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I'm curious how long critics wanted the film to spend showing Wakanda reaching out to the world and sharing tech. Would adding another twenty minutes of this make it a better film, when the Infinity movies are rumoured to be a giant reset button on their universe? I doubt it.
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McCloud posted:Well sure, I get that, but the thing is T'challa has the power to do more than just teaching the victim how to stand up for hirself. And even if we accept that that this is the best solution at hand, he can still confront the abuser and call him out for being a piece of poo poo, you know? That is to say, I want the movie to more strongly condemn the systemic racism, instead of merely paying lip service to that effect. Calling out an abuser has certainly resulted in big change so far when people do it!
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Again people focus on "all he does is build an outreach centre" when it's clearly shown as a first step. Sorry the film didn't add half an hour of making the world a better place.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:1) This is a fictional story. Everything in stories is contingent, there was nothing stopping the creators from telling a story in which the heroes genuinely improve the world instead of starting a coup. 1) How fun would a superhero movie be where they do nothing but improve the world? 2) This quote is in context to T'Challa at the start of the film, not the end.
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Snowman_McK posted:The problem Xbox pants has obliquely arrived it as that maybe the outreach centre will do something fantastical an amazing (freeze cops guns if they try to shoot an unarmed black kid within 7 blocks or something) but we don't know, because all of it is supposition, because addressing the underlying problem that Erik represents is crammed into the last 40 seconds of the movie, while the king dealing violently with a usurper (whatever the legal status of the completely ridiculous place's ridiculous succession laws) is given the overwhelming focus of the run time. The policy of isolation directly caused Eric to do everything he did because he wasn't brought back to Wakanda. I think you wanted a very different film, but complaining about 40 seconds of a Marvel superhero action film not being sufficient to address the many problems of the real world is, while accurate, perhaps a little unfair.
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Snowman_McK posted:They invoked the problems themselves, then avoided them for most of the movie. The product of a very real world problem is a villain, and the film is structured in a way that never treats him any different. The possibility of speaking to Erik is never entertained, nor is the possibility of redeeming him. T'Challa's mother tries to silences him. How would you structure the film to treat Erik differently? The movie ends with a chance to redeem himself, and Erik makes his choice with regards to bondage. T'Challa's mum tries to silence him because she thinks he's an outsider, again speaking to the theme of isolationism.
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