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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Gay Nudist Dad posted:

If you watch both over a couple seasons you’ll start to see the future GP riders emerge, which is interesting.

I remember Oliveira and binder fighting Danny Kent for the title :corsair:

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FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

mactheknife posted:

Please, please, you had me at "horny teenagers on bikes"

That's a solid thread title if ever I saw one.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are

Slavvy posted:

I remember Oliveira and binder fighting Danny Kent for the title :corsair:

I remember following Viñales from Moto3 on up :allears:

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Oxley had a decent point in his newest article regarding the Moto2s, the new engine is like when the big bikes went from 800cc back up to 1,000cc, now the riders have torque and it doesn’t force everybody to carry maximum speed through every corner. It’ll prepare riders better for MotoGP and should just flat-out be a better show, too.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

harperdc posted:

and should just flat-out be a better show, too.

Counterpoint: moto3.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

builds character posted:

Counterpoint: moto3.

not the best of the three classes, but better than the old Moto2s were before.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1106110412863479808

https://twitter.com/Asphalt_Rubber/status/1106221371149991937

This is extremely lovely

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Lol

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

harperdc posted:

not the best of the three classes, but better than the old Moto2s were before.

Fair enough. I think it'd be cool if there were a real progression from Moto3 --> Moto2 --> MotoGP and hopefully this will help with that.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Holy poo poo! But also probably good this happened before it kicked off.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
drat, I'm almost hoping it's arson or something else and not a charging units or one of the batteries in one of
the bikes letting go.

Never mind, one of the charging units caught fire and burned everything:
http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2019/03/14/the-fim-enel-motoe-world-cup-will-go-ahead/286860

They plan to continue the series this year with a revised schedule.

Skreemer fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Mar 15, 2019

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Based on fp1/2 results, jray is getting another humbling from Bautista. Seems the v4 is more of a high speed fighter jet than a ballet dancer, so the Kawasaki might be able to make up ground in the tight stuff. Could make it interesting on the European tracks.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.

Slavvy posted:

Based on fp1/2 results, jray is getting another humbling from Bautista. Seems the v4 is more of a high speed fighter jet than a ballet dancer, so the Kawasaki might be able to make up ground in the tight stuff. Could make it interesting on the European tracks.

At least WSBK is getting their wish and J.Rea/Kawasaki won't be easily walking away with the title this year. (at least so far.)

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf
Moto3 rules and doubly so on tracks with really long straights like Qatar, Catalunya, and Mugello where you get slip stream chaos and people going from like 6th to 1st every lap.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

BitcoinRockefeller posted:

Moto3 rules and doubly so on tracks with really long straights like Qatar, Catalunya, and Mugello where you get slip stream chaos and people going from like 6th to 1st every lap.

Part of what made Danny Kent a wanker was his ability to do a Lorenzo-like bolt from the pack within one lap so he couldn't be drafted on the straight, effectively breaking moto3's gameplay.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Skreemer posted:

At least WSBK is getting their wish and J.Rea/Kawasaki won't be easily walking away with the title this year. (at least so far.)

Yeah about that...

1 19 A. BAUTISTA Ducati Panigale V4 R 1'31.912
2 1 J. REA Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'32.341 0.429
3 22 A. LOWES Yamaha YZF R1 1'32.440 0.528
4 11 S. CORTESE Yamaha YZF R1 1'32.608 0.696
5 91 L. HASLAM Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'32.688 0.776
6 66 T. SYKES BMW S1000 RR 1'32.909 0.997
7 33 M. MELANDRI Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.002 1.090
8 50 E. LAVERTY Ducati Panigale V4 R 1'33.037 1.125
9 7 C. DAVIES Ducati Panigale V4 R 1'33.196 1.284
10 60 M. VAN DER MARK Yamaha YZF R1 1'33.243 1.331
11 28 M. REITERBERGER BMW S1000 RR 1'33.257 1.345
12 2 L. CAMIER Honda CBR1000RR 1'33.269 1.357
13 54 T. RAZGATLIOGLU Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'33.466 1.554
14 36 L. MERCADO Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'33.529 1.617
15 81 J. TORRES Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'33.535 1.623
16 21 M. RINALDI Ducati Panigale V4 R 1'33.651 1.739
17 23 R. KIYONARI Honda CBR1000RR 1'33.758 1.846
18 99 T. WAROKORN Kawasaki ZX-10RR 1'33.817 1.905
19 52 A. DELBIANCO Honda CBR1000RR 1'35.596 3.684

Seems the v4 stomps the Kawasaki on the straights but not so flash in the tighter sections. Wonder if this means their bike is now more like their GP bike and they've completely abandoned the corner speed approach of the v-twin machines?

