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Johnny Truant posted:Again... can we not have book spoilers in the TV topic, please?
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So glad to have this show back. Everything on Mao's yacht was a lot of fun. Cotyar and Bobbie are great together. Cotyar in particular, he didn't leave any impression on me in the books, but he's just so drat charming here. I'm not happy to see this level of drama on the Rocinante again. It makes sense given the plot and characters and honestly doesn't seem that forced given the situation they were all in... but it's just not as fun to watch as people getting along, with the intra-crew conflict being friendly (or even heated) sniping about what approach to take. Bobbie/Avasarala/Cotyar/Bulkhead boy were a more fun crew to spend time with this episode. Though I still enjoyed Prax. He's always great, even when things are really heavy for him. Eiba fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 06:07
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Mike the TV posted:I really like Prax Meng, and I want him to be a good guy, but he's a scumbag for hiding the protomolecule on the ship
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Apr 12, 2018 19:23
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Mike the TV posted:He said he sealed up the cargo bay, but he was washed in blue light while he did it. And what he named the ship. I haven't read the books, but his quote about needing to be burned alive was pretty obvious too. Matt Zerella posted:Does the first season have a ramp up? The characters get more chemistry as time goes on if that's your issue. They start off way more antagonistic in the show and kind of grow into the family they are in the books. If you want creepy visceral horror, that's even less present in the show than it was in the books. Protomolecule is glowy blue stuff rather than weird flesh stuff.
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Apr 12, 2018 21:14
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Phenotype posted:Also, for book readers: PLEASE don't comment at all when people speculate. I read through some of the last thread between seasons and I could just SEE show-watchers getting pissed off because people couldn't help spilling book knowledge over every comment. If someone asks [redacted] And even if that particular person DOES want the spoiler, you're kinda loving over everyone else when you answer that question with a chunk of black text, because [reasons] I guess I might have been motivated by the fact that the guy declared that Prax was a scumbag, when Prax is in fact a beautiful innocent plant man. (Not book spoilers. We've seen that in the show already.) If it was more speculative and less declarative it wouldn't have been as worth a comment. The other thing you mentioned was totally legit and it was annoying last season when people were coy about it. Eiba fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 23:25
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Phenotype posted:I'm all for mentioning spoilers in spoiler tags, really, at some point it's on you to remember to put the cursor somewhere safe before scrolling down. We oughta have some place to say "They did X much differently in the show, how is that going to affect Y next season?" and this show isn't big enough for a bookreader thread like Game of Thrones. I was really just asking for people not to involve themselves in speculative comments from show-only fans. The Miller stuff was just an example of how you can give a lot away even with spoiler bars when you're responding to people who are just wondering out loud about the show's future. No one's posted there since the show came back though.
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Apr 14, 2018 03:02
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twistedmentat posted:Also, I am still confused on what exactly happened on Ganymede, that started the battle that lead to the destruction of Orbital Mirrors and the UN forces attacking Bobbi's squad (or was that they were shooting at the Protomonsters and it was misinterpreted by the MMC). Come to think of it I'm not entirely sure why blowing the poo poo out of a bunch of other warships is a natural consequence of a group of like seven people being ambiguously attacked. I guess all it takes is one warship to fire and then there's a chain reaction of "oh poo poo, they're shooting at us, better shoot back!" But who thought, "Our marines got attacked! Better start shooting this UN battleship now."? Maybe they assumed the UN marines were attacking as part of a wider surprise attack and didn't want to let the UN ships get the jump on them?
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Apr 15, 2018 22:21
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That scene of Avasarala looking up at her reflection near the end was pretty great. It took a while to understand what you were looking at. The disorientation was great. I both like and am kind of worried about how they've been keeping space battles interesting. In theory the whole tool cabinet thing should have come off as contrived drama... but in practice I just wanted poor Prax to be okay.  Amos is great (as if it needed saying again). bloom posted:I already like Ana more than I did in the books. It is interesting to speculate how things will go, and since someone went to the trouble of making a thread for that, we might as well use it.
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Apr 19, 2018 06:03
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counterfeitsaint posted:I feel like they're having all kinds of pacing issues trying to translate everything with Bobby and Christian to a TV episodic format. Season 2 ends with Bobby in power armor showing up to save Christian as heroic music plays. S03E01 opens with them still being very much in danger surrounded by hostiles on the ship, then the ship itself is in danger. The episode ends with them blasting off as fast as they can, escaping the ship as heroic music plays. S03E02 opens with them right next to a stationary debris field, stationary themselves and trying to hide. What the debris is not doing is accelerating. The Razorback heroically accelerated away from the exploding ship the moment it exploded so it would resemble that fast moving debris. To me it feels like each episode ended with one huge problem out of many huge problems being dealt with, and the following episode dealt with subsequent problems. Or should Bobbie have taken on the UN ship with her power armor as part of the S2 finale?
