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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Ciaphas posted:

sorry to invade the thread with a stupid question but i can easily see google leading me to the wrong answers

i know what the "ia" in lgbtqia+ stand for, but beyond the strict english definition what do those actually mean?

it stands for the black goat of the woods with a thousand young

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Peeny Cheez posted:

Those contexts being:

1) Being queer
2) Not being queer, but also not being a butthole
3) Being Shirley Manson

Inappropriate contexts:

1) Being a butthole
2) Making unfounded insinuations about things that are being done to the soil

i would like to add to the first one

4) if you are the aurora borealis and you're referring to various sights you have seen

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

Kazinsal posted:

wait when did we drop two Qs into one? also does P stand for pan because if so P crew represent

also hello thread I am a cis male who's been part of various aspects of the queer-alphabet-soup community (mostly through having a bunch of trans friends) for most of his life. I just wanted to drop in to say you are all cool and good people.

yo, what's the difference between bi and pan because it seems lime pan is "bi but with non-binary/agender/trans people too" but i've never met a bi person that isn't down with those groups

bi the way, i'm bi

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Improbable Lobster posted:

yo, what's the difference between bi and pan because it seems lime pan is "bi but with non-binary/agender/trans people too" but i've never met a bi person that isn't down with those groups

bi the way, i'm bi

pan is just a way to be less exclusionary with your labeling since bi implies 2, and for trans and genderqueer people it's not safe to assume a bi/gay person is going to react well to you. plenty of gay trans men and women have been shot down (or severely harmed even) by people of the same gender and orientation. if you call yourself pansexual, you're basically being unambiguous that you don't discriminate. i consider myself pansexual, although functionally i'm gay since i'm monogamous and for me sexual orientation isn't super critical to my identity.

Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET
bi's what you say around str8s

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

cis autodrag posted:

pan is just a way to be less exclusionary with your labeling since bi implies 2, and for trans and genderqueer people it's not safe to assume a bi/gay person is going to react well to you. plenty of gay trans men and women have been shot down (or severely harmed even) by people of the same gender and orientation. if you call yourself pansexual, you're basically being unambiguous that you don't discriminate. i consider myself pansexual, although functionally i'm gay since i'm monogamous and for me sexual orientation isn't super critical to my identity.

ah neat

Triglav posted:

bi's what you say around str8s

very true

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i know at least some groups *cough*furries*cough* use it as "will gently caress anything with a hole" with all the creepy implications of that so while i used to use it to describe myself i don't really do that anymore because i've had some, uh, awkward conversations as a result

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench

maybe you should stop defining your identity by the words furries use

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Triglav posted:

bi's what you say around str8s
Or around buttholes that barely recognize bisexuality anyway. I'm sure you can think of at least one or two.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

he is also bi

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Raere posted:

You don't have a dumb idiot brain because you're questioning yourself. Every person questions their identity as some point, most people just don't want to say so out loud.

I feel like that nearly everyone who spends any meaningful amount of time time hanging with or reading the stories and experiences of non cishet individuals/groups is going to experience some moments where they need to sit back and process why exactly they find something so relatable.

personally it has recently lead me down some very... enlightening rabbitholes of self discovery.





Anyway I do have a tech-related topic I've been wondering about. Access to trans-friendly medical providers is absolutely a concern for trans folks right? Like not just the gatekeeping where some providers demand you do all sorts of things to "prove" you should be given access to hormonal therapy, I mean my understanding is that it is very difficult to find a provider that will consistently use your real name and correct pronouns instead of constantly deadnaming you. If you are in a non-metro area you likely are already short on providers to chose from so the local X-specialist being trans-hostile is a nearly insurmountable problem for those that don't happen to be able to make the trek to a major metro with better choices. I was thinking that telemedicine has the potential to help, at least in some specialties. It could even make for better care by connecting patients with people who have experience with how common HRT combos would interact with their treatment plans.

I mean general telemedicine has been a "within the next decade!" thing for what... fifty years now, but maybe this is a sustainable niche?


finally - database queery would be a pretty great yospos username imo.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka

Shifty Pony posted:

finally - database queery would be a pretty great yospos username imo.

would make a great thread title to imo

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

fart simpson posted:

he is also bi

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
i;ve been talking on and off to a couple dudes on tinder recently

pros
-tinder guys are much less thirsty than grindr guys
-tinder guys seem more interested in dating than hookups
-tinder notifications are much much less embarrassing than grindr
-there are also women and various shades of non-binary folk on tinder that don't use grinder

cons
-tinder guys are much less thirsty than grindr guys
-tinder guys seem more interested in dating than hookups

ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Improbable Lobster posted:

i;ve been talking on and off to a couple dudes on tinder recently

pros
-tinder guys are much less thirsty than grindr guys
-tinder guys seem more interested in dating than hookups
-tinder notifications are much much less embarrassing than grindr
-there are also women and various shades of non-binary folk on tinder that don't use grinder

cons
-tinder guys are much less thirsty than grindr guys
-tinder guys seem more interested in dating than hookups

the apps are a technology have totally changed everything about how gay folk interact and it is something that we're probably not going to fully appreciate the impact of for a long time, because we're living in it. there are a lot of hookup apps that cater to different interests.

as a gay dude if I am looking for manly company on a site that is mixed gender I am mostly going to pull various flavors of bisexual guys who fit into one of three categories:

1) please help with my weirdo cuck thing with my wife | please help me with this weirdo fetish thing that is perfectly seamless and has no entry point for you or your interests.
2) please help me with my journey of discovery of maybe touching a cock for the first time at the age of 37.
3) closeted married (to a lady) gay dudes.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

ultravoices posted:

the apps are a technology have totally changed everything about how gay folk interact and it is something that we're probably not going to fully appreciate the impact of for a long time, because we're living in it. there are a lot of hookup apps that cater to different interests.

as a gay dude if I am looking for manly company on a site that is mixed gender I am mostly going to pull various flavors of bisexual guys who fit into one of three categories:

1) please help with my weirdo cuck thing with my wife | please help me with this weirdo fetish thing that is perfectly seamless and has no entry point for you or your interests.
2) please help me with my journey of discovery of maybe touching a cock for the first time at the age of 37.
3) closeted married (to a lady) gay dudes.

yeah i think i'm lucky in that i'm young and don't use full on dating sites because holy moly the number of older bi/gay men that are weirdos
is staggering

i once had a 50 y/o guy ask me if i had roommates that would jerk off onto a slice of bread for him to eat, with no prompting or prior conversation

ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Improbable Lobster posted:

holy moly the number of men that are weirdos is staggering

fixed it

there are so many men out there who are want homosexual sex but are not particularly interested in homosociality

unfortunately there isn't anything that can be done about it other than block and move on.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


women get it really bad too. I had a bi friend who's dating stories were a never ending parade of married couples looking for a disposable third.

putting a giant all caps "I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THREESOMES" had no effect. even if she set her profile to indicate she was only interested in women she would get them because they would use the wife's account to make contact, often only revealing their motives after a few days of messaging. she ended up just dropping off of online dating entirely last I talked to her (years ago).

technology really enables people to ignore the fact that there is another person at the other end of the conversation.

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Shifty Pony posted:

technology really enables people to ignore the fact that there is another person at the other end of the conversation.

yay, enabling people to treat people like things Efficiently and At Scale

Syllables
Jul 2, 2011

XOF XOF XOF

:fag:
cyberdicks in my butt

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






fart simpson posted:

he is also bi

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

i'd like to think that there are other industries with far more trans people than tech, they just do too good a job of passing, so we have no idea about it

Venuz Patrol
Mar 27, 2011

Improbable Lobster posted:

yo, what's the difference between bi and pan because it seems lime pan is "bi but with non-binary/agender/trans people too" but i've never met a bi person that isn't down with those groups

bi the way, i'm bi

pan is a term to make clearer what bi already was; i don't mind however people decide to identify themselves, but it's unfair to make assumptions about what people who self describe as bi think

obviously if you look hard enough you can probably find some dude on tumblr who specifically identifies as bi to exclude nb identities, but for the vast majority there's nothing being implied by it

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

a while ago i stumbled across a term that's specifically applied as a label to categorize people who entirely reject the concept of applying labels to categorize their identity which i thought was pretty lol, could never remember what it was though...

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
what do you call someone who is specifically into trans gender ppl to the exclusion of cisgender?

Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET
a touchy subject

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Triglav posted:

a touchy subject
loooool

ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Silver Alicorn posted:

what do you call someone who is specifically into trans gender ppl to the exclusion of cisgender?

a dickgirl porn haver

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Shifty Pony posted:

women get it really bad too. I had a bi friend who's dating stories were a never ending parade of married couples looking for a disposable third.

putting a giant all caps "I HAVE NO INTEREST IN THREESOMES" had no effect. even if she set her profile to indicate she was only interested in women she would get them because they would use the wife's account to make contact, often only revealing their motives after a few days of messaging. she ended up just dropping off of online dating entirely last I talked to her (years ago).

technology really enables people to ignore the fact that there is another person at the other end of the conversation.

Yeah, the old school “swingers” community is really misogynistic, biphobic, and just terrible for women.

atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.

cis autodrag posted:

pan is just a way to be less exclusionary with your labeling since bi implies 2, and for trans and genderqueer people it's not safe to assume a bi/gay person is going to react well to you. plenty of gay trans men and women have been shot down (or severely harmed even) by people of the same gender and orientation. if you call yourself pansexual, you're basically being unambiguous that you don't discriminate. i consider myself pansexual, although functionally i'm gay since i'm monogamous and for me sexual orientation isn't super critical to my identity.

im pan op

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Silver Alicorn posted:

what do you call someone who is specifically into trans gender ppl to the exclusion of cisgender?

