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gschmidl posted:Autopilol.
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autopilol will be the eventual name of a GitHub repo where you can download software onto a raspberry pi to complete the fsd system that Tesla never could
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Jul 4, 2022 13:24
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Nvidia's line-smoothing algorithm has more object permanence than autopilot lol.
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Jul 4, 2022 13:32
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i still don't understand what super special secret machine vision they're doing that they can't implement a simple object tracker running on top of it. like sure they're running whatever deep learning segmentation/classification network with no memory on every frame, but you can still do some post-processing on top of that and enforce movement rules at least on the shiny display you show the driver so that vehicles don't wobble around the road phasing in and out of existence
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Jul 4, 2022 13:34
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that's like an exercise you'd set a second year comp sci student so either there is something extremely smart going on that i am unable to fathom, or they simply don't give a poo poo
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Jul 4, 2022 13:35
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big scary monsters posted:that's like an exercise you'd set a second year comp sci student so either there is something extremely smart going on that i am unable to fathom, or they simply don't give a poo poo if they gave a poo poo they’d pay the licensing fees to use lidar.
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Jul 4, 2022 13:37
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maybe they’re doing functional programming so they don’t like objects nor related concepts such as object permanence
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Jul 4, 2022 13:51
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well it doesn't seem to function, so that's right out. i guess they're using a stack (of bodies) based programming language
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Jul 4, 2022 13:55
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they also don't seem to like driver permanence
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Jul 4, 2022 14:00
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its made in everyones favourite data science language python. the interface implemented en qt.
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Jul 4, 2022 14:02
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you can clearly see the reason why they don't have any object permanence on the display shown in these autopilot videos. stuff that is there is randomly disappearing but also a bunch of stuff that isn't there is randomly appearing. Tesla's object classifier is noisy as poo poo, and if there were any object permanence the scene would quickly fill up with phantom objects and the car wouldn't be able to move. LiDAR effectively solves the noise problem because if there isn't a LiDAR return for a point there's almost certainly nothing there that would be problematic to pass through. but musk hates LiDAR so...
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Jul 4, 2022 14:11
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:the only way that no object permanence makes sense is if you’re getting a ton of false positives and your virtual roadway would load up with vehicles that aren’t actually there. congratulations that's exactly the reason a single false positive is enough to break any "object permanence" algorithm take it from me, the guy who did some opencv for a few months one time and couldn't implement some form of object permanence in my face detection app
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Jul 4, 2022 14:13
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Shifty Pony posted:you can clearly see the reason why they don't have any object permanence on the display shown in these autopilot videos. stuff that is there is randomly disappearing but also a bunch of stuff that isn't there is randomly appearing. Tesla's object classifier is noisy as poo poo, and if there were any object permanence the scene would quickly fill up with phantom objects and the car wouldn't be able to move. I mean is it just him being dumb and being like "humans only use eyes to drive so so should my magic save-the-world car"? or is there a deeper-seated reason?
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Jul 4, 2022 14:14
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i thought he violated some terms of service with mobileye by claiming tesla made all their driving software, so he decided to make it true
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Jul 4, 2022 14:26
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MononcQc posted:maybe they’re doing functional programming so they don’t like objects nor related concepts such as object permanence except they also don't like object immutability
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Jul 4, 2022 14:27
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go play outside Skyler posted:congratulations that's exactly the reason the techniques for this case should be something like averaging frames over time, and applying like a low pass filter (or something more advanced) so that the algorithm does not thrash around reacting wildly to any sporadic input it may get objects can appear suddenly, but they shouldn’t flicker in and out of existence after being detected
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Jul 4, 2022 14:35
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Agile Vector posted:i thought he violated some terms of service with mobileye by claiming tesla made all their driving software, so he decided to make it true I thought the rumor mill was that mobile eye noticed what Tesla was using their system for, had safety concerns, and when those weren't addressed they pulled their own licensing.
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Jul 4, 2022 14:41
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Shifty Pony posted:Nvidia's line-smoothing algorithm has more object permanence than autopilot lol.
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i thought it was musk refused to pay for lidar licensing. all teslas up until the licensing battle have lidar, but it is disabled. all the talk about using cameras because eyes are all we need is bluster to justify their loss of the actual good system.