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
I was just about to post the results...

It was a little closer this time, but yeah the Ducati is just a monster on the straights. Trying to remember who said it but reminds me of a quote about cornering technique.

"Get to the corner, have a wreck, get the bike pointed the correct direction, and open the throttle for all your worth." (I know I have the quote all wrong but that was the gist of it.) Kinda true with how well Davies is riding the Ducati this year.

Skreemer fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Mar 16, 2019

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Can't wait for the kicking and screaming when they lose some of that power.

Wasn't it schwantz who said you see god then hit the brakes?

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

The J. Rea show, you say?

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
It was, and it still would be if Bautista wasn't riding the Ducati. Davies doesn't seem to be having the same luck on the new V4,

I'm not sure I'm sold on the qualifying format this year for WSBK.

n8r
Jul 3, 2003

I helped Lowtax become a cyborg and all I got was this lousy avatar
Always funny to see the WSBK regulars getting blown up by a real GP rider.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

All three races had the exact same top six.

Redvenom
Jun 17, 2003
I also owe BunnyX :10Bux:
Just watched Thailand, why do the commentators keep referring to three races in the weekend?

Is superpole now considered a race unto itself? They said something about a 10 lap sprint, but I have to confess I don't pay much attention to WSBK now given how good many of the other classes are.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

There is a 10 lap superpole race on the Sunday which partly determines the grid for race two. The theory being with less laps there's no tire strategy at play so the lesser teams have a chance as they're theoretically on an even footing with the factory guys. Thus far it's hard to judge if it works or not, Bautista's advantage seems big enough that he'd win regardless of laps or format.

Redvenom
Jun 17, 2003
I also owe BunnyX :10Bux:
And that superpole race counts for season points as well as grid position?

I guess at least they're trying something different.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Yeah the top nine get points but in a reduced scale to normal races and their finishing order determines grid position for race two. Below that they start in their original superpole positions. I guess the theory is if you have a poo poo qualifying session or bad race 1, you can try to get into the top nine in the SP race to improve your position and salvage something out of race 2.

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf

mactheknife
Jul 20, 2004

THE JOLLY CANDY-LIKE BUTTON
Phwoar what a race that was.

harperdc
Jul 24, 2007

Ducati’s swing-arm aero device has been ruled legal, and Dovi’s race win confirmed, as the appeal is rejected by the FIM.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Long live the spoon, now it's a race to see who can drive the biggest truck through the loophole before the season ends and they change the rules.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
Well now that the "device" has been made public and ruled legal, all the other factories are going to have to catch up and add their own.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
I bet that thing doesn't actually do anything. Ducati has had all kinds of elaborate aero poo poo for a few years now, way beyond any other team, and it doesn't seem to be winning them championships or convincing the opposing team designers to copy it. Italians just like things that look like they do things

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

I bet that thing doesn't actually do anything. Ducati has had all kinds of elaborate aero poo poo for a few years now, way beyond any other team, and it doesn't seem to be winning them championships or convincing the opposing team designers to copy it. Italians just like things that look like they do things

Subtract Marquez' results and you find Ducati have the best bike by a fair margin. They are literally spending millions to close the gap between Marquez and the normal people they're able to hire.

builds character
Jan 16, 2008

Keep at it.

Slavvy posted:

Subtract Marquez' results and you find Ducati have the best bike by a fair margin. They are literally spending millions to close the gap between Marquez and the normal people they're able to hire.

