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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Also Americans don't forget, it will be simulcast in the afternoon on

so we can all livepost internationally!


CobiWann posted:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

This new Doctor...they have a YORKSHIRE accent?!? The show has been ruined forever. Again!

If only we had a wiki entry for "Times Doctor Who Was Ruined Forever" to add this to. :sigh:

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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Lunatic Sledge posted:

there's not a lot of things I support every wiki picking up from the transformers wiki, but that is in fact one of them

There was once a timeline where we had this, but it was lost in The Great Time War:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180318013639/http://doctorwhogeneral.wikia.com:80/wiki/Times_Doctor_Who_Was_Ruined_Forever

quote:

21/12/1963 – Silly robot monsters introduced into informative historical series. Doctor Who dies.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


The_Doctor posted:

Chibnall never sounds like he wants to be doing these advertising bits in the way Moffat always was.

He does sound like he "gets it" though which is great.

And let's not kid ourselves, he probably has a list a mile long of boxes he wants to tick from when he was a kid, same as Moffat (minus the ones Moffat and RTD already beat him to). Which leads me to wonder, has anyone trawled Chibnall's interviews, Usenet posts, fanzine letters, etc to get any hints as to what he wants to do? Cause Lord knows half the poo poo Moffat did was spelled out in previous works.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001



LOL

:smug:: "Do you still think you'll be at it when you're 50? Don't you feel a bit silly? It IS a kid's program."

Chris Chibnall, in his head: "I'LL SHOW YOU!"

Talk about getting the last laugh. If that lady is still working in tv they should have her interview him today and play that clip. It'd be better than when Michael Grade ate crow!

Also unironically hoping at least one episode this season is "whodunnit on a space liner." :getin:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


spog posted:

I liked how they handled the Doctor being a woman.

I.e. The Doctor happens to be a woman but is still the Doctor.

I feel that if Moffat had written it, he would have handled it with his usual hamfistedness with the point being brought up every 10 mins with a mug to the camera and a crap joke.

Yeah, it was surprisingly low key compared to the promotional stuff.

Fantastic episode! Jodie nails it as the Doctor--I had zero problem believing she was the same person, and she was as many said, very Tennantish. The cinematography and direction were amazing--really like a movie. But despite that, it was very recognizably Doctor Who and not different for the sake of it.

New theme is very cool--reminds me of the 80s themes.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I am actually hoping that they'll be TARDISless for a few eps, or even the whole season. Simply because it gives them an excuse to travel with the Doctor while trying to get home, like we had in the beginning of the show, with Tegan, or even with Lucie Miller. The idea that the companions can't get home and the Doctor is trying to get them home but has no control over where they'll end up this week is so much better than "well I have perfect control over the TARDIS, how about we meet on weekends and have adventures."

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Cleretic posted:

I assume it'll be like the Batgirl season of the Adam West Batman (or maybe seasons, I don't know, that show just exists independent of time). They stopped having cliffhangers and multi-parters with the same enemies but every episode's ending led into the next one.

Or the first few seasons of Doctor Who, Hartnell era.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Edward Mass posted:

Hey! Tomorrow/today for the British marks five years since the Enemy of the World and most of the Web Planet was recovered!

And zero years since Salamander has been trying to take over the world!

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I think you can't go wrong if you just listen to all the 7/Ace/Hex stories in order. It's a good arc.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


The_Doctor posted:

This just gave me the mental image of there being a small Dunkin Donuts stand set into a wall of the TARDIS console room. Behind the counter is a teenage girl called Jessica. She doesn't go on adventures, she's just working this small Dunkin concession. The TARDIS crew barely acknowledge her beyond getting cups of coffee or the occasional donut.

And then there's the one late season episode where out of nowhere she has to save the day because everyone is incapacitated or captured and she has a Crowning Moment of Awesome.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Azhais posted:

They should just lock every newly hired Doctor in the wardrobe room and let them choose their own design

Yeah but then you're just gonna get guys like Capaldi trying to dress up like the Doctors they grew up with. Or wearing the exact same pieces of costume entirely.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShrnQwWrxJE

I love it that the only ones who are unabashedly, unreservedly, 100% in love with their new appearance are 6, 13, and 10 v.2.0. :D

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

Oh gently caress I love this new opening

No middle eight. :colbert:


BioEnchanted posted:

It's almost like a factory-reset Tardis.



