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DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Someone should really look into the Relativity Media story. Ratner, Spacey and Singer working together. Payoffs were being made to any families who might've complained about Singer and his behaviour, even though he would insist everything was totally legal. Spacey allegedly didn't care about the totally legal part quite so much.

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DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Hollismason posted:

There's not some sort of magical right answer. There's different ages of consent all across the world.

The reason I even bring it up is that Takeis talked about his first experience and it was that type of situation.

It's just something that's a weird statistical fact that gay men a fairly large portion have had that sort of relationship or experience. I think that's a lot of it though is there is most certainly a cycle of that and also at least in most studies gay men's definitely answer on the more nebulous side of consent.

I would presume it's because generally, people of a younger age group are less likely to be 'out' than older men are and so rather than experiment with their own age group and trying to navigate that minefield they enter into relationships with someone more experienced. A couple of gay men I know all said that their first real experience or encounter was with someone who was older, even if it wasn't drastically so.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


precision posted:

I knew Brad Renfro in the years before he died. He actually had nothing but good things to say about Clark and wanted to work with him more.

Probably didn't have a lot of good to say about Bryan Singer though.

I have no doubt that Franco is a bit of a creep, or was at least, but Jared Leto has to be making GBS threads himself about now.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Bay treats sex like it's an 80s Ferrari poster.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Terry Crews is great. I think he'll be up there with Keanu for people that no one has a bad word against.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Basebf555 posted:

Does Glover ever offer anything as proof other than the fact that Spielberg has child characters in most of his movies and was friends with Michael Jackson? Have there been any whispers of anyone accusing him of anything in the past? Are there any now? I 100% believe Feldman when he says a really powerful person in the industry molested him but there are plenty of those, not sure what would lead someone to assume Spielberg.

I don't want Spielberg to be a child molester, I admit, it would really make me see a lot of my childhood memories in a different light.

Feldman has categorically stated that he had nothing but a healthy relationship with Speilberg and Joe Dante and credits both of them with trying to help him out in life. But also, as Feldman allegedly reached private settlements years ago, he wouldn't say a bad word about anyone currently working in Hollywood.

Glover's rant is a little weird and I think at times gets a little anti-semetic.

Detective No. 27 posted:

It could have been Glover still angry at Spielberg over Back to the Future. I know he refuses to even talk about BTTF or sign any of the merch at cons.

He's kind of fine with it. He's talked about it a lot more though he still hates the ending. However, he credits Bob Gale with loving him over which is an oddly specific target to go for over Speilberg or Zemeckis.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Vegetable posted:

Come on, even after the flood of evidence came out, comedians have barely poked at Louis CK. The talk show hosts haven't done poo poo. John Oliver cracked one joke about it on his show. Jon Stewart's been comparing the sexual harassment to alcoholism, like the real victim of all this poo poo was Louis CK.

I don't think Hollywood's going to do a drat thing about Al Franken. I have no faith at all that he will resign, that there will be any kind of sustained media outrage about his actions. He's a progressive firebrand, hugely popular, seen as a presidential hopeful, with powerful friends in the media.

There have been articles about how liberals got it wrong with Bill Clinton. I think it's going to be the same thing here. Political exigency is going to win the day.

To be fair to Stewart, he did also state that it's a problem in the comedy world that these women were ignored or felt like they couldn't speak up.

I think trying to reconcile someone you know and like is bound to muddy the waters on your answer. Of course there's going to be people taking a scorched earth approach and there's going to be people who are more lenient and say well clearly there's something mentally wrong with him. For some people that's going to be the wrong answer, as we saw with Bryan Cranston even though I don't think his full quote ultimately said anything that unreasonable. It might not be a position I personally agree with, but it's one I understand someone having.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I think Franken's statement on it is refreshingly honest given the poo poo we've heard recently.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Alhazred posted:

"I certainly don’t remember the rehearsal for the skit in the same way"

How is is this " refreshingly honest"?

Maybe he doesn't? But he does say that what he remembers and what his intentions were certainly don't matter in how that woman was made to feel. Would I nix that one sentence from his statement? Probably I would yes, but it reads like an actual statement and not something prepared by a lawyer.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


To be fair, their phrasing made it seem like Dunham et al had some more knowledge on the issue otherwise that's a real bold claim to be making.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Terry Crews has posted an email he received from Simmons asking him to drop his claim against the guy who assaulted him as well.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Though they're far from ironclad, Jeremy Piven voluntarily submitted himself to, and passed, a polygraph test in his accusation case.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I mean one the key pieces in the Perrenieu accusation is that she also took a polygraph. But hey, they're worthless right?