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Jul 4, 2022 14:59
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layering proper hard logic like object permance forcing the ml model to continue to see a bus if it claimed one existed previously remains mostly open research at this point. lot of people working on it, but hard to argue that we're better off than in the 80s there (i.e. the ml layer much better, but the integration just as crude). ml models working over time usually also do have some recurrence, remembering its own state from a previous time step, but it kind of naturally has an exponential fall-off where unless you bias the training substantially (again open research) it reverts to some blurry mean. and in the average traffic situation there is no train coming right at you. e: i generally think fsd needs some additional substantial breakthroughs to be safe, no matter the sensors i don't expect current approaches to deal well with representing "there is a bicyclist occluded by that bus" and similar
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Jul 4, 2022 15:03
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Manzoon posted:I thought the rumor mill was that mobile eye noticed what Tesla was using their system for, had safety concerns, and when those weren't addressed they pulled their own licensing. ah, that'd make more sense
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Jul 4, 2022 15:06
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Mr. Nice! posted:i thought it was musk refused to pay for lidar licensing. all teslas up until the licensing battle have lidar, but it is disabled. teslas have never had lidar, they have had a pencil beam radar that was used for the base traffic aware cruise control features, but that supposedly is no longer present on the newer models
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Jul 4, 2022 15:23
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infernal machines posted:teslas have never had lidar, they have had a pencil beam radar that was used for the base traffic aware cruise control features, but that supposedly is no longer present on the newer models that’s the one that he had the licensing slapfight over! thank you for the correction.
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Jul 4, 2022 15:37
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lmao if they pushed the cybertrk toy to get ahead of "tesla ota update brick" complaints or something
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Jul 4, 2022 18:05
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Manzoon posted:I thought the rumor mill was that mobile eye noticed what Tesla was using their system for, had safety concerns, and when those weren't addressed they pulled their own licensing. yep. mobile eye saw all the features that Tesla was advertising, told Tesla that ME's systems don't support that use (because it was far beyond the ability of the ME system to do reliably), Tesla refused to stop implementing the features, and ME stopped selling to Tesla.
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refleks posted:its made in everyones favourite data science language python. the interface implemented en qt. i have bad news about every other modern car
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Jul 4, 2022 18:58
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Jonny 290 posted:lmao if they pushed the cybertrk toy to get ahead of "tesla ota update brick" complaints or something using one shoddy toy to distract from another
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4lokos basilisk posted:the techniques for this case should be something like averaging frames over time, and applying like a low pass filter (or something more advanced) so that the algorithm does not thrash around reacting wildly to any sporadic input it may get the problem with any of this is that you still have to assume the object exists when you see it, because even "well, we'll see if it keeps showing up for a few frames" is how you insert a car into a firetruck
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Jul 4, 2022 21:07
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Shifty Pony posted:yep. mobile eye saw all the features that Tesla was advertising, told Tesla that ME's systems don't support that use (because it was far beyond the ability of the ME system to do reliably), Tesla refused to stop implementing the features, and ME stopped selling to Tesla. lol
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note: range extender not an actual product being developed https://twitter.com/tesla_adri/status/1543958596983169025
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Chris Knight posted:note: range extender not an actual product being developed that solar trailer is giving off some real "hipster-on-youtube-who-builds-a-teardrop-camper-on-a-home-depot-trailer-using-plywood-soaked-in-epoxy-resin-while-lovely-lo-fi-music-plays"... oh and remember to hit that like and subscribe button
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refleks posted:that solar trailer is giving off some real "hipster-on-youtube-who-builds-a-teardrop-camper-on-a-home-depot-trailer-using-plywood-soaked-in-epoxy-resin-while-lovely-lo-fi-music-plays"...  https://tinyhousetalk.com/route-del-sol-all-electric-solar-powered-motorhome/
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lolquote:Currently, the van is in Mexico awaiting the reopening of the USA border – when the COVID-19 related ‘Nonessential Travel’ ban is lifted – in order to venture to Miami and be outfitted out with its brand new solar array – a gift from Galt Energy
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Galt Energy i did't think i could wish for the death of a business faster than this
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is it.. safe to hang out behind the solar panels like this?
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I mean it's not dangerous per se, except that they appear to be using load-bearing vise grips to clamp it all together
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Chris Knight posted:note: range extender not an actual product being developed a structural battery pack doesn't sound like a very good idea
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:a structural battery pack doesn't sound like a very good idea dumber than any other telsa idea?
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structural battery pack? sounds like they're load-bearing cells 
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i'm sure that joke has been made a million times but lol lmao tesla
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