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BravestOfTheLamps posted:One of them was a special agent working for the US who helped overthrow foreign governments. The other was a special agent working for the US who helped overthrow foreign governments. How dare Cap try to topple the Nazi regime!  Give me a loving break. They are not equivalent in any sense of the world. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Feb 26, 2018 |
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Snowman_McK posted:If you ever want to remember how cynical the MCU is, remember that Iron Man invented free unlimited energy like 15 movies ago, yet every view of the world is exactly the world we recognise. Can he actually mass produce large scale plants? I was under the impression that he couldn't.
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Snowman_McK posted:It's unlimited energy. He doesn't need to mass produce it. That's not how power plants work, even scifi cold fusion ones. If a company invented working fusion reactors tomorrow, they still would have to mass produce them to provide the world with clean energy and depending on the design that could be ruinously expensive. No idea what your referncing in the second sentence, obviously I have to rewatch the Iron Man movies.
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garycoleisgod posted:To me the question is more why his methods make him the villain. Is it It's because it's a and b. Violence can be excused if it will work to achieve a disirable goal, but not if it won't. Cap's violence successfully stopped Hydra's coup and genocide. As for T'Challa's plan, it's kind of vauge, but yeah it's not going to make any over arching changes. If that's the standard, then yeah he shouldn't bother. But depending on how it's carried out it could improve things on the margins, and one could argue that's better than nothing. Hard to say since we don't really know what these outreach centers will do and what other, if any economic/technical aid Wakanda plans to give.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Well, his predecessor uses the plant to stage a coup and reclaim his throne, so it seems like Erik was pretty spot on. Hey, T'Challa was technically correct. He neither died nor yielded, thus the challange that Killmonger brought forth was still ongoing and T'Challa was still the legal King. 
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garycoleisgod posted:Yes,the violence would be horrible and cost untold innocent lives. The more violent a revolution gets, the more likely it is to fail at it's proclaimed ideological aims. The aforementioned French revolution failed because of it's descent into retalitory violence and purges, while the mild American revolution succeeded because it's was a relatively peacefull transition.
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Nodosaur posted:They were the ones attempting to secede. By definition they were the insurrectionists. Insurrectionists, yes. But they were rebelling to protect the status quo.
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Gatts posted:Greece, Rome, America, that sort of thing lasts a longer time because it allows the conquered to become citizens and have a voice in the process. Or at least that's the idea. If you're going to have a revolution, it can't be one that oppresses or victimizes constantly and separates the haves from the have nots. Killmonger's revolution would fail and is doomed, it is false. T'Challa's is more even tempered. Greece didn't do this and it's the primary reason they got rolled over by the Romans.
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Snowman_McK posted:Black Panther is yet another 'as soon as the oppressed are on top, they become worse than the oppressors' story, just like Bioshock Infinite and Far Cry 4. Or the Frost Giants. In fact, it's almost like there's a tendency to assume all revolutionaries are inherently worse than their oppressors. Have you seen what happens after most revolutions? Humans suck.
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Kurzon posted:How well-known was Black Panther outside of comics fandom before this movie? I always thought of Black Panther as a C-list hero. He never had a movie or cartoon show, just some guest appearances on the Avengers cartoons. I don't think anyone outside of the fandom knew who he was. He was, I think, on par with Doctor Strange, which is why I expected this movie to make under $700 million. I'd say he was well bellow Strange in the comics, since Strange often showed up in Avengers/F4 comics. Just hit $501 million domestic, $897 million total http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4376&p=.htm quote:It was yet another monster weekend for Disney and Marvel's Black Panther as the superhero feature became the third fastest film to ever reach $500 million domestic. Meanwhile, the weekend's new wide releases came up just a bit short of Mojo's pre-weekend forecast with Fox's Red Sparrow taking runner-up position behind Black Panther and MGM's Death Wish landing in third. It's also Oscar Sunday, which means we'll end this recap with a brief look at this some of year's nominees and how they stack up at the box office.
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