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God drat I've missed this show. And while it's certainly possible Paige could be called upon to do/stomach something unspeakable, the whole point of second generation naturalized agents is so they don't *have* to do as much to get high-value intel. If Elizabeth comes across a guy who gets his jollies beating the poo poo out of women, she has to take it if it means she's still getting intel vital to her mission. Directorate S ultimately wants Paige Jennings, not her covers. I'd say one thing that I'd be surprised if it isn't touched upon is whether Elizabeth will begin to resent Paige "having it easier" and being more intrinsically valuable to "the cause" than she ever was. It's got to annoy the poo poo out of her that Paige gets to  her way through learning to be an operative, making mistakes that would've gotten her shot during *her* training.
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It could be demonstrated that Paige felt coerced. She'd still get jail time for espionage, but she'd be out before she was 30.
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All I know is that *someone* is dying from that suicide pill. It's *going* to get used - just maybe not on the person it was intended for.
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Drunk Canuck posted:Stan's girlfriend is totally CIA. Honestly, the curve ball would be if she *was* an agent, just not US or Soviet. Maybe British or Scandinavian or something.
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Apr 3, 2018 00:04
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I was waiting for "it's not my blood." Besides, Paige straight up watched her mother murder two guys with a knife. This was tame in comparison. Also, did anyone else wonder why the General was packing such a dinky little pistol? BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Apr 5, 2018 |
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xerxus posted:It kinda bothered me a little that Paige took that shot. Uh, from what I saw Elizabeth forced the gun in the General's hand under his chin, and forced him to pull the trigger. Paige wasn't armed, and if she had been, it would've completely invalidated setting the scene up as a suicide.
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canyoneer posted:And I bet cyanide pill gets used on cancer wife Oh, I'm thinking this, too. The question is - does Elizabeth, having developed a bit of a rapport with the dying woman, go for Round 2 of "Suicide Confessional" like she did with the poor old lady at the Mail Robot Repair Depot?
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Going by the way things have gone in the past, if this lithium sensor is so damned important, they're going to want Phil and Liz working together again to procure it through other avenues.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Ok that may or may not have been a gigantic red flag from Stan's girlfriend I see it differently. A KGB operative would know the age limit and would not have asked in the first place. It would have been more suspect if she'd asked about a civilian position at the Bureau. Also, even if she were the right age, they'd never see each other and it'd cripple their relationship. Now, if he *counters* with that civilian job idea in the next episode or so, we might be able to infer she's socially engineering him, but Stan's smart enough to know that her working near/with him is a *horrible* idea. And the first chance he gets, he's going to say "you're not going to believe what Renee said the other night" to either Dennis *and/or* Phil. And, she'd never pass the clearance process even for a civilian job at the FBI if she's a first-generation illegal operative. It's the whole reason they're even bothering with Paige. This settles the "is Renee a *Russian* operative" question in my mind. It still doesn't put to rest the idea that she might be someone *else's* operative, though. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Oh, and even with Philip showing himself to be *extra* careful in watching for tails (since it was light when he got out of the car and dark when he got to the park), Oleg should know better about meeting with a Directorate S operative *right after* a former FBI counterintelligence agent pays him a courtesy call that lets him know he's being watched. Also, having gone through the clearance process myself, I'm trying to wrap my head around who Paige's references would be. They sure as hell can't use Claudia, and Father Tim is ~away~ somewhere. Her entire support network is comprised of iffy people with with even 'iffier' (wow, 'iffier' is actually a word) credentials. Wouldn't *that* be a loving pip - if the mighty KGB is foiled by the SF-86 questionnaire...or Paige's first polygraph. The second they tell her for the first time that "we have reason to believe you're being evasive" she'll crack like cheap china. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Well, that guy *had* to die. There was no way he wasn't going to mention the 'security audit' to his 'works in the building's security' girlfriend, even though he signed the NDA.
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howe_sam posted:There's always Stan, and some of the people who work at the travel agency. Red flag on the latter, simply because they work for her father and might feel tempted to say glowing things, but yeah, Stan would work. Probably a handful of teachers as well.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:lol at trying to convince the Directorate S brass that you need more money for a private parochial school. "Keeping up appearances." Paige is way more likely to get into the position where they want her in if she comes from a successful family.
