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Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35837447


A couple years ago the Polish Deputy PM literally begged their expats to come back and take a 1/3 paycut for the sake of the nation lmao.

yeah, this looks legit

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Sep 7, 2014

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Plaster Town Cop

Squalid posted:

Tbf the labor situation for American farmers has been getting steadily worse for years. It’s not just Trump, he’s just continuing existing trends.

The result is American produce production is increasingly being outsourced to Mexico, while what’s remained in the US is more and more mechanized.

solution: vote the country into the 18th century

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Lawman 0 posted:

The bennie at the factory jobs are p sweet

Lukashenko is a saint and a comrade

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35837447


A couple years ago the Polish Deputy PM literally begged their expats to come back and take a 1/3 paycut for the sake of the nation lmao.

he is a nazi collaborator piece of poo poo

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Top City Homo posted:

he is a nazi collaborator piece of poo poo

you'll be hearing from our low-priced non-Jew Polish lawyers about this holoslander motherfucker

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Lawman 0 posted:

The bennie at the factory jobs are p sweet

I looked this up and evidently Belarus has some of the longest maternal leave laws in the world lol

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Frog Act posted:

I looked this up and evidently Belarus has some of the longest maternal leave laws in the world lol

3 years

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

In 20 years the chuds and conservatives will never put 2 and 2 together that their lovely policies on childcare and maternity leave are why they can't find anyone to change their adult diapers.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

The Nastier Nate posted:

In 20 years the chuds and conservatives will never put 2 and 2 together that their lovely policies on childcare and maternity leave are why they can't find anyone to change their adult diapers.

Aren't birth rates in the noted socialist paradise that is Scandinavia just as low?

General Dog has issued a correction as of 22:08 on May 29, 2018

ass cobra
May 28, 2004

by Azathoth

General Dog posted:

Aren't birth rates in the noted socialist paradise that is Scandinavia even lower?

theyre pretty much exactly the same as in the us, not fantastic but not japan-level either

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

General Dog posted:

Aren't birth rates in the noted socialist paradise that is Scandinavia just as low?

All the countries at the bottom of the fertility charts are either first world countries with generous social welfare systems that relieve population pressures by allowing everyone to be more self-sufficient; the colonial subjects of first world countries that are both poor and have no foreseeable future like Puerto Rico; and developing countries in the gray zone of having a highly educated and highly exploited population with no welfare assistance to plan a family, like Poland.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

rear end cobra posted:

theyre pretty much exactly the same as in the us, not fantastic but not japan-level either

Japan has a double whammy since the obsession with traditional roles makes having kids really unattractive for professional women and Japan isn't immigrant friendly.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
since the "markets" are probably going to tank in the next 2 years i highly recommend anyone who wants a new job to join the "lard" market

this is a make work middle management position where a corporation will hire basically anyone who has experience in any field in anticipation for layoffs

that way when the economy tanks you are the first to get axed and they look good for cutting the fat while keeping the important people protected

but in the meantime you are rolling in the cash and building a resume

Slugnoid
Jun 23, 2006

Nap Ghost
I got taken to the royal melbourne hospital emergency room last night after a really bad nose bleed left me pouring blood all over my apartment

They kept me in there for four hours and hooked me to an IV, ran blood tests, and gave me this adrenaline/anaesthetic thing.

After I got the all clear and was let out i asked at the counter whether I needed to pay anything and the nurse just laughed and went "haha no, this isn't America" and sent me home.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Well, consider the fact that we're free to pay.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

i don't know how more Americans haven't turned to dealing drugs and/or robbing drug dealers to survive

ferroque
Oct 27, 2007

Wheeee posted:

i don't know how more Americans haven't turned to dealing drugs and/or robbing drug dealers to survive

Legalizing weed seems counter intuitive to this

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Wheeee posted:

i don't know how more Americans haven't turned to dealing drugs and/or robbing drug dealers to survive

Because most Americans pride themselves in being law-abiding, and drugs are on the same level as abortion on the scale of bad things.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Slugnoid posted:

I got taken to the royal melbourne hospital emergency room last night after a really bad nose bleed left me pouring blood all over my apartment

They kept me in there for four hours and hooked me to an IV, ran blood tests, and gave me this adrenaline/anaesthetic thing.

After I got the all clear and was let out i asked at the counter whether I needed to pay anything and the nurse just laughed and went "haha no, this isn't America" and sent me home.

We had to take my daughter to the ER a couple weeks ago, she turned out to be fine but we had to pay $140 and we have "good" insurance.

