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The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

There is a new documentary I havent seen about Michael Jackson raping and torturing children. People say there are credible men telling similar horror stories and they deserve to listened to, while others question their honesty and motives.

Other people say he was maybe the most powerful person of color in the world for a time and assassination attempts on character and otherwise are par for that course.

Anyway I know yall have thoughts and feelings on this topic of celebrity sex crime

I kinda feel like theres knly two reasons to build a 100milliom dollar playground for kids and they are 1) to make kids happy 2) to make kids happy so its easier to rape them but what do know about real estate development?

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SilvergunSuperman
Aug 7, 2010

I'm not sure what to think, my opinion flip flops around more than a greased up 7 year old.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

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He didn’t touch any kids OP

https://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/22/gq-article-was-michael-jackson-framed/

Note that this article was originally published by GQ in 1994

man nurse
Feb 18, 2014


This is the second bad thread on a topic that deserves some attention.

The controversy is that the people in the doc who are accusing him previously testified in court that he never did anything like that. Of course, if you watch the doc, the reasoning is that they were basically conditioned from a young age to think that it was good and okay, and also to lie about it. It's pretty hosed up stuff.

It's also crazy hearing about how this huge celebrity basically ingratiated himself into these family's lives and ended up tearing them apart.

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

o/c this thread is "bad"

big nipples big life
May 12, 2014

I think it was pretty clear long before that documentary that the dude was a pedo.

Dave Concepcion
Mar 19, 2012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9lRN_f9bNw

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

on the one hand he was violently tortured and humiliated as a child

on the other hand not everyone that happens to repeats the cycle

either way James L. Brooks isnt gonna let us watch MJ's episode of the simpsons anymore

Snow Cone Capone
Jul 31, 2003



that's not norm, norm fat

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

man nurse posted:

It's also crazy hearing about how this huge celebrity basically ingratiated himself into these family's lives and ended up tearing them apart.

They all sought him out and begged for his attention or for him to pay attention to their child.

Documentary doesn't actually put forward evidence it plays on emotions and builds a narrative of grooming [sic] for behavior that was typical of Michael Jackson towards people of all ages. Robson's mother reached out to MJ repeatedly when he stopped calling and writing her son.

Corey Feldman says MJ didn't touch any kids and that's extremely good enough for me.

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



Some choice bits from when Chandler tried to sue Michael Jackson a second time in 1996.

https://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/settlement-not-enough/

quote:

The former dentist to the stars is back in court. And this time he’s not just suing Jackson. Chandler also has named the pop music star’s ex-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, the Sony Music Corp., the Walt Disney Co. and some 300 unnamed persons as co-conspirators.

Aided and abetted by this cast of characters, Jackson violated the terms of their confidential 1994 agreement, Chandler says. How? By denying – in words and song – that he sexually abused the young boy. He did so last year during an interview on ABC with Diane Sawyer, Chandler charges, and again in his latest album.


And for that Jackson must pay.

How much? Chandler, who between root canals co-wrote the screenplay for the movie ‘Robin Hood: Men in Tights’, (IMDb) wants at least $60 million to settle his latest complaint against the pop music king. He also wants an album. Not a copy of HIStory, the Jackson album he cites in his suit. Chandler wants a court order “to allow him to publish and cause to be distributed to the public for sale” his own musical composition – something he calls “EVANstory.” And, yes, he wants to be taken seriously. Hmmmm.

[...]

When Chandler and Jackson reached their out-of-court settlement, lawsuit lawyers for both men announced the deal in a joint, one-page statement. Twice in that document Jackson asserted his innocence. Now, two years later, Chandler claims such a denial is a violation of the agreement.

Some of these denials, Chandler contends, are buried in the lyrics of several of the songs on Jackson’s HIStory album. What is he talking about? Well, in one song Jackson sings: “Somebody’s out, somebody’s out to use me, they really wanna use me, they falsely accused me.”

Chandler believes these words are targeted at him. Maybe. Maybe not. In recent years Jackson has been dragged into civil court by a Denver songwriter who accused him of stealing his lyrics and a woman who said he fathered her child. Maybe he was talking about them. Or maybe – like most songwriters – he wasn’t talking about anyone in particular.

