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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014




Frankenstyle posted:

I dunno, Lamplighter was another kinda weak link this season. He willingly(?) goes from being a super rock star to working as an orderly / cremation murder machine who has been spiraling toward suicide out of guilt while willingly killing people for money. And all that when Vought could have just quietly disappeared him and built an actual crematorium for the lab where the cell doors are only super power proof from the inside somehow. "I'm bad. I'm reluctantly bad. I'm too sad to live" is a weird character arc for ten minutes of screen time. It just felt like they found a plot line and awkwardly jammed him in to without much thought and I don't see why they didn't just cut the character from the show because nothing about his bits are necessary or even make sense.

I mean the show is fun as a kooky experiment into what it'd be like if they redid the old 67 Batman show in the same campy style, and then every episode ended with a hard R battle against GWAR. I see where it's almost well written, but then it trips over it's own feet, and it bugs the poo poo out of me that it tosses out the one interesting thing from the comics that should have been the reason for selling the show to the network in the first place.

Turning the most likeable side character into a 3rd graders first dick joke was a pretty weird choice too.

My thoughts exactly. I also don't get keeping Lamplighter in if you aren't going to use him as a vehicle to tell the backstory of the previous war between the Seven and Mallory/The Boys. I was pretty excited when I saw he'd been cast as Lamplighter thinking they'd keep the original story.

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Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Open Source Idiom posted:

the "I'm the cuck" stuff left a bad taste in my mouth.

lol I hope this was intentional

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



Iím mad that Lamplighter comes and goes (and dies) without getting to see what his blackmail photos are. He is obviously completely obsessed with sex, pornography, and kink stuff, but what could he be caught doing that is so bad he was willing to kill a CIA director over it?

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I wish I had a son to kick me in the nuts.




The superhero cuckold porn gag got a sensible chuckle out of me.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006



Another Bill posted:

The superhero cuckold porn gag got a sensible chuckle out of me.

The only good part of the scene was the movie titles

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007



Someone impersonated the guy who impersonates homelander for the in universe porn parody on reddit for an AMA and he got annoyed and showed up to do one himself just to denounce the fake

The internet is hilarious sometimes

cosmin
Aug 29, 2008


etalian posted:

The only good part of the scene was the movie titles

A bit over the top but that scene fits the way the series tries to stay in sync with internet trends


edit: it just may age really badly as all things that reference memes. Then again, they might be aware of it as they had We didnít start the fire on the soundtrack.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

just realized Erin Moriarty was in True Detective.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We shoulde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?



Nap Ghost

The Lamplighter thing was just weird to me because he straight up told Mallory that killing him would be doing him a favor as though he's been suicidally guilty since he killed her grandkids and he could've self-immolated anytime he wanted to but didn't, and then a couple days later when Hughie convinces him that he could do something useful and heroic to make his father proud he goes along with it and then kills himself for no reason. Rescuing Starlight and her mom and then testifying against Vought could have been a fresh start for him and could have set him on the path to do more good things (that wouldn't necessarily redeem him but would at least make his father proud) but then he just suddenly works up the courage to piss it all away and kill himself out of nowhere? K?

My guess is that the writers didn't want The Boys to start amassing supe allies beyond Kimiko so they had to find a way to kill him off, although they could've just had him get his head popped during the hearing too.

The Klowner
Apr 20, 2019

I see past the sham that is society, and I'm into some incredibly fucked up shit.

uber_stoat posted:

just realized Erin Moriarty was in True Detective.



Oh poo poo!

etalian
Mar 20, 2006



Orange Carlisle posted:

Someone impersonated the guy who impersonates homelander for the in universe porn parody on reddit for an AMA and he got annoyed and showed up to do one himself just to denounce the fake

The internet is hilarious sometimes

Lol

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012


On the subject of differences from the comics, I really like how, in the comics, Butcher was a fairly enigmatic character; always a step ahead of Hughie, usually putting on a facade, several important characters have a story that they exposit about him that comes to different but equally wrong conclusions on why he does what he does. You dont really get a full grasp on the character until the end.

Show Butcher by comparison feels very "figured out" at this point. If Karl Urban weren't such an extremely charming and talented actor, I feel like I'd be more disappointed about that.

