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lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Like gravity acting on a cannonball, all threads inevitably revert back to food chat.

So, when society breaks down as climate change gets worse, and the rich start gunning down everyone else- is human meat a nutritionally balanced diet? I mean, it stands to reason, but maybe you’d still need a multivitamin?

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lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

While technically full of all the nutrients you need per definition, do remember that some vitamins et al doesn't survive the cooking process, and breaks down or transmutes by the time it's in your stomach. Moreover, this foodstuff is also per definition full of the very select disease vectors that are active on humans.
A lot of the things that make us sick are only kept in check by our (alive) immune systems and the fact that our cells can repair damage. It's a bad idea to ingest a bunch of material where bad stuff has had time to accumulate.
Bioaccumulation of heavy metals and other material is another factor to consider, especially as effects of such poisoning might be directly related to why this nutritional material is now in your possession. Leaded gasoline, as an example, has as we've seen been more affectatious in certain cohorts.

In conclusion: Cannibalism has the most issues of any food source. You're hosed if you cook it, you're hosed if you don't, boomers are full of lead anyway (associated brain damage jokingly being responsible for why you want to eat them in the first place), and billionaires, as the vessels of avarice they are, are full of every poison known to history - they are kept alive through science where people of lesser means would have succumbed already, for lack of organ transplants etc. Its healthier to keep eating kale.

On the other hand: no one lives forever anyway, and revenge is the most savory spice for any dish.
I say go for it.

Hmmmm, drat good points. Leaded gas is the gift that keeps on giving. :hmmyes:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pontius Pilate posted:

I’m sure most people in this thread are aware, but, just in case, the same guy who invented leaded gasoline also invented CFCs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.

He also created a Rude Goldberg dark comedy suicide machine! “In 1940, at the age of 51, Midgley contracted poliomyelitis, which left him severely disabled. He devised an elaborate system of ropes and pulleys to lift himself out of bed. In 1944, he became entangled in the device and died of strangulation.”

A strong contender for Which One Person Would You Kill If You Could Time Travel?

He also drank leaded gas on stage to prove how safe it was, then spent months getting secret chelation therapy in Europe for the terrible lead poisoning he gave himself. A huge greedy piece of poo poo on every level.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ChubbyChecker posted:

Pure cannibal diet would get you scurvy since humans lack Vitamin C.

Well poo poo, that's actually a thing. Kinda cool in the context of the Franklin Expedition, they basically had no way to replenish their Vitamin C beyond a certain point.

Lessons learned: if you're gonna be a cannibal, bring some OJ or a lemon marinade.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gnoman posted:

A small country between two large ones rarely has the option of "sitting out" when the two big countries (or, for that matter, one of the two) decide they're going to have a war. This is.especially true when the small country is on a perfect route for an attacker - either the side playing offense will invade to get that route, or the defender will seize your country to secure that flank.

Unless you have a strong terrain advantage, an extremely nasty military compared to your size, or some sort of powerful leverage, neutrality in a conflict like.that is a pipe dream.

See: Kingdom of Armenia getting ripped apart again and again by the romans, persians, parthians, muslims, turks, etc.

In practice, the neutrality of Belgium was always conditional. If they had allied with Germany and sent in their army to fight French forts alongside the Germans, Britain + France would’ve cried perfidy, and invaded and occupied Belgium. The Belgians never had any agency in such a conflict, they were never allowed a free and independent choice.

We tend to view the German invasion as a Terrible Transgression because the losers did it, instead of a Necessary Lesser Evil done by the victors (like the starvation blockade).

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It’s basically the same power relationship as when the US overthrows a government, then allows the people to create a new and democratic government... as long as it’s not Socialist. If the new president tries to nationalize the oil or lithium supplies and cut out ‘the free market’, they get assassinated and Mr. Yes-Man Dictator just happens to end up in power.

It’s “Free Choice! (as Long as You Don’t Piss Us Off)”, no matter what’s written on a scrap of paper somewhere. All that does is legitimize what the Great Powers were already going to do.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Acebuckeye13 posted:

This is some weirdly hostile posting towards Xiahou Dun.

Yeah, it’s pretty offputting. If pedantry is a sin, half the posters ITT are veritable monsters.

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Hey, do us savage inferiors all a favor: bend over, put your hands on your knees, and gently caress off.

:jerkbag:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Don Gato posted:

In Death of Stalin they actually didn't have Jason Isaacs wearing all the medals and awards Zhukov actually had because everyone involved in production took one look at the actual Zhukov and decided it looked too unrealistic.

lmao that’s incredible.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

The Lone Badger posted:

Why does a battleship have AA guns at all? I thought a battleship's job was to carry as many fuckhueg guns as physically possible and leave all the small-gun stuff to its escorts?

Because if you get hit with a huge wave of aircraft with bombs, your escorts might be separated from you, or busy dying, right when you need AA the most. Also, when aircraft get close to your ship (where they’re usually most dangerous) they might be far from your escorts but very close to you.