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Apr 19, 2018 22:49
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NowonSA posted:At the same time, if they could actually prove that they've done a ton to expose the protomolecule shenanigans, that they were instrumental to Eros not straight up killing Earth, etc., then they'd justifiably deserve to be paid all the money and get an even fancier ship if they wanted it. Like they basically have more firepower by themselves than the rest of the OPA at this point. On just a conceptual level, I don't know what the appeal is in getting a new ship. It's way more fun to get comfy and familiar with one ship. Break it in over the years, make it feel like home. That's more compelling to me than fancy new ships.
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Apr 22, 2018 21:54
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:2 million out of how many billion? Just a fleshwound I'm totally on board with Anna's plot here. It's actually really compelling. Errinwright has become such a shitbag villain... but we saw how he got here. The guy made choices, and now he's got to double down. It's hosed.
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Apr 26, 2018 05:12
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Cingulate posted:Don't be silly. That could have been played quite well. With more screen time they could have compellingly built up the tension from the delay more. Have Errenwright spend half an hour telling the General Secretary that millions of people probably wouldn't die. But I have no problem with what they did spend time on instead. The missile scene was still super tense. They didn't need to emphasize how maddeningly slow that tension would have been. Emphasizing the time would have broken the flow of the scene, dragging it out, when it already has the right emotional impact as it is.
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Apr 27, 2018 20:46
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Fister Roboto posted:Alternatively they could have done something else to show that the SG is an easily swayed bobblehead, Errinwright is ruthless, etc. This whole sequence wasn't in the book at all, so it's not something that they had to make watchable. More explicitly depicting the time delay does not add to the story at all. It would just require additional explanation, and additional scenes of anxious looking people doing nothing, which we already got our fair share of, as there was nothing for anyone in that room to do after the Secretary General made his decision to strike. I'm all for accuracy for the sake of accuracy. Every time I figure out why things are moving the non-intuitive way they are in this show is a delight. But one thing I'm totally fine with them glossing over is how boringly long everything takes. Transit times have always been abstracted- the Rocinante leaves Tycho, and next thing we know it's hijacking the Weeping Somnambulist outside the Jupiter system. Prax has been on the ship for days and days at least. We could have had a whole episode about the routine the crew develops, what they're anxious about, how they see their passenger. You could use that time for something. But they just cut it to get to the good stuff and had all the character development happen on Ganymede. That is the opposite of annoying to me. That's deeply appreciated. Same here. The people in the story would probably have a different experience than how it was presented to the viewer, but the way they presented it was snappy and to the point. It didn't miss anything with regards to plot or emotional developments, and got us to the next part of the story faster, which is on the whole way more interesting than examining the stressful tedium of watching helplessly for hours as events unfold.
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Apr 27, 2018 23:44
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Fister Roboto posted:But they could have done it in so many other ways. Like others said, they could have broken up the scene to imply the passage of time, rather than literally watching the projectiles cross the inner solar system in 15 seconds. Or they could have said that the Mars ships had managed to sneak inside of Luna's orbit. Breaking the laws of physics doesn't add anything to the story either, so why do it? As for what it adds- a sense of tension that they would not have been able to maintain if you cut to other stuff happening between missile scenes. All the people in that room were going to be on the edge of their seat, worried out of their minds about the lives in the balance for the entirety of that operation. If you want the audience to experience that, you can't cut to the crew of the Rocinante farting around, or Anna skyping her kid. You'd have to stay in that room and give the audience a taste of how long a time is passing and how helpless everyone is... and that would indeed be interesting, but it would necessarily take a long time. It was a drat good scene, but I'd really rather get the gist of it (as we very neatly did) and get on with it's implications and other story events. Rewatching that scene, even with an eye for pedantry and knowing exactly how it goes down... it's incredibly tense! The quick wordless reaction shots of the General Secretary and Errenwright are really evocative. It gives you the experience of these people having made a decision and being helpless to do anything but accept the consequences at this point. It's a pretty great scene! It would be a shame to let pedantry ruin that for you. Eiba fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Apr 28, 2018 |
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Apr 28, 2018 00:36
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Fister Roboto posted:Stable orbits don't. A massive explosion imparts new velocity vectors, and all it takes is a little nudge to degrade an orbit and set it on a reentry trajectory. If it was in Earth orbit, I'd say they'd probably burn up in the atmosphere, but Mars doesn't really have much of that. Deimos is tiny and insignificant, and the only real reason people are upset is at the principle of losing a moon (and a small military base). Eiba fucked around with this message at 00:08 on May 1, 2018 |
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May 1, 2018 00:05
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Yeah it's not so far-fetched, it'd be like a Russian soldier today recognising the American vice-president. And the UN in this show is pretty clearly a nation- and a superpower in the system at that. Comparing it to the current UN is going to throw you off. So yeah, it's quite likely that she'd be immediately recognized by a martian grunt.