A chaser, and they are the lowest of life forms. Chasers don't date you, they date your dick.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Shifty Pony posted:

I feel like that nearly everyone who spends any meaningful amount of time time hanging with or reading the stories and experiences of non cishet individuals/groups is going to experience some moments where they need to sit back and process why exactly they find something so relatable.

personally it has recently lead me down some very... enlightening rabbitholes of self discovery.





Anyway I do have a tech-related topic I've been wondering about. Access to trans-friendly medical providers is absolutely a concern for trans folks right? Like not just the gatekeeping where some providers demand you do all sorts of things to "prove" you should be given access to hormonal therapy, I mean my understanding is that it is very difficult to find a provider that will consistently use your real name and correct pronouns instead of constantly deadnaming you. If you are in a non-metro area you likely are already short on providers to chose from so the local X-specialist being trans-hostile is a nearly insurmountable problem for those that don't happen to be able to make the trek to a major metro with better choices. I was thinking that telemedicine has the potential to help, at least in some specialties. It could even make for better care by connecting patients with people who have experience with how common HRT combos would interact with their treatment plans.

I mean general telemedicine has been a "within the next decade!" thing for what... fifty years now, but maybe this is a sustainable niche?


finally - database queery would be a pretty great yospos username imo.

You're mostly on point, except that access to care is hard even in major metros. My current provider put Transgender in my problem list (whoa) and it's visible to everybody, even front desk staff who have no business knowing. Even good clinics don't know what they're doing half the time.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

i'd like to think that there are other industries with far more trans people than tech, they just do too good a job of passing, so we have no idea about it

I want you to think very hard about what is wrong with this post.

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar
i imagine the reason we see a lot more queer folks in the tech space is just because it's much easier for queer folks to meet up on the internet. it's much harder for thousands of people to all show up at some building in some city than it is for us to just gather online, and of course our networks spread out much further than the ones we have in-person.

there's probably also an aspect that people who are involved with or using tech are also more aware of queerness in general. i didn't even know what transgender stuff was (or gay/les/bi/etc.) until some time on the internet, just because the place i grew up in and the family i grew up around made sure that sort of thing was otherwise totally quashed

unscientific anecdotal guesses of course


e: also the anonymous apsect of it. i can come out as trans and talk about my gender poo poo here without having to worry about my idiot conservative boss freaking out like he did when someone had the audacity to color their hair


e 2: it is very, very strange how easily "come out as trans" managed to get written there after literally months and probably years of very carefully evading ever directly mentioning it

Zamujasa fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Dec 7, 2017

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

ultravoices posted:

a dickgirl porn haver

the insane guy who keeps sending my wife mail bombs

(they're not actually mail bombs they're just incredibly suspicious ratty packages that contain bizarre items like a "TRUMP TRAIN" mug, though i open everything outdoors with gloves on because eventually the guy's gonna lace the thing with anthrax i just know it)

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

ate all the Oreos posted:

the insane guy who keeps sending my wife mail bombs

(they're not actually mail bombs they're just incredibly suspicious ratty packages that contain bizarre items like a "TRUMP TRAIN" mug, though i open everything outdoors with gloves on because eventually the guy's gonna lace the thing with anthrax i just know it)

Jesus christ

ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

ate all the Oreos posted:

the insane guy who keeps sending my wife mail bombs

(they're not actually mail bombs they're just incredibly suspicious ratty packages that contain bizarre items like a "TRUMP TRAIN" mug, though i open everything outdoors with gloves on because eventually the guy's gonna lace the thing with anthrax i just know it)

i can't speak to transpeople chasers, but I so have some experience with other brands.

a small fraction of them are respectful nice people who you just happen to have the body that really turns their crank. these are rare and precious and being treated like a human being and also extremely desirable is awesome.

others are creepy obsessives who can sometimes put up a screen of normality but then message you at 3am about the things they fetishize. gross but probably harmless.

still others are self loathing and resentful that you turn them on. these ones are creepy and dangerous.

Shaman Linavi
Apr 3, 2012

hi can anyone link me to some yospos approved binders tia

Raere
Dec 13, 2007

Just wanted to say that hookup apps aren't all bad. I met my boyfriend of one year so far on Scruff. If you're not having luck on Okcupid or w/e at least check em out! Whole lot of cool people out there that don't have the time to fill out a whole dating profile.

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ultravoices
May 10, 2004

You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Raere posted:

Just wanted to say that hookup apps aren't all bad. I met my boyfriend of one year so far on Scruff. If you're not having luck on Okcupid or w/e at least check em out! Whole lot of cool people out there that don't have the time to fill out a whole dating profile.

one husbando came from something awful dot com.

the other one came from scruff.

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