Yeah, I feel like Marquez is the counterpoint to rev’s post. Ducati was even able to make Lorenzo good again!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I'd add that the other designers absolutely copied what Ducati have done, first with the wings (which were threatening enough to Honda that they lobbied to change the rules to the current nonsense), then with the neutered wings when they figured out how to regain the lost efficiency. Ducati were also the first with a contra-rotating crankshaft and the first with a big-bang firing order on a four stroke v4, stuff which is the norm across the grid now.

Literally the only thing they've done wrong in the last two seasons is mismanaging the poo poo out of their riders, but the rider still makes the most difference in the class and until something changes to make MM's skillset obsolete, or some new guy comes along who can do the same thing, Honda will continue to have the only truly decisive advantage.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
It's a busy busy weekend.
winner predictions:
MotoGP: Marc Marquez
WorldSBK: Bautista
WRC: Seb Ogier

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Miller starting to embarrass petrucci already.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

https://twitter.com/MotoGP/status/1111706374818418688

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

I bet that thing doesn't actually do anything.

Skreemer
Jan 28, 2006
I like blue.
Satellite team time to shine?

Miller/Crutchlow/Quartararo

pre:
1   4   Andrea DOVIZIOSO  ITA  Mission Winnow Ducati  331.2 1'39.181  
2   43  Jack MILLER       AUS  Pramac Racing          332.5 1'39.190  0.009 / 0.009
3   12  Maverick VIÑALES  SPA  Monster Energy Yamaha  328.5 1'39.345  0.164 / 0.155
4   35  Cal CRUTCHLOW     GBR  LCR Honda CASTROL      334.4 1'39.346  0.165 / 0.001
5   20  Fabio QUARTARARO  FRA  Petronas Yamaha SRT    325.7 1'39.357  0.176 / 0.011
6   46  Valentino ROSSI   ITA  Monster Energy Yamaha  328.6 1'39.441  0.260 / 0.084
7   42  Alex RINS         SPA  Team SUZUKI ECSTAR     329.5 1'39.451  0.270 / 0.010
8   93  Marc MARQUEZ      SPA  Repsol Honda Team      333.6 1'39.497  0.316 / 0.046
9   21  Franco MORBIDELLI ITA  Petronas Yamaha SRT    327.0 1'39.503  0.322 / 0.006
10  30  Takaaki NAKAGAMI  JPN  LCR Honda IDEMITSU     328.3 1'39.629  0.448 / 0.126
11  29  Andrea IANNONE    ITA  Aprilia Gresini        327.1 1'39.654  0.473 / 0.025
12  41  Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA  Aprilia Gresini        332.4 1'39.697  0.516 / 0.043
13  9   Danilo PETRUCCI   ITA  Mission Winnow Ducati  329.7 1'39.740  0.559 / 0.043
14  63  Francesco BAGNAIA ITA  Pramac Racing Ducati   329.2 1'39.799  0.618 / 0.059
15  36  Joan MIR          SPA  Team SUZUKI ECSTAR     330.1 1'39.946  0.765 / 0.147
16  44  Pol ESPARGARO     SPA  Red Bull KTM Factory   331.3 1'39.951  0.770 / 0.005
17  5   Johann ZARCO      FRA  Red Bull KTM Factory   326.3 1'39.956  0.775 / 0.005
18  17  Karel ABRAHAM     CZE  Reale Avintia Racing   330.7 1'39.995  0.814 / 0.039
19  88  Miguel OLIVEIRA   POR  Red Bull KTM Tech 3    324.4 1'40.006  0.825 / 0.011
20  53  Tito RABAT        SPA  Reale Avintia Racing   326.9 1'40.110  0.929 / 0.104
21  99  Jorge LORENZO     SPA  Repsol Honda Team      329.8 1'40.159  0.978 / 0.049
22  55  Hafizh SYAHRIN    MAL  Red Bull KTM Tech 3    322.7 1'40.752  1.571 / 0.593

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harperdc
Jul 24, 2007


that's the hole shot device but yeah I don't think every other works company would be trying to ban a device that "does nothing," especially one that's purported to add downforce directly onto the swing arm.

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