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May 8, 2018 19:02
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:For those worried about the season's ending:
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May 12, 2018 03:53
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"If all the planets align something might shift" Yeah, this isn't good...
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May 15, 2018 23:59
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timp posted:Paradox actually did make a space exploration grand strategy game (which I only know about thanks to randomly catching an ad for a sale the other day) but I have no idea if it's any good. Recent reviews are Mostly Negative so it may not be all that great. It's called Stellaris...anybody here ever play it? And it's sad negative recent reviews give a bad first impression. A recent huge free update removed some awkward gameplay systems to vastly improve the overall game. Some diehard fans are... overly loss averse and flipped the gently caress out. It's pretty unanimously praised in the SA thread.
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May 18, 2018 20:47
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In what world does "world" just mean "planet"?  This is such a weird discussion.
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May 19, 2018 07:27
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Joe Mantis posted:In summary: no promises, lots of moving parts, currently working through multiple scenarios, keep making noise. I'll be absolutely thrilled if another season is confirmed but all this meaningless noise doesn't seem actually hopeful to me at this point.
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May 21, 2018 06:16
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Fister Roboto posted:this thread: loving bookreaders, always spoiling things, go post in a different thread because we can't not read spoiler tags Hot tip, if you're responding to someone saying "spoil me about X" you should probably respond with spoiler tags. It's a pretty minor spoiler all things considered, especially since the show has not been shy about giving popular characters more screen time than they get in the books, but it doesn't hurt to be courteous.
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Grand Fromage posted:Bobbie is not in this book, but she was with the fleet in the last episode so presumably they're rolling her into the story somehow because it works better for TV. Avasarala also is not in the third book but again, I'm sure they'll fit her in somehow. I'm glad we're getting more Bobbie though. And I'm glad people are glad of that. I feel like one of the few missteps the show made was in introducing Bobbie a bit too early, so her first few episodes were just her being a dumb annoying marine and people were wondering why book readers were so excited to see such an obnoxious character. It looks like Bobbie's innate awesomeness in the following events shines through even that first impression. Or maybe that first impression helped give a real sense of progression to her character. Either way, she's great now and it looks like we're getting more of her. It's crazy how good the show's been. The book was pretty mediocre, but this adaptation is riveting!
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The Roci is basically obsolete garbage at this point and Mars only wants it back because it is a huge slap in the face from the OPA that it is considered "legitimate salvage." Earth doesn't care because "gently caress Mars." As for why the MCRN cares, it's not a vital part of the Martian war machine or anything, it's a matter of principle for them- no one but the MCRN should be allowed to fly Martian ships. It also gives them a good excuse to be the first great power through the gate (even though the OPA could make a case for the belter kid and the Rocinante as being vaguely belt-affiliated).
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Jun 7, 2018 22:50
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Mu Zeta posted:I just wasn't a fan of Drummer's delivery of the speech. The sentiment was solid and I wouldn't change any of the words, but it needed to be delivered by someone maybe 30-40 pounds heavier or with more scars.
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Jun 14, 2018 02:05
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The suit is probably fine, but well, as we saw earlier this season, even if the machines around you are fine with a massive change in velocity, human bodies aren't so resilient. (Edit: Didn't remember the elevator explosion. That would change things.) That said, I really hope he's still around. He's got a really sympathetic story and him being kind of a poo poo is totally understandable, given everything he went through. I'd appreciate a look at how someone like that moves on and keeps dealing with the world, rather than ending his story on the note, "he was obnoxious and no one will mourn that little poo poo." It seems uncharacteristically cruel of the show to just totally poo poo on a character like that and then drop them, even if they successfully got the audience to hate the character first.
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Jul 1, 2018 18:11
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Elias_Maluco posted:Is not so much what he did but the way he acts, I think. He just developed kinda of a villain attitude there wanst there before. Maybe I wanted to see him get some sort of comeuppance for that and get knocked down a peg. Have him grow as a person from his failures. I did not want to see him get reduced to
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Phi230 posted:yeah TVIV, gently caress those uppity belters for being mad about Even Ashford saw that Diogo needed some public shaming to shape up.