Huragok
Sep 14, 2011

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-lifespan/china-overtakes-us-for-healthy-lifespan-who-data-idUSKCN1IV15L posted:

GENEVA (Reuters) - China has overtaken the United States in healthy life expectancy at birth for the first time, according to World Health Organization data.

Chinese newborns can look forward to 68.7 years of healthy life ahead of them, compared with 68.5 years for American babies, the data - which relates to 2016 - showed.

American newborns can still expect to live longer overall - 78.5 years compared to China’s 76.4 - but the last 10 years of American lives are not expected to be healthy.

“The lost years of good health that are a factor in calculating healthy life expectancy at birth are lower for China, Japan, Korea and some other high income Asian countries than for high income ‘Western’ countries,” said WHO spokeswoman Alison Clements-Hunt.

The United States was one of only five countries, along with Somalia, Afghanistan, Georgia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where healthy life expectancy at birth fell in 2016, according to a Reuters analysis of the WHO data, which was published without year-on-year comparisons in mid-May.

The best outlook was for Singaporean babies, who can count on 76.2 years of health on average, followed by those in Japan, Spain and Switzerland. The United States came 40th in the global rankings, while China was 37th.

In terms of overall life expectancy China is also catching up with the United States, which Reuters calculations suggest it is on course to overtake around 2027.

“Chinese life expectancy has increased substantially and is now higher than for some high-income countries,” said Clements-Hunt.

Meanwhile U.S. life expectancy is falling, having peaked at 79 years in 2014, the first such reversal for many years, Clements-Hunt said.

That reflected increasing rates of drug overdose deaths, mainly from opioids, suicides, and some other major causes among younger middle-aged Americans, particularly in less affluent areas, she said.

The world’s longest life expectancy is in Japan, at 84.2 years, meaning that babies born there in 2016 were the first to be able to look forward to seeing the next century.

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

Low life expectancy is a feature because there's less chance that our children will live in the post apocalyptic hellworld that is to follow.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

Slugnoid posted:

I got taken to the royal melbourne hospital emergency room last night after a really bad nose bleed left me pouring blood all over my apartment

They kept me in there for four hours and hooked me to an IV, ran blood tests, and gave me this adrenaline/anaesthetic thing.

After I got the all clear and was let out i asked at the counter whether I needed to pay anything and the nurse just laughed and went "haha no, this isn't America" and sent me home.

I had to arrange for medical care (for someone else) while travelling through central Europe without travellers insurance and drat was it an eye opening experience. Not having an automatic right to healthcare is so ludicrously dehumanizing, especially when you're scared for someone you care about and can barely communicate with anyone.

Definitely one of those "thank god I'm not American" moments that seem to be happening more and more frequently these days.

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


LegoPirateNinja posted:

tbf that is from lead paint peeling off the walls of the all the old townhouses, not the municipal water supply.

and philly has lead in the soil and lots of lead paint on old buildings. at least if you trust the water departments water analysis documents

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
U.S. coal lobby fights black-lung tax as disease rates surge


Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

hmmmm

the coal industry anti-regulation lobbyist says one thing, though he acknowledges that he has no proof or research showing thing is actually true

on the other hand, actual doctors say he's wrong, and the head of the relevant division of a government health research agency was willing to go on record and openly say he was full of poo poo

welp, better print both of them! WE REPORT, YOU DECIDE

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Main Paineframe posted:

hmmmm

the coal industry anti-regulation lobbyist says one thing, though he acknowledges that he has no proof or research showing thing is actually true

on the other hand, actual doctors say he's wrong, and the head of the relevant division of a government health research agency was willing to go on record and openly say he was full of poo poo

welp, better print both of them! WE REPORT, YOU DECIDE

If the story gave you enough information to glean that he was full of poo poo, then what's the problem?

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

General Dog posted:

If the story gave you enough information to glean that he was full of poo poo, then what's the problem?

people are terrible at "gleaning", better to spell things out

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

General Dog posted:

If the story gave you enough information to glean that he was full of poo poo, then what's the problem?

the problem is that the journalist is knowingly printing false information and literal propaganda, because they don't want to let objective fact get in the way of printing every side of the argument that has sufficient funding behind them

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
In America, if you bring your sick 104°-fever-having toddler to the ER you will later on get a bill for it. That bill will be for several thousand dollars.