CobiWann posted:

I smiled so hard at that moment.

That said, the theme, this episode, and the “new mystery of the Doctor” brought on by the evil towels made this feel a LOT like a McCoy episode. Like early McCoy - Paradise Towers mixed with Delta and the Bannermen.

That tent in the desert was straight outta The Greatest Show In The Galaxy.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


corn in the bible posted:

Yaz has done nothing of note and they had a perfect situation to give her some stuff here yet didn't.

It really brings me down, how much they mess around. They should really just move out.


DoctorWhat posted:

did anyone catch this visual quote?



I think you're right...I didn't line it up with this reference right away, but the shot seemed awfully familiar...

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Azhais posted:

Even without the rampant weapon systems trying to kill them, it's 3 years without water that won't eat you or food of any variety

What would have been cool would have been some Timey Wimey stuff.

"OK...you 3 leave me in this room. I'm going to put myself in a Time Lord Trance and meditate for 3 years. I won't need water or food."

"But what about us?"

"Once 3 years are up, I'll get my TARDIS, go back in time 3 years and rescue you tomorrow."

"How will we eat? What will we drink."

"Don't worry. I'll get you in 3 years. Oh yeah, when you die, make sure you do it where I won't see your bodies. As long as I don't see you, your deaths aren't a fixed event!" :haw:

Then again typing that I realized they basically did the same thing in The Girl Who Waited... :shrug:


Vinylshadow posted:

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/1051806714939486208
That was the most pathetic Bradley Walsh impression I've ever heard, sorry

LOL @ the "Broadchuch" one.

"Mark. Danny Lat i mer. I'm the Doctor."



Mameluke posted:

Though I thought it a bit funny they went out of their way to explain how they can talk and why the aliens look human, but forgot that 13 couldn't have left Pythagoras's shades in her new pockets since her old outfit's were empty last week.

Wait, so you're saying those weren't Audrey Hepburn's/Pythagoras' shades and were instead something she grabbed from the thrift shop? Are you perhaps implying that many times when the Doctor namedrops about some incident with a famous historical person it's not entirely true? Do you mean that possibly:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Rhyno posted:

But man do I not care fo the new TARDIS at all. It's just too much of a departure from what we've traditionally known.

Let me tell you what happened in 1996...

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Rhyno posted:

I mean, I get how much people love that one and I do like it but it still had a ton of visual cues from the classic styling. The new one just feels EVIL.

No what I meant was how much different the 96 console room was from all previous versions.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


The_Doctor posted:

There should have just been an uncountable number of TARDISes there. All sorts of varieties; cartoon ones, bad CGI ones, stuff like the Jade Pagoda, etc.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


I usually read spoilers and I'm pretty sure McGann was a shock to me.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

Basically,"You can't gently caress the Doctor, Rose, but here's a Doctor shaped human who is down to bang."

I've always been torn between calling him Dildodoctor or Doctor Twho

Still want him to come back for a two-parter or something, bitter and older and trying to fight to extend his human life. Tennant would make a great villan and a similar personality foil to Jodie.

"An amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation."--Moffat's final retcon and tick of the boxes, come to full fruition from beyond the showrunner grave.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Here's some other cool things about Big Finish for newbs:

--dozens of old stories are like $5, and every few years they price cut another group
--there are some great gems in the old stories, though some of them are a bit rough production and acting wise as they still are getting their footing, but the quality keeps getting better and better. So if you're put off by some of the older stuff, remember the new stuff is top notch
--there is probably more Doctor Who out there now than most people could consume in a lifetime, which is saying a lot compared with what we had 20 years ago

My recommendation for listening is if you have a commute, listen in the car or on a train. Great way to kill time and focus on the story.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Plavski posted:

Far Beyond The Stars

Far Beyond The Stars was blunt but not every single white person in that episode was a cruel, Snidely Whiplash racist, though apparently every white person in Montgomery was.