I wouldn't even say they're worthless. They're definitely innacurate to a degree, which is why for a lot of cases they're inadmissible. But it also depends on the type of Polygraph and what the point of it is.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I think the Oliver thing got a lot more heated than he even intended it to but once it's out there he couldn't back down from it. I think if Hoffman had given pretty much any other answer they would've moved on from it. Instead, Hoffman says what so many people have said when defending themselves, which is "That's not how I remember it" and "That's not who I am" and of course Oliver is right. If that's what you've done to someone then that is who you are on some level.



This is basically a non-issue. A division of Lionsgate were going to dump the movie after a very limited release and a consortium bought it up to give it a wide release next year instead.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


El Gallinero Gros posted:

The longstanding rumour is that she's a beard, so who knows?

Pretty much, there's an old TIME piece from the early 90s that's about Scientology and where they stand after Hubbard has died. There's a mention of Travolta in there and his place as a figurehead of the group but how he wanted out of it. It mentions that all of a sudden Travolta decided to stay and then suddenly announced his engagement to Preston, despite the fact no one knew they were dating. It wasn't hard to read between the lines of what they were saying.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


K. Waste posted:

An Open Secret was actually a YTotD/Vimeo of the day a while back. It doesn't go into any of the details about Michael Egan's lawsuit against Singer because during the film production Egan actually requested it be withdrawn after Singer and his lawyers planned to counter-sue. Michael Egan is interviewed in the film, however. Moreover, though, the film gets into detail about Singer's periodic professional connections to not just individuals, but organizations that indulged the sexual predation of minors.

https://vimeo.com/142444429

As this Singer stuff breaks keep an ear up for the names Digital Entertainment Network (DEN) and Rawleywood. Michael Egan requested his suit against Singer be withdrawn apparently after the defense found some pretty damning evidence against his allegations. But regardless of the veracity of those allegations, it may have after all just been a mask for what is, if not indisputable, at least very likely from the overwhelming witness testimony that Egan and others present: That under the pretense of producing revolutionary digital TV content with young talent, DEN executives Marc Collins-Rector, Brock Pierce, and Chad Shackley hosted parties in which they not only preyed upon their young and aspiring talent sexually, plying them with drugs and alcohol, but also used them as enticement for older investors.

Yeah, there's been blind items about these guys for years and, as I posted before, there's the Relativity Media story.

Essentially Singer has really good people working for him and as long as he can keep writing cheques then he can keep getting away with what he wants. Based on his response to this latest story they're already mounting their usual PR blitz of a defence.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


DC Murderverse posted:

i'm gonna be honest, i didn't really believe that story, especially after Haim's mom came out and basically accused the guy who sold said story of actually being the person who molested Haim, which makes a whole lot more sense IMO.

I mean, Charlie Sheen is the king of Hollywood poo poo-bags, but it seemed like a nobody selling a story about a dead old friend for some attention/cash.

edit: also a reminder that the top editor for the Inquirer and US Weekly, Dylan Howard, was investigated for sexual harassment at the work place, asking multiple female officemates to watch porn in the office and making other lewd, inappropriate comments at teh workplace. (also he apparently called himself "Dildo" at the office which is something I called my friend Dillon when I was in grade school until he told me exactly what a dildo was.)

I'm pretty sure that in Feldman's book he pretty much names the guy who did it and it wasn't Sheen. I'm sure it was the same guy who was getting Haim drugs as well.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Basebf555 posted:

What came to mind right away for me is that the specific incidents he's admitting to can't be all there is. It's a clever tactic to admit to a few things as a way to cover for the fact that the behavior was much more habitual than you're making it seem, or for things that are much worse than what you're admitting to.

That was allegedly the case with Jay-Z recently. Come forward about some of your affairs so that you can sweep the rest of them under the rug.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.



Terry Richardson seems like the Weinstein of the photography world since everyone seemed to know he was a piece of poo poo.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Isn't that what killed Cee-Lo Green's career even before all this started? Like he claimed even if he didn't drug his victim she still would have slept with him.

More or less, and he just did a recording of 'Baby It's Cold Outside' which is... Well, it's an unfortunate choice.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Peter Jackson recounts a story where for THE LORD OF THE RINGS, both Weinsteins told him to strike Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd from his casting list because they were a 'nightmare to work with.

https://www.avclub.com/peter-jackson-says-the-weinsteins-told-him-to-blacklist-1821335344

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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There's been a handful of women I follow on Twitter who have shared their TJ Miller stories (including one who got a restraining order against Miller's friend and he told her he'd end her career if she went through with it) and basically gently caress him.

I see that him and his wife have released a statement basically saying that girl is crazy, but I suspect you're going to see more stuff coming out about him.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


I guess that DEADPOOL is far enough away that it'll soften the blow and also, Miller is not really a household name. It's not out until next, what, June? I'm sure Fox will just hedge their bets on that and stop anyone from taking questions on Miller.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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sleep with the vicious posted:

Family guy was making fun of spacey and Weinstein years ago. People knew and acting like it's all a surprise is a joke. Its like people that are shocked, shocked to find out athletes are doping - come the gently caress on

The FAMILY GUY joke was around an urban legend and the Weinstein joke was as Seth had said, because his friend told him about her experience.

