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RareAcumen posted:I'm not familiar with Black Panther- even less so than most comic book characters like, I had no loving idea who Peter Quill was before GotG- so how did Wakanda get so futuristic? I get that they had lots of Vibrainium but how'd they make the leap from spears to hoverships exactly? Did the fruit back then make people much smarter or was it aliens interacting as well? If the answer is just that Vibrainium is magic and you really start to notice when you've got more than enough of the stuff to smooth over the Grand Canyon and build a mountain on top of it that'd be fine with me.
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McCloud posted:Well sure, I get that, but the thing is T'challa has the power to do more than just teaching the victim how to stand up for hirself. And even if we accept that that this is the best solution at hand, he can still confront the abuser and call him out for being a piece of poo poo, you know? That is to say, I want the movie to more strongly condemn the systemic racism, instead of merely paying lip service to that effect.
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Superman allows oppression to continue even though he could do a lot to end it
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sean10mm posted:Not being colonized by Europeans. Kurzon posted:Wakanda is just another one of those fabulous hidden cities that are common in adventure fiction. Opar, Atlantis, El Dorado, Gorilla City, Attilan, Titanos, etc. They never made sense. Mm, since this is the thread about a comic book movie, I was really hoping someone was familiar with the actual comic books and could explain that in detail.
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Farg posted:Superman allows oppression to continue even though he could do a lot to end it
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what i'm trying to say is all lives matter.
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temple posted:why is wakanda responsible for ending oppression? Why is anyone responsible for ending oppression? Why should the rich care about the poor? Why should the healthy care about the sick?
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RareAcumen posted:Mm, since this is the thread about a comic book movie, I was really hoping someone was familiar with the actual comic books and could explain that in detail. It's basically what's in the movie - vibranium is magic, and they hid from everybody so their development wasn't interrupted. The opening narration to the movie is basically exactly like the comic book origin of Wakanda.
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RareAcumen posted:I'm not familiar with Black Panther- even less so than most comic book characters like, I had no loving idea who Peter Quill was before GotG- so how did Wakanda get so futuristic? I get that they had lots of Vibrainium but how'd they make the leap from spears to hoverships exactly? Did the fruit back then make people much smarter or was it aliens interacting as well? If the answer is just that Vibrainium is magic and you really start to notice when you've got more than enough of the stuff to smooth over the Grand Canyon and build a mountain on top of it that'd be fine with me. They went from spears to hoverships in like 100,000 years. it wasn't just a thing that showed up now and changed people from poor africans to future tech, it's a what if on what a rich African country that had always been rich would look like, particularly one that had so many resources it had resources that don't even exist in the real world. Northern africa has had it's chance and made some of the most advanced civilizations in history but sub Saharan africa has basically been war and natural disaster and colonialism forever so it's just like "well what if secretly part of it wasn't, what would they be?" with them also having magic rocks to make it even more fantastical.
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temple posted:why is wakanda responsible for ending oppression? The movie doesn't have to have Wakanda solve racism, but I expect it to do a bit more than to make a passing remark about the cause of it.
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Feb 28, 2018 20:18
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If that much vibranium fell out of the sky, wouldn't the meteor have been large enough to cause an extinction level event
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Feb 28, 2018 20:23
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I'm glad Wakanda promotes bootstrapping.
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Feb 28, 2018 20:24
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McCloud posted:The movie doesn't have to have Wakanda solve racism, but I expect it to do a bit more than to make a passing remark about the cause of it. condemning racism has no material benefit. its purely idpol to make the elite feel good. building a center benefits someone's life at least and puts t'challa's skin in the game.
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Steve Yun posted:If that much vibranium fell out of the sky, wouldn't the meteor have been large enough to cause an extinction level event maybe thats what killed the dinosaurs
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Steve Yun posted:If that much vibranium fell out of the sky, wouldn't the meteor have been large enough to cause an extinction level event temple fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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temple posted:why is wakanda responsible for ending oppression? lol
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Farg posted:Superman allows oppression to continue even though he could do a lot to end it BvS and MoS were, in no particular order, critical against the military, Silicon Valley billionaires, George Bush's foreign policy, police brutality against lower class, capitalism, the super hero fantasy itself and talking head media. temple posted:condemning racism has no material benefit. its purely idpol to make the elite feel good. building a center benefits someone's life at least and puts t'challa's skin in the game. We'll agree to disagree on that then.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They went from spears to hoverships in like 100,000 years. it wasn't just a thing that showed up now and changed people from poor africans to future tech, it's a what if on what a rich African country that had always been rich would look like, particularly one that had so many resources it had resources that don't even exist in the real world. Northern africa has had it's chance and made some of the most advanced civilizations in history but sub Saharan africa has basically been war and natural disaster and colonialism forever so it's just like "well what if secretly part of it wasn't, what would they be?" with them also having magic rocks to make it even more fantastical. Yes, I know it took millennia to make those advancements but I'm just not clear on how they made them regardless, because it's bizarre and I'm not at all familiar with the character or his backstory beyond that small trivia about 'add more white people' and then next issue BP is beating up the KKK. It's like trying to draw the line from giving Romans circuit boards and they'll have teleportation by 1200.
