Gal Gadot is refusing to do Wonder Woman 2 unless ties are completely severed with Brett Ratner

https://pagesix.com/2017/11/11/gal-gadot-will-only-be-wonder-woman-again-if-brett-ratner-is-out/

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Ethics Investigation might just be to buy time while they arrange him resigning without giving the Republicans a free shot at whatever insane legislation of the week is happening. Or not. This really sucks, I was hoping he'd run for president, but now I just want him to resign.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Russell Simmons allegedly raped a 17 year old in front of Brett Ratner, who just watched

quote:

“I looked over at Brett and said ‘help me’ and I'll never forget the look on his face,” she recalled. “In that moment, the realization fell on me that they were in it together.”

Khalighi said that Simmons, who was then about twice her age, tried to force her to have intercourse. “I fought it wildly,” she said. He eventually relented and coerced her to perform oral sex, she alleged. “I guess I just acquiesced.”

Ratner, meanwhile, “just sat there and watched,” she said.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-brett-ratner-russell-simmons-20171119-htmlstory.html

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Michael Rapaport is weird but he also yells at nazis on video, he should stick to that and do less protection of powerful monsters

Article is great (and as an added bonus, the selection gives the finger to Trump, who last week was claiming he turned down being Man of the Year), biggest problem is the stories are so vast it can't begin to cover everything. Hopefully Singer is down for the count and the other people who have manages to slip by for so long will get yanked off their pedestals one by one. Burn it all the gently caress down.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Another Dustin Hoffman accuser:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/new-dustin-hoffman-accuser-claims-harassment-physical-violation-broadway-guest-column-1062349

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


If you follow asian film you have probably heard of Bey Logan, turns out he is also a creeper, lots of gross stuff in the link and the guy basically admits it

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harvey-weinstein-s-hong-kong-associate-accused-sexual-misconduct-by-multiple-women-report-1066921

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


More Dustin Hoffman - http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/dustin-hoffman-2-1202641525/

Creeper Terry Richardson finally shows up in a story despite a huge history of doing awful stuff - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/terry-richardson-accused-rape-by-model-caron-bernstein-1067802

Carter Oosterhouse allegations - https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/carter-oosterhouse-accused-coerced-oral-sex-by-makeup-artist-1067502

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


https://twitter.com/darent85/status/943182637765599232

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Movie fans have a weird thing with being okay with watching films containing/made by very bad people which is probably a whole separate discussion that will get this thread nuked. Small animation jobs and films in production are way easier to modify than larger scale projects so I expect this will be somewhat rare but I am betting they will reshoot Deadpool 2. Eventually some studio is going to get burned by losing so much money people with reputations but no clear accusations will start finding it harder to get work. That might take a while and it will probably go through cycles as this industry attracts a lot of awful people that will replace the current crop of awful people.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


As cool as the "Actually, editing out bad guys is Stalin!" hot takes are, they'll just Song of the South all the movies they can't edit, which is worse for those films in the long run because art that isn't seen becomes no longer relevant.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


The screener has already leaked so no Clown Cried legend there

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Steve Yun posted:

I've seen I Love You Daddy. Should I post about it here or in a more general discussion thread?

If you think there are scenes relevant to this conversation, then here is fine, otherwise the general chat thread would be better. I haven't watched it yet because there are far more interesting films from this year I haven't watched yet.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Here is a Maximum Landis compilation:

https://twitter.com/plentyofalcoves/status/944296301356879873

https://twitter.com/fuglypink/status/944312639873863680

Probably more out there but I haven't seen much in article form, though I was busy a lot at work today and new stuff may have shown up that I missed.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.



This early entry stands out because of John Ford having a lot of sense in the midst of all the entries of directors doing dumb things and dying/getting people killed

quote:

The Lost Patrol (1934). During filming in high temperatures in Buttercup Valley near Yuma, Arizona, Director John Ford insisted his cast and crew only work in the early mornings and late afternoons to avoid the most intense heat of each day. Under pressure from RKO to speed up filming, Producer Cliff Reid insisted that the midday break be shortened. Ford refused, believing that many of the crew would be at risk of heatstroke in the 120-degree conditions. Reid tried to prove his point by walking around in the open in the midday heat and soon collapsed with heat exhaustion, requiring hospital treatment

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Being a careless moron that leads to deaths is different from intentional rape but lol at accepting a not guilty verdict as reason to not mock someone.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

i didn't have a problem with Max Landis until he started acting weird and horrible towards Lexi Alexander on Twitter. now that i do have a problem with him for that, i pretty much consider him fair game for mockery regardless of the attribute being mocked, and people make some loving :discourse: helicopter jokes.