Until the Anthony Rapp stuff the rumour around Spacey was that he was very closeted but also a known letch. Sure, it's questionable behaviour but it doesn't make anyone complicit in crimes just because they hire him. For all anyone knows he could've been the most delightful and well-behaved actor on that set.

Did 'Hollywood' know that Weinstein raped Rose McGowan? I'd say that chances are they didn't. I know people like to pretend that if one person knows then everyone knows but that's not how poo poo works. Just because you know a rumour about your boss, doesn't mean that your co-worker does.

I think that what a lot of people 'heard' is closer to what Clooney had said, which is that this stuff always seemed intended to demean actresses. So it's never about Weinstein perhaps forcing women to gently caress him, it's that so and so hosed Harvey Weinstein.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


This piece by the way, is a great response for anyone who says "why didn't people come forward sooner".

http://uproxx.com/life/sexual-harassment-waiting/

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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sleep with the vicious posted:

I just really disagree with the premise that 'nobody knew', or it was pretty hidden. The term 'casting couch' has been around forever for a reason, the Bryan Singer stuff was known for a decade+ and he kept getting major mainstream work, and of course stuff like Whoopi Goldberg defining a difference between 'rape' and 'real rape'.

I'm not sure what I make of this analogy but maybe sexual harassment is having its drunk driving moment, in that culturally it has finally turned the page to being unacceptable in a rapid fashion.

The problem is that you're talking about thousands of people in an industry, at varying levels and with varying interests.

You're also hearing things so far removed from the people involved that its hard to know whether to take it seriously. I knew that Spacey was a letch because I knew people who worked at the Old Vic. But that's way different than hearing something eighth or ninth hand.

Of course everyone knows the casting couch exists and hey, there are people who do take to it willingly. As gross as we might find something like that, it's easier to wave away as saying well, they're adults and they understood what they were getting into. Weinstein and his actions were far more insidious than that.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Fart City posted:

Yeah, I mean, I'm not expecting that finished Kevin Spacey Gore Vidal flick to come out... uh... probably ever. And Louis C.K.'s I Love You, Daddy is probably going to end up in the moon vault they locked Rita Repulsa in.

Louis has bought back the rights to that movie so he can either just sit on it and wait (make no mistake, he'll be back by the end of next year) or he can just throw it up on his website like he does with everything else and recoup costs that way.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Surprising that given the release of BRIGHT, more stories about Max Landis haven't come out yet. Comedian/Musician Allie Goertz said today that she gave on the record comments to several publications about him.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Fart City posted:

If the rumors are true about his pops covering poo poo up...

God, just... gently caress John Landis. Murder didn't stick, but maybe accessory to sexual assault will.

I don't know. I mean I believe the poo poo against Landis, but people saying that he has a "powerful" father is like... Well it's not true. There's a reason he's barely worked in the last twenty years.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Catfishenfuego posted:

There's also the interview he gave on public record where he happily and proudly admits to emotionally abusing a woman into developing an eating disorder.

He's said some lovely things, but to be fair everything does seem a little vague beyond "he's said lovely things".

There has been multiple people who have said "Landis sexually assaulted a friend of mine" but understandably they haven't elaborated beyond that yet.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Yeah I mean Landis just comes across as someone who demands to be heard. Even after being told no.

Also, his thoughts that his AMERICAN WEREWOLF remake will have more to 'explain' about those locals in the pub who were clearly aware of the wolf stalking the moors is exactly what's wrong with modern screenwriting. The original movie explains everything that it needs to because that poo poo isn't important to the story.

DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 26, 2017

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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bad day posted:

Nobody quoted in these articles calls him a rapist. Psychopath is used multiple times. It’s said that he “sexually assaults women” but that’s a pretty general and nonspecific statement that could mean lots of things short of rape.

I don’t give a gently caress about this guy but as a casual observer it looks like 99% of the reporting on this topic is summarizing a half dozen twitter posts. That’s really bad reporting.

I actually agree with this, but this is the age we're in now. There's good aspects about having instant news, but there's a downside too and stuff like this is part of it. 'People say a dude is lovely on Twitter' shouldn't really be a story, particularly since the posts about him are so scant on details (Which, again, is fair enough). But if the complaints about him are just going to remain vague then is it even worth discussing?