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Old James posted:What was the Russian dish they made? They were talking about making Golubtsy and Solyanka. Kvass was mentioned last season - that agricultural guy mentioned trying to make it for himself. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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In the "coming up on this season" thing, we already saw Paige in bed next to some preppy-looking prick, looking uninterested and pensive.
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TheCenturion posted:...could be showing that he's hiding important life stuff from Elizabeth for whatever reason... Well, he's tried to tell her about it, only to get the DEATH STARE hurled back at him. It's clearly obvious she resents the fact that he's "out." If anything, that's the one thing I'm having trouble with this season - Phil being just straight up *out* of the KGB. I could see them switching him to a *support* role, or as someone else suggested, using the travel agency to move agents and wash money, but them just *agreeing* to let him become Mr. Normal American so long as Liz keeps doing the spyin' and killin' just doesn't wash.
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Cojawfee posted:I don't think he's really out. He's still an asset, as shown by when Oleg meets up with him. Yeah, but that struck him as really unorthodox. Oleg was told his contact procedures, and Phil seemed genuinely annoyed/surprised when he saw the mark. The first words out of his mouth upon meeting with Oleg were "I'm out."
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"Well, he's your department" is about the coldest loving thing I've ever heard Elizabeth say. The level of detachment in her voice concerning the well-being of her *son* (and his future and happiness) was chilling.
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howe_sam posted:It seemed to me like it wasn't so much detachment as it was roasting Philip after he tried to interject himself into Paige's spy education. You'd *think* that, but she seemed entirely unconcerned about Henry having to leave his school in his senior year. Of course, *she* never had a "senior year" by American standards, but I took from that exchange that she clearly does not care about Henry as much as she does Paige, specifically for the reason that Paige is more valuable to ~the Rodina~. My guess is Philip is going to get forced back into operational status under the proviso that the Center starts figuring out a way to funnel them extra cash to help make ends meet. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:I'm going through all the seasons again, and I'd forgotten how royally hosed Nina gets, then her trial and execution scene. Just the denial of appeal and a bullet to the back of her head. At least she wasn't made to suffer and overly contemplate her fate over a long period of appeals, never knowing when death will come.
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Liz is going to go ballistic when Phil tells her "Operation: Kimmy" is a non-starter, and that "you aren't like Mom and I"  moment with Paige...I half expected him to ask her to "go find a suitcase," just for explanation's sake. I do think Phil laid the groundwork for their downfall in this episode, though. And I kinda went  when my prior prediction about the civilian job for Renee at the Bureau came true.Honestly, I wonder if she's not "ours," in a long term cover trying to prove Stan's a double agent. If this show ends like Arlington Road I'm gonna be *so* pissed... BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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And next week's episode is entitled "Rififi," the only thing I can get out of it is that it's a Greek colloquial term/nickname for...bank robber Also the name of an old robbery film where the robbery went bad.
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Also, I can't remember - did Elizabeth actually get the go-ahead to kill them? I remember Claudia saying something to the effect of "something might have to be done," but I'm wondering if Liz, all hyped up on hypernationalism and anger/disappointment with Paige, just decided to recklessly off Gennadi. I mean, she had *no* op support whatsoever.
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dwarf74 posted:Wow, that episode was something else. Guessing "B," simply because even though the woman in question had a pretty thick Slavic/Russian accent, she had no way of knowing if she was an American citizen since she hadn't seen her face. For all she knew, it was some woman the FBI had procured to be a nanny or something. She just kind of got lucky that it was the other defector. Sure, she's killed a ton of naturalized Americans in the past, but this one would very plainly be an assassination by a Russian clandestine agent. It wouldn't surprise me if Oleg gets sold out or  ed even though he had nothing to do with this simply because he's not supposed to be there and it's a convenient way for the Rezidentura to dispose of him by making him the patsy.