My favorite part of this story is that Landis was going to be on a podcast that Lexi guested on and was friends with one of the hosts, and Lexi Alexander told them that someone told her in DMs that Landis had assaulted them. The hosts demanded evidence that Lexi wouldn't provide because it was given to her in confidence, then had Landis on regardless. Then they blamed Lexi when it all blew up in their faces this week.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Ben Vereen harassing women during a production of Hair


http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/broadway-big-ben-vereen-accused-sexual-assault-hair-article-1.3738684

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Here is the James Franco stuff now in newspaper article form

http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-james-franco-allegations-20180111-htmlstory.html

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


I was briefly confused when they referred to themselves as "babe" until I realized what the name of the site was and that capitalizing proper names is the devil

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Two more Joel Kramer accusers

http://deadline.com/2018/01/joel-kramer-sexual-assault-accusations-stunt-women-eliza-dushku-1202243343/

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


21 Muns posted:

Has Aziz Ansari (dumb name by the way, loving alliteration) faced any actual consequences yet?

The only consequence so far has been people saying you are racist if you believe the accusations

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


I'm betting at least some of the women defending Aziz are because they've been in similar uncomfortable situations and don't want to go down a path that means they have to admit to themselves they were sexually assaulted. And some of those situations might not be sexual assault, just people who can't communicate because US society is entirely stupid on sexuality and communications. This is way more nuanced than "bad man did bad thing" but it isn't something to be easily dismissed or rejected and the people who are doing that are doing just as much as a disservice as the people defending Weinstein et al. Add to that a mixture of clickbait titles and articles on both sides and you got yourself a messy stew. By not focusing on these accusations we are eliminating the potential for a discussion on consent that is needed, but also people will get very defensive about.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


porfiria posted:

Not to defend old Aziz, but a friend of mine doesn't like the idea of calling what he did sexual assault because she was sexually assaulted in a much more violent way and she thinks it diminishes the term.
That's a good point I didn't even consider. Of course there is some sort of hierarchy at play in some of this, it's just another symptom of how hosed up society is. I'm not even blaming the women who think like this because they were already failed by the system and now suddenly there is a massive shift yet there were millions of women and girls left in the dust when no one was there for them.

Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:

Yeah, I had the same feeling about some of the women defending him. Obviously, no one wants to say they've sexually assaulted someone, but there can be a lot of issues around admitting, even just to yourself, that you were assaulted or victimized in some way. That's what I don't get about people thinking these women are just making things up, they really don't realize how hard it can be say that you were a victim.

And it is really exhausting having to put up with guys "figuring out" or "working through" how not to act like this. On the one hand, you're absolutely right that the US and many other places have severely hosed up ideas about relationships, dating, sex, communication, and a bunch of other things. So I can't exactly blame young people for absorbing and acting on this information that is presented to them every day. But it's really depressing that learning not to sexually harass or assault people is basically a growing up process for many men. And a lot of them never learn. If you're a woman, you basically have to just put up with it as a normal thing, because if you do speak out about it you risk getting the type of response this woman is getting. I guess this is why I'm not exactly optimistic about the long-term effects of this whole movement. I think it's great that so many abusers are getting outed, but these people don't just pop into existence. Even if all of these abusers/predators never work again, there will just be a new crop of them in the future.

I don't like that term either, but I also recognize that a lot of people come from places where some of this is encouraged, where sleeping with women is just a numbers game and you need to get high score to prove you are a man, and some guys will do whatever it takes because they think they are entitled to it. There just isn't good answers. I think there is a path of redemption for people, but far too often that is abused by the very people who were hiding behind being woke feminists or what not. So any thing that does happen will look suspicious at best and cynical at worst. I do agree that there will just be a new crop of bad people in a few years, but hopefully things have shifted enough that many of them don't become entrenched power brokers. I'm not going to hold my breath, heck right now there are people who did bad things who are slipping through the cracks because the other names are getting the press. It will probably be easier to deny things once the big wave is over. And we still have a sex criminal as a sitting president...