I didn't live there then, but I can't believe every interaction every day between blacks and whites was sneering, yelling, and slapping. I understand the need to not show white allies, because they would have been minor exceptions and it takes away from the agency of the blacks who were fighting. But how about showing some of the day to day, soul crushing moments of more "polite" racism, where people were thoughtlessly racist, or thought they were being polite and just following the rules of society. I'm sure a lot of people in that polite culture of the South could be what they thought was kind to blacks, while at the same time keeping them in their place.


DoctorWhat posted:

I really wanted to like this, and I still mostly do, but it lied about the history it focused on. Parks' protest wasn't spur-of-the-moment - it was a carefully-planned, scouted, and organized act of civil disobedience.

Sure this is better than "oh she was a tired old lady who just wanted to sit" like my school books claimed, and included her activism, but it fucks up the act itself and I shudder to think why.

I didn't know it was planned. Even her Wikipedia page, which talks about her prior involvement in the NAACP and the fact that she wasn't just old and tired, very much portrays it as spontaneous. I suppose if it was planned, saying it wasn't that detracts from her as a leader in the Civil Rights Movement, but that also seems to be the narrative she maintained herself.

I do agree with several others here that the idea that changing this one thing was a "Fixed Event" that would enable racism forever, especially when there were already protests, activists, and even other bus boycotts prior to this one. I also find it far fetched that in the 79th century when humans have been pansexual in the face of wanting to be with other humans in a universe of aliens, where humans have been united as a force vs aliens, having an Earth Empire, where humans and Silurians have been united as fellow Earth residents, that there are still purebred whites who don't like dark humans. It's bad enough Ryan and Yaz had to commisserate that while racism is better 50 years later it's still there; it would be dark as hell to say "yeah there's still racism against blacks by whites 6000 years from now."

It seems to be a big retcon from the view of the far future humanity RTD and Moffat showed. It's odd that Chibnall ignores that while he drops in Vortex Manipulators and Stormcages.

Astroman fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Oct 22, 2018

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

RTD's second ever episode had Cassandra in the year 4 billion as a human supremacist who believed anybody who interbred outside of pure human bloodlines was a disgusting savage and beneath her. She was meant to be demonstrably and obviously wrong, just like Krasko was in this episode.

And to me, that is a more believable story. I do believe there will always be people who are supremacist of one group over another; it's the idea that it will always take the same form that stetches credulity for me. Doctor Who has shown that time and time again that humans do eventually stop being discriminatory based on skin color after a long enough time, but that instead other forms of supremacism/specism occur and need to be watched out for.

Krasko would be like there being some guy now who says he's a Hittite add hates those drat Ra worshipping Egyptians.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


marktheando posted:

Yank viewers- how were the accents?

I was catching up on The Last Ship as well, and the incredibly stereotypical Southerners at a down south rich folks fundraiser were far, far more hokey and put on than anything in Rosa. :shrug:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


HD DAD posted:

Honestly I like that a bit better than the “maybe we misunderstood him, and he hates humans in general”. Nah, racism still exists in the far future and this guy is just a massive time-douche.

Why would you be glad to see that black/white racism still exists millennia from now? Isn't that thought actually massively loving depressing?

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Lunatic Sledge posted:

I'm one of the folks that was speculating Time Greaser was talking about humankind en masse, but it was idle speculation

I'm not disappointed it turned out otherwise, my complaints about him as a villain had to do with his acting and writing, not his motivations

I'm also not shocked the Doctor Who future isn't racism free, though I was maybe a little hopeful; I would like to fantasize about a distant era where people can be maybe not be garbage, I understand that's not a realistic, pertinent, or especially interesting story to tell... just a man can dream, if people can travel through space and time in a blue box, maybe someday we as a species can get our heads out of our collective asses

that's not some neo-liberal naivety on my part, most of my family still drops N bombs in casual conversations and I know full well that's never going to change

I just like to dream

Yeah, sorry to thise who think that racism will live forever but I agree with this. I believe there will be a future, probably not in my lifetime, but in the Star Trek far future, where skin color among humans won't matter. It's the future Gene Roddenberry believed in and it's one I want to see.

Wanting to see that doesn't mean you want to ignore real discrimination and repeat the past either. It doesn't mean that you would sit idly by while people discriminate against Mars Born humans or blue skinned aliens from Deneb either.