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Gyshall posted:Elizabeth is a psycho brainwashed communist zealot suffering from PTSD. I feel like she's going to just snap and lose it in one of these final episodes. I read her attitude towards Paige's lapses in judgment and mistakes as *her* failure. Like her ~grand contribution to the cause~ isn't worthy of it. There is no way Paige is not going to gently caress *everything* over (especially with this last episode's peek into her 'superiority complex' over Phil), and Liz keeps trying to shove the square peg through the pinhole because  .Her parents have always been 'absentee' to some extent, and now that she knows why, like any 20-something, she's eager to show them up at their own game. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 28, 2018 |
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GobiasIndustries posted:What was the communication method that Phillip and Oleg used? Was that a mix of mouthwash and...something? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-time_pad It was a one time pad. Philip placed the coded message along with a nondescript page of the pad encoded with the decryption key written in a special ink inside the message pad and then shoved the message pad into the window grate. Oleg, remembering his tradecraft, used a specific mix of reagents (likely *not* cologne and mouthwash) to bring out the key from the otherwise 'clean' page of the message pad, because he did not travel with a one time pad of his own (and it would be worthless anyway as they're all unique) because "he is there to learn about railroads and traffic."  Even if the FBI broke down Oleg's door and took the message and decryption key, it's *one* one time pad, and is worthless in the grand scheme of things. That being said, Philip *copied* a page from *their* one time pad book. Copied it, then didn't *destroy it*, because Liz would probably notice that. Which means that if Oleg is compromised and if he hasn't destroyed that decryption key (for whatever reason, or because it's the only way he and Philip can safely communicate), the FBI will be able to read the message Liz wrote with that page. It's unlikely in the grand scheme of things, but it's precisely the kind of situation OTPs are used to avoid. ----- That aside, what I'm wondering is if Phil's original intent was to raid Liz's stashes to steal some of her bolt money so he wouldn't have to use Henry's pity lifeline, but ended up instead getting too curious and checking all of them to learn more about what she's up to. Also, just call it a hunch, but I've a feeling Liz is going to see what a "true comrade" looks like when he's dying from cyanide poisoning. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:35 on May 3, 2018 |
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esperterra posted:And I can't wait. It's been building since day one with her, she has to snap. Speaking of which, Phil's "gently caress!" was used masterfully.
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Fuckstick posted:If you think from that teaser that Phil is going to put himself to Stan next week I’m afraid that you are going to be disappointed. He’s probably going to tell Stan a made up story about “marriage problems”. Unless of course Elizabeth gets spotted in Chicago by the people tailing Harvest. Just a reminder - I'm sure they're going to dig this out of a drawer: 
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Gonz posted:Mail Robot actually has a Dead Hand mechanism inside of it, so if anyone ever stops having it deliver mail, it explodes. The closing shot of the series is Mail Robot repeatedly banging into the FBI's first email server, beeping like we've never heard it beep before.
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All they have to do to poison Stan is drop the pill in a bottle/glass of beer. Dude will never turn down a free beer.
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Hasselblad posted:I see Phillip getting killed due to Liz's mistakes. Then Stan kills her. There is no way Oleg is not being made the patsy when all of this goes tits up. It's too convenient for the 'bad' Soviets.
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Cojawfee posted:Only if Reagan immediately goes full senile, asking where he is and where is FTFY. He really did call her "Mommy."
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The attention to detail is astonishing on this show. A few seasons back, they correctly referenced two branch streets in my general vicinity (both of which are relatively close to Hanssen's dead drop location) as well as have dug up obscure DC area television ads like Belmont TV for random moments. And in this episode, they recreate a period-correct Roy Rogers instead of just make the guy work at 'Tony's Pizza" or something. I know they still exist in small numbers, but drat.
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The only way I could see Kimmie being brought back is in a "she casually mentioned the warning she was given to her father and he went apeshit" way. Philip's pretty much hit pure "gently caress it" at this point, and I'm sure Stavos' confession that he knew on some level that the business was a front ~for something~ from the beginning probably had to bruise Phil's ego more than a little, since it implies they aren't as good at covering their tracks as they think, and if Stavos can figure it out, who else suspects/knows something?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:There’s no way he comes out of this without at least his professional reputation being in tatters. Aderholt's, too. In a nutshell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT4_Fefew78
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Well, at least she doesn't have to worry about advancement anymore. And I'm sure Claudia's going to hear about how they made her up to look *exactly* like Elizabeth. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:43 on May 24, 2018 |
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Could've sworn that when Claudia's hands went under the table that it meant one of them wasn't going to be alive in another few seconds.
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"So yeah - my superior went in to talk to the FBI today. Do you think I should be worried?" Philip:
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beanieson posted:Way to go father andre 🙄 I *think* it was the woman (edit: Tatiana) that Oleg screwed over. The one who has been setting him up at the Rezidentura as revenge for him tanking her career. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 04:44 on May 24, 2018 |
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