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Some Guy TT posted:

There was a big protest in subzero temperatures yesterday in support of reopening the investigation. Funny how English language media never has time to notice South Korean feminists yet can dedicate infinite digital space to right-wing shitheads who are so widely hated even local conservative politicians want nothing to do with them. There's also a movie coming out next week on the subject, which doesn't look to be in wide release, but is based on interviews the director did with one of her friends. The list has been a constant source of tension in terms of the media industry's relations with the public. Unlike the American media industry, which is hardwired as "good" in certain people's brains because they support the Democratic Party, South Korean culture correctly identifies the film industry as being a major corporate enterprise subject to the same corruption you'd expect to find in other industries.


Which is why I dug this up from two pages ago to write that. While I'm pretty sure you're not trying to be a dick here, there is plenty of healthy public criticism of the more exploitative aspects of the South Korean media industry that up until #MeToo was quite literally nonexistent in American culture. That's why they don't need a special hashtag to talk about it. To them, this isn't new, and is just factored in as one of the many frustrations with the explicit pro-corporate culture of the country under the previous two conservative presidents.
Glad this stuff is at least getting traction in Korea. Hong Kong has had this problem for years, there were movies in the 70s based on scandals of studio heads renting out actresses as prostitutes and the same rumors have continued over time, some of them probably true thanks to triad involvement in addition to the usual sleaze. With mainland China now being the big money place and lots of random billionaires trying to be movie moguls there has to be bad stuff going down but we'll probably never know about it.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


sponges posted:

Why wouldn’t they just fake the spit? What the gently caress is wrong with QT?

You don't want to make the Internet Movie Spit Database angry with fake spit

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Another article on the Alamo Drafthouse and Tim League, who has somehow skirted by with almost no reprocussions despite harboring multiple predators

https://splinternews.com/alamo-drafthouses-long-history-of-minimizing-sexual-rear end-1822816916

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


The idiot in the White House weighing in is especially weird considering he has been involved in a pretty high profile rape accusation case that he took out full page ads in a newspaper to support their executions and still seems to think they are guilty despite DNA evidence clearing them.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


There is always paths to redemption but Faraci has been avoiding all responsibility for the entire arc, including a secret rehiring, other victims (and subsequent hush ups), and this latest reentry into the same sphere and editing his about me page to show he's closely monitoring social media criticisms in an attempt to recraft himself. Add to that Tim League being responsible for enabling another predator (Harry Knowles) and that story about his wife pre-writing an apology letter because of their association with a rapist and the whole thing is a gigantic mess that still has a way to play out. Faraci was toxic before the scandal and with a personality that bad it requires more than just a coat of Buddhist-colored paint to make everyone forget what happened. If Faraci did return in an honest way with a truly changed perspective on things, that would be grand. But it is painfully obvious he just wants his influence back, and he still has a large amount of support from people who are unintentionally (or intentionally) inspiring him to try to cheat his way to redemption.

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Electric Bugaloo posted:

Isn’t there some BDSM porn flick from the 90s that has a scene like that, except that some of the bored/confused people in the crowd are professional actors like Carrie Fisher? If I recall hearing about this correctly (and if it even exists) the project was funded with money from a bunch of showbiz people who were sold on the grounds that it was a particularly experimental independent film. The backers were offered a cameo and so a bunch of actors showed up at a warehouse and watched a topless lady get tied up and, like, flogged or something and the whole thing was filmed.

If I’m remembering it right, the movie ended up leaking onto the internet with titles like “CARRIE FISHER PORN” even though she’s only standing in the background fully clothed with a bunch of other people like they’re watching some performance art, so she sued to get it taken down and I think she later mentioned it in an interview. Maybe they talked about it on VH1 one time? I remember seeing a censored clip that looked super awkward and uncomfortable, with like quick shots of notable faces in the crowd.


IIRC the Southpark guys were also in the audience

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


This is the Lara Croft that only Real 90s Kids will remember!

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


The director intended this scene about choosing which carrot to buy at the grocery story to be about the duality of man and also you have to separate the artist from his work

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


Rumor for O'Reilly is the Newsmax network (which is a thing) was thinking about getting him

Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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A nasty woman, I think you should try is, Jess.


https://twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1005146712078409728

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Tars Tarkas
Apr 13, 2003

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Is he making a Gross Dudes Shared Universe?

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