Some of the Sheep
May 25, 2005
POSSIBLY IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF I ASKED FOR A LIST OF THE HARMLESS CREATURES OF THE AFORESAID CONTINENT?

Bust Rodd posted:

Iím mad that Lamplighter comes and goes (and dies) without getting to see what his blackmail photos are. He is obviously completely obsessed with sex, pornography, and kink stuff, but what could he be caught doing that is so bad he was willing to kill a CIA director over it?

The clue to what this content is comes from headpopper: "I'm fairly sure he's hosed half the Sacred Heart cheerleading squad"

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Elephant Ambush posted:

The Lamplighter thing was just weird to me because he straight up told Mallory that killing him would be doing him a favor as though he's been suicidally guilty since he killed her grandkids and he could've self-immolated anytime he wanted to but didn't, and then a couple days later when Hughie convinces him that he could do something useful and heroic to make his father proud he goes along with it and then kills himself for no reason. Rescuing Starlight and her mom and then testifying against Vought could have been a fresh start for him and could have set him on the path to do more good things (that wouldn't necessarily redeem him but would at least make his father proud) but then he just suddenly works up the courage to piss it all away and kill himself out of nowhere? K?

Lamplighter says right before he burns himself that he wanted to do it in front of his statue. I think that his suicide plan only crystallised in his mind when Hughie reminded him that he could still get into the Tower and he saw a chance to make a grand gesture.

As for making his father proud: we already know that he thinks he's irredeemable. Nothing he did could make his father proud of him. It was just what he aspired to do when he became a superhero.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


Elephant Ambush posted:

The Lamplighter thing was just weird to me because he straight up told Mallory that killing him would be doing him a favor as though he's been suicidally guilty since he killed her grandkids and he could've self-immolated anytime he wanted to but didn't, and then a couple days later when Hughie convinces him that he could do something useful and heroic to make his father proud he goes along with it and then kills himself for no reason. Rescuing Starlight and her mom and then testifying against Vought could have been a fresh start for him and could have set him on the path to do more good things (that wouldn't necessarily redeem him but would at least make his father proud) but then he just suddenly works up the courage to piss it all away and kill himself out of nowhere? K?

My guess is that the writers didn't want The Boys to start amassing supe allies beyond Kimiko so they had to find a way to kill him off, although they could've just had him get his head popped during the hearing too.
Genuinely suicidal people aren't known for following logic that appears super rational to others. They didn't realize how over the edge he was, and finding himself back in that room just triggered something in him and he seemed to feel it would make a statement. I didn't think there was anything "wrong" with that somehow making sense to him in that moment.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We shoulde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?



Nap Ghost

Jedit posted:

Lamplighter says right before he burns himself that he wanted to do it in front of his statue. I think that his suicide plan only crystallised in his mind when Hughie reminded him that he could still get into the Tower and he saw a chance to make a grand gesture.

As for making his father proud: we already know that he thinks he's irredeemable. Nothing he did could make his father proud of him. It was just what he aspired to do when he became a superhero.


Martman posted:

Genuinely suicidal people aren't known for following logic that appears super rational to others. They didn't realize how over the edge he was, and finding himself back in that room just triggered something in him and he seemed to feel it would make a statement. I didn't think there was anything "wrong" with that somehow making sense to him in that moment.

Fair!

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



https://twitter.com/antonystarr/sta...6024644608?s=21

also let him be in it as a surfer bro who avoids being eaten and swears a lot.

Antony Starr being a tiny pooka-shell dude-bro IRL is so funny to me. Like a not evil Tom Cruise

jabby
Oct 27, 2010



Elephant Ambush posted:

The Lamplighter thing was just weird to me because he straight up told Mallory that killing him would be doing him a favor as though he's been suicidally guilty since he killed her grandkids and he could've self-immolated anytime he wanted to but didn't, and then a couple days later when Hughie convinces him that he could do something useful and heroic to make his father proud he goes along with it and then kills himself for no reason. Rescuing Starlight and her mom and then testifying against Vought could have been a fresh start for him and could have set him on the path to do more good things (that wouldn't necessarily redeem him but would at least make his father proud) but then he just suddenly works up the courage to piss it all away and kill himself out of nowhere? K?