Late-war US battleships had dozens or hundreds of AA guns, and they still sank when hit by concentrated waves of aircraft. Early-war ships with a handful of (basically bolt-action) AA guns? They were sitting ducks. And all it takes is one lucky bomb to gently caress your rudder, or start a fire, and that might be the beginning of the end for your ship.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Argas posted:

I imagine Fly Mojo meant more that even with late-war refits, air attacks were still a threat to battleships. It's not like they made the battleships immune to torpedoes or bombs by slapping more armor on, they just made them far more capable of shooting down planes.

Yeah I meant more that you can’t 100% prevent air attack, even with a fuckload of AA, and with less, you’re going to struggle to fend off a fraction of them.

The US not losing more ships to planes/kamikazes is more due to the Japanese airforce being decimated by that point in the war, not because good AA or tons of escorts makes you invulnerable.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fangz posted:

What about surrendering

What if we just keep shoveling starving conscripts into the guns of the americans? Once they hit their pre-set kill limits they’ll shut down.

(just don’t tell the IJN, those fuckers are the true enemy)

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pryor on Fire posted:

it was so cool and is still on display with a functional .50 on top somewhere.

hmmm, you might want to locate that. :hmmyes:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Xiahou Dun posted:

You're mistaken and are spouting lies.

Please stop. I'm trying to drink less.

Whatever books you've read have been very bad and you shouldn't take anything from them. And it was talking about a film through the lens of a larger philosophical structure and taking about how that relates to Chinese history. That wasn't subtext, it was text.

Just stop. Please dear god. I'm not even a real Sinologist, I'm just a linguist who works with old Chinese poo poo and you're wounding me.

Edit : I'm happy to explain to you in detail how wrong you are about literally all of China, but I charge money for that kind of thing.

Can we get one free answer: is Panda Express real Chinese food?

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cessna posted:

Jack played a lot of WWII GPW/Russian Front miniatures games. At the time his game of choice was Command Decision. He wasn't afraid to let his biases be known.

He had an extensive and very well-painted Soviet army that he brought to games in padded foam cases. All of the details were picked out, shaded and counter-shaded with well blended paint. He took care of them and made sure they were put back in their case properly at the end of every game.

He also had an "OpFor" German army. They were painted with a single pass of black spraypaint. He brought them to games loose in a cardboard box with the word "FASCISTS" scrawled on the side in black marker. When they were eliminated in the game he'd toss them across the room into the box.

Bash the fash :hmmyes:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Tias posted:

It wasn't even the food itself, but the logistical machine behind the food. Soviet army butcheries and kitchens often didn't have running water and lavatories close by the prep areas. Add to this the fact that corruption was rampant and stuff like butter and eggs magically disappeared before it got to the conscripts, and you get a sense of how bad army food was. Bread contained grit and soup has weird gristle and bone parts instead of meat - and that was if you didn't get sick. Some outbreaks of poisoning and disease incapacitated hundreds of soldiers at a time.

I was just listening to the Lions Led by Donkeys series about the Napoleonic invasion of Russia, and conditions for conscripts in the 18th century Russian imperial army were somehow even worse. Bad enough that it makes conditions for a soviet army conscript seem positively merciful by comparison.

Maybe they fudged some of the details, they're not world-class historians or anything, but it's still pretty insane:
- Conscription lasted for ~25 years, and you had a ~10% chance of surviving your full term of service.
- Even if you did survive, the Army treated you like a reservist... and would call you back into service if things got dire.
- Before entering the army your friends and family would hold a funeral for you (that you would attend!) and burn objects that reminded them of you, because your odds of surviving and coming back were so poor.
- The same violent hazing that was typical during later Soviet times, same liberal use of execution and physical punishment to maintain discipline.
- If you had children when you got conscripted, they got put into orphanages (since state policy was that a single mom was an unfit mom). Girls would go into regular nightmarish orphanages, boys would go into special military orphanages, where they'd be raised to be future NCOs in the Russian army and ~50% of them would die. So yes, 20+ years into your nightmarish conscription, your own son might be the NCO beating the dogshit out of you for an infraction.
- Plus, all of the the usual fun times for a big undersupplied army in this period - not enough guns, not enough bullets, not enough food.

It's absolutely wild.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

bewbies posted:

IMAGINE THAT

(at least two of my old colleagues have been called back onto active duty this week)

For sure, but I feel like it’s somehow worse when it’s some poor Russian bastard in his 40s or 50s, who barely survived his first 25 years in the army, who lost his kids and got to sit through his own funeral the first time, getting a letter that says “yo peasant, Napoleon just invaded, you’re ordered to rejoin the army!”

:wal:: cyka blyat, time for second funeral.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kevin DuBrow posted:



What is the purpose of these structures in cemeteries? This was in Fredericksburg National Military Park (U.S Civil War). There were four of these at the center of the cemetery.

:goatsecx:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Taerkar posted:

For meritorious achievements in journalism?

:captainpop:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

SerCypher posted:

I'd think of it less as a battle and more as several related battles all going on at the same time along a front. Military tactics were also not very sophisticated once you got to large numbers either. Most battles of the period seem to boil down to "Tell the infantry to do X and the Cavalry to do Y".