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RareAcumen posted:Yes, I know it took millennia to make those advancements but I'm just not clear on how they made them regardless, because it's bizarre and I'm not at all familiar with the character or his backstory beyond that small trivia about 'add more white people' and then next issue BP is beating up the KKK. It's like trying to draw the line from giving Romans circuit boards and they'll have teleportation by 1200. no its not. but I get it africans are dumb
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RareAcumen posted:Yes, I know it took millennia to make those advancements but I'm just not clear on how they made them regardless, because it's bizarre and I'm not at all familiar with the character or his backstory beyond that small trivia about 'add more white people' and then next issue BP is beating up the KKK. It's like trying to draw the line from giving Romans circuit boards and they'll have teleportation by 1200. how did tony stark make a flying suit
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Man how do you get from horses in 1880 to space flight in 1961 Just seems unrealistic imo How'd does someone from abacuses to computers capable of solving complex Algorithms in seconds in less than 100 years. Like mainframe computers took literal seconds to solve addition and multiplication problems. In 1944. And took up an entire room Less than 100 years later I am loving taking a poo poo replying to a intentionally obtuse poster on a device infinitely more powerful than that that while streaming the Album inspired by black panther. Dexo fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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temple posted:wouldn't spider man irradiate everyone around him? Why would being bit by a genetically-engineered spider cause Spider-Man to irradiate people? Think before you post.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Why would being bit by a genetically-engineered spider cause Spider-Man to irradiate people? Think before you post. radioactive spider, stop jesting
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Listen bud, he's got radioactive blood.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:
I just realized another angle to this- Shuri gave Ross the job that involved no-poo poo killing Wakandans without looking them in the eye, as opposed to honorbound melee combat where Wakandans are known for pulling punches (I doubt more than 20 people die in the ground battle). Baron Porkface fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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Crank Lucas is a fool. https://youtu.be/IyOpFVtV2gM
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Baron Porkface posted:I just realized another angle to this- Shuri gave Ross the job that involved no-poo poo killing Wakandans without looking them in the eye, as opposed to honorbound melee combat where Wakandans are known for pulling punches (I doubt more than 20 people die in the ground battle). She gets the American to wage war like an American while the Wakandans fight in their own way.
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Maybe coogler is saying with the ending of BP that the only way black men in America irl can get ahead is by latching on to wealthy benefactors with an agenda. Its very cynical. I guess thats what coogler did by taking disney's money.
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gohmak posted:Crank Lucas is a fool. Well both Black Panthers were on drugs.
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got any sevens posted:Maybe coogler is saying with the ending of BP that the only way black men in America irl can get ahead is by latching on to wealthy benefactors with an agenda. Its very cynical. I guess thats what coogler did by taking disney's money. Is he wrong?
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Steve Yun posted:If that much vibranium fell out of the sky, wouldn't the meteor have been large enough to cause an extinction level event Vibranium absorbs impacts so I think it would just plop.
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For me, the most remarkable thing about this film is not that they have an all-black cast but that they all speak with African accents. I think that if this movie had been made in the 1990s, they would have reworked T'Challa's backstory to make him an American guy from LA or New York who discovers he's a long-lost Wakandan prince. That way, the hero of the movie would speak in an African-American accent and spout ghetto slang to make him more "relatable". And his costume would be rubber.
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Darth Brooks posted:Vibranium absorbs impacts so I think it would just plop.
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Darth Brooks posted:Vibranium absorbs impacts so I think it would just plop. How do you interact with something that you can't impart force on? How does The Flash pick up his suit if it's frictionless? Why is Kryptionian clothing indestructible? How do they sell people a second shirt? These are the important questions of our generation.
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Unmature posted:Ross being CIA is ok until he explains how American soldiers infiltrate and destroy other nations and everyone is just cool with that and moves on Bruh that's just common loving knowledge
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Inescapable Duck posted:Is he wrong? No, which is why the movie is depressingly cynical. The entrenched interests of global capitalism will quash any rebellion.
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You guys should pick apart the next Spongebob movie for political undertones. That'd be awesome.
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Steve Yun posted:If that much vibranium fell out of the sky, wouldn't the meteor have been large enough to cause an extinction level event The whole magic power of vibranium is that it absorbs impact and stores the majority of it to strengthen it's bonds. It's actually totally internally consistent that a mountain of vibranium crashing into something wouldn't be a very big crash. (but would leave the mountain glowing with energy)
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