My guess is that the writers didn't want The Boys to start amassing supe allies beyond Kimiko so they had to find a way to kill him off, although they could've just had him get his head popped during the hearing too.

I took Lamplighter to just be a really pathetic character (as in a pathetic person, not pathetically written).

I do think he feels guilty about killing Mallory's kids, but not so guilty that he's being entirely honest when he says shooting him would be doing him a favour. In reality I think he's managed to pass a lot of the guilt for the kids onto Frenchie, or just suppress it, and that's how he's been working for Vought killing who-knows-how-many innocent people since then. I don't think he goes with They Boys out of any huge desire for redemption, I think it's either because he just wants to matter again or he thinks Vought are going to find out what he did and kill him.

I think what really breaks him is when it sinks in all he can expect now is being put in front of a congressional hearing, and almost certainly being assassinated by Vought. His life was already poo poo, now it's poo poo and about to be over. So he decides to blow off his chance to actually help someone and achieve redemption in favour of a flashy but easy gesture. That's why he's disappointed that they got rid of his statue. He's not suicidal because he's a killer that deserves to die, he's suicidal because he lost his status, wealth and power and can never get it back.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Crook County


I would totally watch Antony Starr in a Carnosaur remake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0wP4rP6R70

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007


Switchblade Switcharoo

Or maybe Velocipastor 2

Rando
Mar 11, 2004



Lamplighter planned on killing himself the whole time. It wasn't a spur-of-the-moment thing. He even talks about the plan he had to do it in front of the statue.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006



Rando posted:

Lamplighter planned on killing himself the whole time. It wasn't a spur-of-the-moment thing. He even talks about the plan he had to do it in front of the statue.

Yeah the was his real motivation with going along the suicide mission.

LegoMan
Mar 17, 2002

ting ting ting


College Slice

uber_stoat posted:

just realized Erin Moriarty was in True Detective.



And Jessica Jones season 1

Captain Monkey
Aug 23, 2007



Why do people keep saying Starr is tiny, dudeís like 5í11Ē and while he doesnít have a literal Superman physique, heís not exactly scrawny.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


Grimey Drawer

Well, when we see him in the show, he's this 6' 4" giant built guy, and when you see him just as him, he's this normal sized dude who's average height.

He's tiny compared to how we usually see him.

cosmin
Aug 29, 2008


don't want to derail this thread but I'm cautious about going into the Comics subforum (is there one?)

Now that I kind of finished The Boys and I found a good source for comics, is there anything else I should check out to clean my eyes and my taste buds after all this ennis-ness? Adult oriented, stand-alone arcs, no golden age superheroes, already read Transmetropolitan, The Losers, 99 Bullets, Preacher(didn't finish it), TWD but I think I missed Miller's Batman, never read any Daredevil (there was a good arc I think?), Punisher (should I start Ennis' Punisher?) etc

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


Grimey Drawer

Hitman is pretty great. I'm about 80% sure it's available on dc universe to read.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Hitman is pretty great. I'm about 80% sure it's available on dc universe to read.

Seconding Hitman, and yes, you should at least read The Slavers arc of Punisher Max.

If you're looking for cleansing from Ennis style stuff in your comics, and if you don't mind a very literary turn, I cannot recommend Mike Carey highly enough. Lucifer (v1) and The Unwritten are his magnum opuses. If you want something a bit lighter, then The Wicked and the Divine is a pro read, as is Velvet. The former is a pop art look at young people who become as gods, but at the price that "better to burn out than fade away" is not a choice; the latter is spy stories set in the late 60s with the high concept of "James Bond, but he's a front and Miss Moneypenny is the real super-spy".

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

TURDS BOD



SaGa is the best comic book series of the decade and I donít think itís particularly close.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

One Potato to rule them all,
One Potato to find them,
One Potato to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.





Bread Liar

Sex and Genital alignment?

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014


Bust Rodd posted:

SaGa is the best comic book series of the decade and I don’t think it’s particularly close.