And I'm not saying anyone here is wrong or trying to force you to change your mind. I'm not trying to deny anyone's feelings on this or shut down discussion. I'm simply stating my opinion and that we disagree.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Jerusalem posted:

Saw a headline today that said,"MOFFAT SAYS NEW DOCTOR WHO LOOKS CHEAP!"

I read the article and it basically says,"I worry that Netflix is pouring so much money into premium television drama nowadays that a show like Doctor Who runs a risk of looking cheap by comparison like it did back in the 80s, and I think given how much money it generates for the BBC it deserves to have a higher production budget than it currently gets."

Despite the misleading headline, it's good to see him fighting for the show. I don't think he's knocking the show as it is, and they are doing an amazing job making it look great. But he of all people knows what the production budget is and he's right, it is a money maker and deserves it's due.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


In Briggs defense, his The Prisoner series is good. It may be that he's in a rut with Who but shines elsewhere. Like Joseph "Misery Porn" Lidster who has written some dire Doctor Who stories but does great as the showrunner of Dark Shadows.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


IN other news:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/these-reality-tv-stars-tangoed-to-the-doctor-who-theme-1830048241

Well it's the worst Cyberman redesign in a long time, but at least they have the Middle Eight! :v:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Maxwell Lord posted:

Yeah historicals can share resources with the Beeb’s period dramas, but I don’t know how much this happens in practice. Rosa was probably quite expensive because I doubt there’s a lot of material there useful for the American South in the 1950s.

Sourcing the 50s/60s American cars alone and renting them cannot have been cheap...



Jerusalem posted:

That said, in my main series run I've only just reached 2010 (about to start 1000 Tiny Wings which I've heard is great) and most of the more modern stuff I've listened to has been their revival specials like The 10th Doctor Adventures/The War Doctor/The War Master/River Song etc where the novelty alone is enough to overwhelm any other issues they might have, so I don't know if the quality of the main range has majorly declined or not.

This is me too. I think I'm somewhere in 2013 to 2015 depending on Doctor in my loose chronological Main Range listen, but for the past couple years have been buying stuff like Jago and Litefoot, War/10/River/Master/Third, Companion Chronicles, Early Adventures, etc. Not to mention Dark Shadows and Blake's Seven, or The Prisoner. I've also been branching into some non-BF drama (which is free) in podcast form with titles like "We're Alive" (zombies) or scifi stuff like Tanis and Wolf 359. There's a lot of audio drama out there.

Main Range does not help itself at $13 a pop for one story when I can spend $20-$30 depending on sales for a box set of 4 stories or $11 for an Early Adventure/Companion Chronicles. It's just more economical. I have a longer commute than ever but money is tighter so I can't justify doing those "Oh, I think I'll just drop $70 this week and get a story or two from each Doc in the Main Range" purchases any more.

Shoot, I wait a couple years more and they'll drop the next 50-100 down to $5 or something anyway. I just noticed today that the first 100 stories are now $2.99. No idea if this is permanent or a weekend sales but there are several I never got from that run and for that price whelp might as well drop $30 and get 10!

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


docbeard posted:

I was a little surprised that when Kevin the Bodyguard started threatening her and her mother with a gun she didn't so much as mention that she was a police officer.

I can't believe no one's mentioned Ryan's shadow animals yet! (There had better be a gif of these I am just saying)

:agreed: on both.

I also have to say letting a giant spider suffocate or the others eat each other/starve is a lot worse than shooting them.

What I did like was that the threat wasn't alien, it was entirely human caused. Harkens back the first three Doctors.

I also thought the "I could have a flat! I could get a sofa! Imagine me, with a sofa!" was very 11th Doctor.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


docbeard posted:



Davros1 posted:
What happened to the spider in Yaz's apartment?


Nadjia posted:
Are you and my daughter seeing each other?

I now want to see cuts every so often to Yaz's family "Meanwhile back at home..." where Yaz's mother is talking to the spider like it's her daughter's actual girlfriend, inviting it to family dinners, etc.

Yaz's Mum: "I just stopped by to drop off this cassarole, I know you must be so lonely since Yaz went on assignment."