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Jul 1, 2018 20:33
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John Wilkes Booth posted:What ever happened to that protomolecule scientist that Dawes kidnapped and Diogo was the decoy for? I don't recall seeing or hearing anything about him after that episode. That was the basis for the cooperation between Johnson and Dawes- Johnson has a protomolecule sample, Dawes has a protomolecule scientist.
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Morphix posted:Meanwhile the giant alien war we could be exploring, meh lets just leave that for the cliffhangers. like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck at your posts.Like, "I don't like what they're talking about," is a pretty indisputable opinion if you feel that way. But when you follow it up with the idea that it's slowing down buildup to an alien war that you're looking forward to it's like you're watching a whole different TV series. Especially since the boring bits to you are when the show's about a war. Like you were tired of the war arc because you wanted a war. Edit: Phenotype posted:I dunno, the more I think about it, the more the whole PM mutant arc seems like a pointless sidequest. What did that whole storyline do that wasn't already done by the Eros plotline? It was basically another arc of how bad scientists do bad things with the PM and how Mars and Earth are at eachother's throats. I can see how the show might be spinning its wheels a little bit there. In the show they know where they're going better and changed things around so it doesn't feel like the exact same story. The War is actually a new big deal when it happens in Caliban's War being the biggest change, rather than just another war. But the broad strokes of "corporation messing with protomolecule" kind of happens twice. They do a good job at giving it a much more natural progression in the show, but it really comes from the fact that the books were pretty overtly repetitive and it's hard to hide that completely. Eiba fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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I never really looked at it that way before. In comparison to something like Star Trek the setting is incredibly cynical, and a lot of time is spent watching people who mean the best being frustrated by just how hard it is to change things... but in the end the story is about people trying to do the right thing. In the face of the unknown humanity doesn't respond well by default, but maybe if enough people care and try their hardest we can do better. I like the Star Trek style optimistic setting where a fully realized good future is shown as an example of what humanity could be, but I also really like this setting, where a realistically terrible future is presented, but people are trying to make it better, as an example of what humanity can do.
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MA-Horus posted:I got a pic from the set, they're doing that colony planet for sure. Kinda reminds me of New Caprica. Maybe post it (and other S4 details) in the spoiler thread.
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Sep 25, 2018 18:11
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There is a spoiler thread for talking about book stuff if you'd like. And if it makes you feel better they've already said they will be featuring plots for characters who weren't in Cibola Burns, so we're not going to be getting exclusively Cibola Burns material anyway.
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bitprophet posted:psst it's Cibola Burn, no 's'. Cibola Burns is Mr Burns' second cousin from The Simpsons.
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Baronjutter posted:I like that the outer planets alliance doesn't contain a single inhabited planet.
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twistedmentat posted:I could actually imagine the people who live on the Planetary moon bases don't consider themselves Belters. And it seems like the Belters don't think the same thing of them when they spaced them in that episode. He even speaks the creole in a few scenes, as do a lot of the people on Ganymede later on. The Jovian moons are 100% part of the Belt, politically and culturally.
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logikv9 posted:i'm not the biggest fan of how they introduce protogen and their super soldier suits in an epic scene where they kill the flagship of the martian navy and then never bring up this immense technological advantage again. it felt like the show was going in one direction only for them to change their minds at the last minute and refocus elsewhere. sure the stealth tech remained a threat, but even that became a big nothing after they shot one up. Turns out the alien stuff was cool and good, but the weirdly hardcore corporate super soldiers still seem out of place, the way they were presented.
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Toast Museum posted:To make a higher-gravity station, the station needs either to be larger or to spin faster. Faster spin means more disorientation issues, though, and it probably isn't worth it just to make Earthers happy. Does anyone really want 1g? I'm from Earth, 1g is kinda lovely. By all accounts .3g is totally fine. There's an up and down to make your inner ear happy, you can walk fine instead of awkwardly hopping like on the Moon. You can apparently do this cool leaping run thing where you're basically flying along but you kick the ground every now and then. A fairly universal .3g around the Belt is entirely sensible. Martians are used to it, Earthers are going to feel great in it, and Belters who grew up under less or no gravity/acceleration aren't going to loving die in it. There is no reason to subject anyone to 1g. Not even Earthers. I mean, except for maybe health reasons. Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:I love how in the books and show, the Martians talk so much poo poo about ~training at 1G~ but when they actually get to Earth (props to the costume dept for weighting Frankie Adams down) they are like "ugh gravity sucks."
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