And remember the recent controversy over Jackson’s use of terms like “Jew me, sue me” and “*#*# me, don’t you black and white me” in a song on the HIStory album? Well, Chandler, who is Jewish, suggests in his lawsuit that they were aimed directly at him. Now he wants a chance to fire back with his own repertoire of songs.


Also let’s not forget that the woman that sued Michael Jackson in 2005 was severely, and I mean SEVERELY, mentally ill

quote:

Janet Arvizo

Gavin and Star's mother, Janet, was the star witness.[9] The Guardian described her as eccentric, "talking over lawyers, extemporising, and turning dramatically during cross-examination by Mr Jackson's lawyer to address the jurors ... Her appearance was a disaster for the prosecution, but if not called by the prosecution, she would have been called by the defence to even worse effect."[9] According to the BBC, Janet Arvizo was an "explosive"[32] witness who gave a "combative and rambling" testimony,[28] made erratic outbursts, rarely gave straight answers, and used the same phrases repeatedly.[32] The jurors said she would "stare down at them" and snap her fingers at them.[36]

The defense sought to portray Janet as untrustworthy, with a history of perjury and fraud. She admitted to having lied under oath in an earlier lawsuit.[28] The prosecution planned to have an expert on domestic violence testify that she may have lied because she had been beaten by her ex-husband, but the judge did not allow it, saying it would be irrelevant.[28] The defense also presented evidence of Janet having committed welfare fraud, for which she was later convicted.[37]

I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 8, 2019

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

He had a bunch of weird though legal books and magazines that were clearly for pedophiles and he slept with kids and yet it is amazing how many people pass him off as eccentric. He also kept vaseline in like every room which is kind of hard to relate to childhood insecurities of growing up intye Jackson 5.

Lemon
May 22, 2003

Mulaney Power Move posted:

He also kept vaseline in like every room

I don't care if it's true or not, this is now my go to fact about MJ

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

in the documentary one of the victims, james safechuck, talks about how he didn't want to testify in 2005 and michael jackson's lawyers blackmailed him into doing so. also he is CLEARLY extremely damaged, so...

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

Mulaney Power Move posted:

He had a bunch of weird though legal books and magazines that were clearly for pedophiles and he slept with kids and yet it is amazing how many people pass him off as eccentric. He also kept vaseline in like every room which is kind of hard to relate to childhood insecurities of growing up intye Jackson 5.

what if those baywatch lifeguards over at the santa barbra sherifs department fabricated that widely available yet still incredibly sparse evidence?

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Mulaney Power Move posted:

He had a bunch of weird though legal books and magazines that were clearly for pedophiles and he slept with kids and yet it is amazing how many people pass him off as eccentric. He also kept vaseline in like every room which is kind of hard to relate to childhood insecurities of growing up intye Jackson 5.

His lips always did look chapped.

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


I have fond memories of that Lisa birthday episode in which MJ voiced a character so I'm bummed it's never going to be aired or available for streaming ever again.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
michael jackson has been dead for 10 years. never too late to try to get money from him though

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

The Saucer Hovers posted:

what if those baywatch lifeguards over at the santa barbra sherifs department fabricated that widely available yet still incredibly sparse evidence?

He could be the victim of a wide ranging conspiracy and he just slept with all those little boys because he never had a childhood, sure.

On a funnier note Joe Rogan suggested he couldnt molest because he was castrated.

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004

Mulaney Power Move posted:

He also kept vaseline in like every room which is kind of hard to relate to childhood insecurities of growing up intye Jackson 5.

Why do people still perpetuate the idea that Vaseline is in any way suitable as a personal lubricant?

Cock Sucker
Nov 14, 2018
I think it'd be more interesting if they got all the parents that let their kids get hosed by MJ / gymnast daughters fingerbanged in the rear end in a top hat right in front of them by creepy doctor all in the same room and did a documentary on wtf is wrong with these people.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

I wonder if people would defend him less if he was Billy Ray Cyrus or some other less appealing musician. What if he was just a little league coach taking kids home for sleepovers?