Spider: "CHITTTER CHITTER CHITTER"

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


dsub posted:

I understand that but I think it's quite a charitable reading if you don't mind me saying so. That guy was an rear end in a top hat and a scaredy-cat, but a monster? The spiders are literally murdering people. He doesn't get his comeuppance,

Actually so far this is a theme isn't it?

Tim Shaw: zapped back to his home planet

Ilin the Race Guy: swans off, no consequences for being a dick

Krasko: sent to the past or something

President Bigly: goes on with his businesses and presidential campaign

It seems a bit much to assume Chibnall is having every single rear end in a top hat get away with it at the end of each episode without setting something up for later in the season.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Fair Bear Maiden posted:

I feel like I'm the only person who watched Daleks in Manhatthan and didn't think "those are penises!"

Though it was a bad practical effect, yes.

Honestly if you combine a human with a "pure Kaled DNA Dalek" you should just get....a Kaled. :shrug:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Narsham posted:

So you bought the line of bullshit Robertson offered? His company, his decisions, entirely his responsibility that these mutant spiders came into being and then killed people. And his concern is covering it all up, not making certain that similar things aren't happening at his other properties, looking to provide survivor's benefits for the relatives of those the spiders killed, or doing anything much at all that involves ethical behavior or caring about other people.

He's worse than the spiders. They killed because they were hungry and confused and scared. He just wants to cut corners to make as much money as possible and deliberately ignores corrupt practices or "outsources" his responsibilities to others.

Well I take it you're not voting for him then. :colbert:

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Agreed that it was a bit of a filler episode. Just some minor, predictable character arcing for the guest stars and Lessons Learned by all.Gorgeous spaceship interiors though.

For everyone thinking Yaz has been the 4th wheel this season, looks like next week will be the Yazziest Yaz Episode to ever Yaz. :toot:


Teek posted:

In other news, was just looking over some of the various Marvel and Star Wars Hot Toys and thought Doctor Who would be killer in realistic 1:6 scale. Someone like Hot Toys doing a line that features all 14 Doctors would be amazing. Made me wonder if there was something like that already out there. Apparently a company called BIG Chief Studios is doing that very thing!

https://www.bigchiefstudios.co.uk/collectables/doctor-who

Oh, oh no...



"I'm sorry. I'm so, so, sorry."

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Cojawfee posted:

Is "the great Earth hero Avocado Pit" supposed to mean something?

It's a fruit.

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Vinylshadow posted:

Another thinks this baby will grow up to be Krasko.

The timing does kind of work out...

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Cleretic posted:

Eh, it feels a little too clean and stereotypically 'futurey'. That's going to be to the 2010s (and 00s) what the kinda industrial beat-up tech is to the late 70s-80s.

I prefer the new console room, because it's kind of unusual and hard to say 'belongs' to any particular era, including our own. Hell, if I were to make a comparison to anything, it feels like it'd be right at home in Jack Kirby art rather than anything from today.

Yeah, I don't know if I will ever count this console room as among my favorites, but I can't deny it is a fresh take.


Rhyno posted:

God drat it, the 11/12 control room was excellent and all you guys who hate it are jerks.

My all time fav-ravs:

1. 11's first impossible to film in gold/bronze room
2. 11/12
3. Classic Hartnell
4. Secondary Console Room
5. That weird 3 one with the giant roundels that showed up in like one ep

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Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


jivjov posted:

Something I noticed in the TARDIS interior, the tops of the crystal spires seem to move in tandem with the time rotor

So did I, and I hate this with the fury of 1000 suns. :mad:



CommonShore posted:

I liked it a lot - great setting, great story which scales well to the time it has to tell it, and I really like the "fooled you it was a straight historical!" storytelling.

Yeah, like Vincent and the Doctor this is probably the closest we'll ever get to a pure historical and I'm glad to see it. I felt like I was watching real history.

I also appreciated the fact that they avoided the temptation to fall into the Clever Writing Trope of "...and then the brother had a change of heart (or had been in love with her secretly) and married her when his brother died and HE was her grandfather!" :haw:

I thought they were telegraphing that, so having him kill his brother and be unrepentant and Yaz's grandfather being some nobody she met later was a bold choice.

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