It also went on a one year hiatus 27 months ago.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012

I came here to laugh at you





I'm halfway through season two and I'm laughing because otherwise the extended metaphor of Stormfront loving Homelander would be too close to home.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Crook County

cosmin posted:

don't want to derail this thread but I'm cautious about going into the Comics subforum (is there one?)

Now that I kind of finished The Boys and I found a good source for comics, is there anything else I should check out to clean my eyes and my taste buds after all this ennis-ness? Adult oriented, stand-alone arcs, no golden age superheroes, already read Transmetropolitan, The Losers, 99 Bullets, Preacher(didn't finish it), TWD but I think I missed Miller's Batman, never read any Daredevil (there was a good arc I think?), Punisher (should I start Ennis' Punisher?) etc

David Laphamís Stray Bullets is what youíre looking for.

Bedshaped
Apr 1, 2010




Soiled Meat

Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/antonystarr/sta...6024644608?s=21

also let him be in it as a surfer bro who avoids being eaten and swears a lot.

Antony Starr being a tiny pooka-shell dude-bro IRL is so funny to me. Like a not evil Tom Cruise

The Monkey's paw curls, the Dinosaurs all have feathers.

As Nero Danced
Sep 3, 2009

Alright, let's do this


Jurassic Galaxy had no kids in it.

It also had no talent, money, reason for existence...

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010




the scene of Bill threatening whole families over tea and what he does with his face and eyes is just... so dark and so loving good. But somehow Homelander is also more scary still? Like poo poo these two are having so much fun and are so good at this.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas.


cosmin posted:

don't want to derail this thread but I'm cautious about going into the Comics subforum (is there one?)

Now that I kind of finished The Boys and I found a good source for comics, is there anything else I should check out to clean my eyes and my taste buds after all this ennis-ness? Adult oriented, stand-alone arcs, no golden age superheroes, already read Transmetropolitan, The Losers, 99 Bullets, Preacher(didn't finish it), TWD but I think I missed Miller's Batman, never read any Daredevil (there was a good arc I think?), Punisher (should I start Ennis' Punisher?) etc

BSS is very good and friendly and has a pretty active recommendations thread!

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

get their rear end, Homelander!

https://twitter.com/antonystarr/sta...1970880515?s=20
https://twitter.com/LizardRumsfeld/...9199448064?s=20

uber_stoat fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 21, 2020

LegoMan
Mar 17, 2002

ting ting ting


College Slice

cosmin posted:

don't want to derail this thread but I'm cautious about going into the Comics subforum (is there one?)

Now that I kind of finished The Boys and I found a good source for comics, is there anything else I should check out to clean my eyes and my taste buds after all this ennis-ness? Adult oriented, stand-alone arcs, no golden age superheroes, already read Transmetropolitan, The Losers, 99 Bullets, Preacher(didn't finish it), TWD but I think I missed Miller's Batman, never read any Daredevil (there was a good arc I think?), Punisher (should I start Ennis' Punisher?) etc

I think Immortal Hulk covers all those. It doesn't seem to have any tie-ins that are necessary, adult oriented. Incredible art, like super good body horror type stuff.

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Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005



cosmin posted:

don't want to derail this thread but I'm cautious about going into the Comics subforum (is there one?)

Now that I kind of finished The Boys and I found a good source for comics, is there anything else I should check out to clean my eyes and my taste buds after all this ennis-ness? Adult oriented, stand-alone arcs, no golden age superheroes, already read Transmetropolitan, The Losers, 99 Bullets, Preacher(didn't finish it), TWD but I think I missed Miller's Batman, never read any Daredevil (there was a good arc I think?), Punisher (should I start Ennis' Punisher?) etc

One of the better super hero deconstruction books following the hosed up lives of their sidekicks was Brat Pack. It's pretty dark and bleak, but it doesn't have that exploitative edge-lord garishness of stuff like The Boys. It's from '91 and feels kind of dated a bit in the dialog department, but it's worth the time.

*Also I had no clue those spin-off mini runs of The Boys existed until this thread, and I wish I still didn't. If anyone is picking up the comic stick to the OG 72 issue series because holy poo poo that stuff is terrible.

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