Big Man With A Gun
Jul 22, 2007

Big Gun With A Man

Main Paineframe posted:

the problem is that the journalist is knowingly printing false information and literal propaganda, because they don't want to let objective fact get in the way of printing every side of the argument that has sufficient funding behind them

which means that a journalist enabling malicious corporate behavior isn't being an rear end in a top hat, but must do so in order to keep their job, because the newspaper must support any and all advertisers. the survival of the journalist, as such, depends on helping corporations.

it is not the individual that is broken, it is the system that is broken. corporate media is systemically broken and should be banned.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Grand Theft Autobot posted:

In America, if you bring your sick 104°-fever-having toddler to the ER you will later on get a bill for it. That bill will be for several thousand dollars.

i dunno, i don't beleive american healthcare is actually real. pretty sure its all a simpsons joke

e like my gf watched a video where a girl had dyed her hair badly and got minor chemical burns on her head, her parents told her to go to the doctor and they gave her some savlon cream or whatever.

she later got billed for $600 despite already paying insurance, thats not real

fabergay egg
Mar 1, 2012

it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'


that's cheap

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

nopantsjack posted:

i dunno, i don't beleive american healthcare is actually real. pretty sure its all a simpsons joke

e like my gf watched a video where a girl had dyed her hair badly and got minor chemical burns on her head, her parents told her to go to the doctor and they gave her some savlon cream or whatever.

she later got billed for $600 despite already paying insurance, thats not real

Let me tell you about Balance Billing. When you go to a doctor in the US, the doctor's office and your insurance company negotiate over the price. Obviously the insurance company wants this price to be as low as possible, and the doctor wants it as high as possible. But the insurance company has more power in the situation, so likely the price will end up lower than your doctor wanted. But don't worry! Thanks to balance billing, the doctor's office can bill you directly for whatever they feel they were cheated out of! Which means when you pay your insurance premiums, you're paying a company to convince the doctor to bill you for as much as possible!

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
E nm

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Goon Danton posted:

Let me tell you about Balance Billing. When you go to a doctor in the US, the doctor's office and your insurance company negotiate over the price. Obviously the insurance company wants this price to be as low as possible, and the doctor wants it as high as possible. But the insurance company has more power in the situation, so likely the price will end up lower than your doctor wanted. But don't worry! Thanks to balance billing, the doctor's office can bill you directly for whatever they feel they were cheated out of! Which means when you pay your insurance premiums, you're paying a company to convince the doctor to bill you for as much as possible!

aaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa what

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Grondoth posted:

aaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa what

it mostly happens with out-of-network doctors

in-network doctors have negotiated contracts with the insurance company and are usually contractually obliged to give discounts to the insurance company's customers and charge no more than what the insurance company is willing to pay

out-of-network doctors, on the other hand, don't have a contract with the insurance company. they're free to take whatever the insurance company is willing to pay and then hit the patient for more. the insurance company knows about that but doesn't care, they're only willing to pay the discounted rate they decided on. if the doctor isn't willing to settle for that amount, they'll rationalize it as the patient's fault for not making sure to pick a doctor that gives the insurance company discounted rates

of course, in an emergency, you often don't have the luxury of being able to make sure the doctor you get is an in-network doctor

the US healthcare system is hosed because it's an impossible mess of proxies and middlemen all trying to gently caress each other out of the most money

Reicere
Nov 5, 2009

Not sooo looouuud!!!

Main Paineframe posted:

the US healthcare system is hosed because it's an impossible mess of proxies and middlemen all trying to gently caress each other out of the most money

Along that line its important to point out that even at an in-network facility you might get handed off to an out-of-network dr.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
maybe you folks should try No Balance Billing instead

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Main Paineframe posted:

it mostly happens with out-of-network doctors

in-network doctors have negotiated contracts with the insurance company and are usually contractually obliged to give discounts to the insurance company's customers and charge no more than what the insurance company is willing to pay

out-of-network doctors, on the other hand, don't have a contract with the insurance company. they're free to take whatever the insurance company is willing to pay and then hit the patient for more. the insurance company knows about that but doesn't care, they're only willing to pay the discounted rate they decided on. if the doctor isn't willing to settle for that amount, they'll rationalize it as the patient's fault for not making sure to pick a doctor that gives the insurance company discounted rates

of course, in an emergency, you often don't have the luxury of being able to make sure the doctor you get is an in-network doctor

the US healthcare system is hosed because it's an impossible mess of proxies and middlemen all trying to gently caress each other out of the most money

You could basically attempt design a wasteful and inefficient system. It would still be better than out current For Profit healthcare system.

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
I remember seeing someone saying they were staying at an in network hospital and an out network doctor wandered into their room, checked the charts and did nothing else because they weren't the posters doctor and then billed the poster lol

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