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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I think Krumholtz comes off way worse in that exchange to be honest. In the year 2017 I don't think you can get to play the 'I didn't know about Woody Allen' card. You can easily just say listen, we don't know enough about the Allen issue to make anything more than a moral judgement. If you're comfortable working with him then fine, go for it, but I don't think you get to do it and then regret it later in the way that Krumholtz did. At least Griffin Newman said listen I was fully aware of it and I did it anyway and I think that was a mistake.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


LORD OF BOOTY posted:

I'm pretty sure the whole Weinstein circle is going down. There's rumblings about Bob, as you mentioned, and Bey Logan (the guy who runs Dragon Dynasty for them) is also a sex pest.

No idea how Bob Weinstein escaped so much of this. Scott Derrickson recently tweeted that Bob Weinstein is legitimately the worst person he's ever met. I guess it's because he came out strong against his brother as soon as he could and was supposedly the person who helped leak the story to begin with.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Shoombo posted:

Yeah I really doubt the dude who makes a bunch of movies where he romances underage girls is a pedo. Plenty of healthy skepticism to be had there.

I mean 'guy likes girls younger than him' is pretty rote poo poo. But there's a big difference between that and legit child abuse. I mean if I was in that position, I personally wouldn't work with him. But I think looking at what's out there, anyone can justifiably make the case to say ah you know what, I don't think he did it.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I'm puzzled honestly.


I dunno man, reading some of the stuff that's come out since then makes me think, yeah, he was definitely a chomo.

I had studied a lot of the Jackson material for something I was writing and the biggest issue is that there is and was so much false or misinterpreted information about the cases and the surrounding circumstances.

As an example, the oft-repeated talk about Jackson letting kids stay in his bedroom is offset by the fact that his 'bedroom' spanned two floors. Or that when kids stayed with Jackson often their parents stayed too.

There were absolutely false accusations against him. The ones before his death (that led to him being in court) were certainly that. Even after reading up on so much of it, it's really hard to make a concrete decision.

Jackson is a singularly weird case because of his mental state. His family largely leeched off him when he outgrew them, treated him like poo poo and then he spent most of his adult life as a semi-recluse who tried desperately to capture a childhood he never got to have. Trying to provide reason to him sometimes is a fools errand.

DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jan 8, 2018

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


STAC Goat posted:

It played kind of similar to the Stewart and Silverman stuff I've seen. There were cringeworthy moments and obviously their first instincts are to defend themselves and their friends, but all three seemed to basically acknowledge that they knew their instincts were wrong and they needed to work through some complicated feelings to grow. Being a comedian just seems like a bad place to be when you're going through some personal conflict over some very public stuff.

Like, Chappelle's whole thing with the transgender joke was kind of microcosm of it, I think. He starts defending himself saying he isn't a bigot, he retells his joke because he wants to show its funny and not offensive, he makes a couple of jokes about himself to try and show he isn't a bigot, and then he ends up finally acknowledging that he feels bad for hurting someone. He seemed to put the entire personal conflict on display.

I'm willing to give folks who say "I'm not the bad guy, i'm not the bad guy... am I the bad guy?" some time to get there. I've experienced the same process and probably will again. I think its not terribly easy to uproot your own sense of self and moral standards like that and the questioning and discomfort is probably the right first step. Its people who reject it and fight who probably aren't going to get there.

I think Stewart on the Stern show gave a pretty good reasoning behind what he had said. I think part of it is that we seem to expect the 'right' answer instantly. It's different asking you or me what we might think of CK, but it's a lot different to ask a friend, particularly if you're doing it on live TV (In that respect I think Stewart was a little flummoxed, but he should've seen it coming).

I think when it comes to transgenderism it can just be complicated for some people. Chappelle's jokes to me seemed to be someone accepting of a person's choice, but not understanding it and that's where the comedy comes from. In terms of our modern day conversation about these issues, I think these are the people who are being left behind the most. I have friends, wonderful people without a bad or bigoted bone in their body, but being transgender is a mystery to them. And I think if you go online right now and try and talk about it you can't afford to be confused by it.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.


Tangentially related, but Harper's are currently writing a piece that's about the expose the author of the 'lovely Media Men' list, which is a fairly terrible thing to do. It was never meant to be shared or made public but someone did, and I think it's irresponsible to doxx someone like that.

DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Is that how it happened? One of the victims just approached the dude during his daughter’s soccer game? Then was surprised he gave a stupid answer about something he wasn’t directly involved? Well that sucks for the guy. Then again I guess if you reach the level of exec at a big company you should know better than to give out such a stupid answer in the first place.

To be honest, it kind of sounds like a Huff Po job given that they had called him that day already and the woman in question called them back before the game was over.

I still think it was incredibly stupid. If a stranger approaches you at random and you're a Netflix executive, the best thing to say is "I can't comment".

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DrVenkman
Dec 27, 2005

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Title might be a little clickbaity, but there's a decent dissection from Forbes about the Williams/Wahlberg situation. Essentially despite her career this was a good thing for Williams who likely wanted a rare starring role to be released, whereas for Marky Mark it was just another gig.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...g/#377ea7357d8b

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