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

gary oldmans diary posted:

michael jackson has been dead for 10 years. never too late to try to get money from him though

When his estate starts hemorrhaging money Sony will be able to buy back his catalog and the 10% EMI share.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Negrostrike posted:

I have fond memories of that Lisa birthday episode in which MJ voiced a character so I'm bummed it's never going to be aired or available for streaming ever again.
In 2019, the internet has all the tv shows on it for free - no one has the power to take them away

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Dr. Gojo Shioji posted:

Why do people still perpetuate the idea that Vaseline is in any way suitable as a personal lubricant?

He was really weird so who knows what he was doing with all that vaseline. It could have been for his skin problems.

hevnz 2 murgatroyd
Apr 13, 2018

by Smythe
MJ called me on his deathbed and told me that he raped all those kids and there was nothing I could do about it and I was like "ok?" :confused:

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

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Mulaney Power Move posted:

I wonder if people would defend him less if he was Billy Ray Cyrus or some other less appealing musician. What if he was just a little league coach taking kids home for sleepovers?

People would defend him less if he actually did molest any kids.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Mulaney Power Move posted:

I wonder if people would defend him less if he was Billy Ray Cyrus or some other less appealing musician. What if he was just a little league coach taking kids home for sleepovers?

It has nothing to do with being appealing. He was ghoulish as gently caress, and I imagine far worse looking in person. It's just that he was richer than you can imagine.

Remember all the "money problems" he had? The fucker made 400 million last year and he's been dead 10 years.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
here's how to keep enjoying Off The Wall & Thriller: think about Quincy Jones instead of MJ

the Q is an all-right dude, and was clearly a big part of Jackson's best hits (plus about a million other great albums). ignore the weirdo singing on them.

a mysterious cloak
Apr 5, 2003

Leave me alone, dad, I'm with my friends!


Mulaney Power Move posted:

He was really weird so who knows what he was doing with all that vaseline. It could have been for his skin problems.

He had to sleep on vinyl sheets so he wouldn't lose any precious moisture to cotton sheets

E: they also didn't absorb the inevitable blood, mucous, and tears during his fingerblasting rampage

Dr. Gojo Shioji
Apr 22, 2004

a mysterious cloak posted:

He had to sleep on vinyl sheets so he wouldn't lose any precious moisture to cotton sheets

Was Michael Jackson trying to start World War III?

Bloodfart McCoy
Jul 20, 2007

That's a high quality avatar right there.
Michael was clearly one of the weirdest, richest people ever. That being said. I wouldn’t be surprised if he did or didn’t do it. Like it makes sense either way.

If I had to put money on it... I’d say he abused those kids. Documentary was very sad and I felt bad for everyone involved.

Big Dick Cheney
Mar 30, 2007
Those fax messages were all I needed to see. Lol at "no evidence"

The Saucer Hovers
May 16, 2005

post the faxes so I.M. Gei can debunk them

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
The fact that MJ had pornography at his house tells me he had a libido. The fact that he never once used his immense wealth and power to attract women or men tells me he's not into adults. That tells me he used the pornography to groom kids. Is this circular reasoning? It makes sense to me.

Seven Hundred Bee
Nov 1, 2006

like, james safechuck was able to show the specific jewelry michael jackson gave him in exchange for sexual favors. so...

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

gary oldmans diary posted:

michael jackson has been dead for 10 years. never too late to try to get money from him though

Capitalism will haul him out to perform for profit as a hologram.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Big Dick Cheney posted:

Those fax messages were all I needed to see. Lol at "no evidence"

Sure he was clearly in love with a child but that doesnt mean he did anything wrong when they had sleepovers. Look, his dad was very mean to him and he was just a child trapped in child molesting adult's body.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

"That nigga have us Billy Jean/ You say he touched those kids?"
- a line that has aged really well

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Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.

Seven Hundred Bee posted:

like, james safechuck was able to show the specific jewelry michael jackson gave him in exchange for sexual favors. so...
I'm not saying he's lying, but that could easily be bullshit. I'm interested in the faxes. What did they say?

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