Or sub-commanders in charge of each wing of the battle, possibly with a reserve. It’s not one man trying to maneuver 150,000, it’s three generals commanding 50,000-man armies and working in tandem.

It’s also hilarious how Alexander beat Darius’ unstoppable army- no complicated pincer move or double envelopment, just charge Darius directly with your elite troops, and make him flee for his life or die in his chariot.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

PittTheElder posted:

Like with tanks, I can't imagine they're ever intended to operate truly independently. You'd progress slowly, possibly even carrying the supporting infantry and workmen for track repair along with you.

The hardest thing about a railway track isn't the track itself, but the corridor and the grade control, and those things are much harder to blow up for any significant distance.

Now I’m just picturing partisans piling up hundreds of thousands of cubic yards of dirt to build a manmade hill over the track.

“Da, ze grade is gonna be so loving steep by the time we’re done!”

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Epicurius posted:

One of the things that killed public bathing was the Black Death, because when everybody's dying of the plague, the whole idea of "lets everybody strip down and get in the bath together, have a meal and maybe while you're there have sex with either your wife or a prostitute", was not seen as particularly safe and wise.

There was also, especially in Northern Europe, the Little Ice Age, which made public baths, especially heating them, more expensive and less profitable as a business.

And there’s that recent DNA evidence that the Plague of Justinian was actually Bubonic Plague. The people who did survive probably weren’t too fond of public gatherings after a few rounds of plague swept through.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mr Enderby posted:

Dumb "x was worse than y" culture war posts aside, I would actually like to read an effortpost on the Bengal famine and its causes.

Someone did a really good effort post about this famine, but I can't find it right now. Behind the Bastards did a great two-parter on it that I'd recommend ("How Winston Churchill and Frederick Lindemann Starved India") and here's a couple of shorter summaries I had bookmarked:

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

It was the result of British scorched earth operations early in the Burma campaign, and subsequently, a refusal of the British administration to actually deliver famine relief. The parallel to the Irish famine lies in how the British attempted to organize early relief efforts via market-based solutions. India as a whole was a food-sufficient colony, but rather than releasing local stocks as general relief, the British flooded the market in an attempt to lower prices. This grain was simply bought up by the richer strata of Bengali society, while the rural villages continued to starve, as they were far from provincial markets and were too poor to afford grain anyways.

Meanwhile, grain from Australia was making it just fine across the Indian Ocean. Shipping was needed everywhere and the British were taking losses supplying all their bases anyways. Churchill just decided that a few million Bengali's weren't worth the trouble, which is quite heinous even without the benefit of hindsight. With hindsight, we know the Japanese weren't actually in a position to conquer India at all, and Churchill's decision becomes indefensible.

In any case, the Bengal famine was just the culmination of British colonial policy in India, which intentionally cultivated a nepotistic and corrupt local administration that was uninterested in Indians besides as a means of supplying Britain with raw resources. Just like in Ireland, the Brits were reliant on local allies, who came out of the famine with more relative power than ever. Famine is great if you're the local ruling class, which in India and Ireland, were landlords. Starving people run away from their plots, or sell them to you for food. Great times promoted under the free market.

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Churchill directly ordered that food not be sent to India, and that the local government was not allowed to use its own money or ships to import more. The US and Australia offered to help, and they were either ignored or told not to get involved by his cabinet.

He was quoted as saying "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."

The Bengal famine was very specifically a man made disaster and the people who created it were directly and intentionally responsible for those deaths.

tl;dr: Wiston Churchill knew what was happening, didn't give a poo poo, and his racism/imperial callousness killed millions of Indian people while he ordered the country to continue exporting grain to Britain. He's 100% a mass-murderer on-par with Stalin or Hitler, he just did a better job wrapping it in terms we consider more acceptable ('the free market will provide', or 'personal responsibility') so it gets brushed under the rug.

This Mark Twain quote comes to mind:

quote:

THERE were two “Reigns of Terror,” if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the “horrors” of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break? What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror—that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Mr Enderby posted:

Thanks for looking those up.

Yeah no problem, those posts really stuck in my memory since I always learned about that particular famine as Japan's Fault! The War! Ehhhhh India just kinda has famines! (it's nobody's fault) ...and then it turns out that, nope, political leaders were repeatedly informed, they just didn't give a poo poo.

Fuligin posted:

QCS is where you go to whine about mean cspammers op

Lol, nice.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

I am by no means pro Churchill, but he was also quite personally brave, perhaps TOO brave.

IMO excessive bravery is a bit of a poo poo trait for a military commander. Sure, when it works out you get a leader like Trajan or Alexander, but that also means you're outrunning your own supply lines, overreaching, and walking into traps. More meticulous commanders like Quintus Fabius or Ziggy Sprague don't really get the credit they deserve, while 'brave' leaders like William Halsey and Joachim Murat are overrated.

Subutai doesn't count, it's not a fair comparison when someone gets to start with 100 in every stat.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

HEY GUNS posted:

as hitler's first war stresses, you are confusing (and if this were germany in the 20s hitler would be banking on this) a regimental runner with a batallion runner. He was the second one.

To be fair, IIRC the massive shifts in artillery capability and usage made the latter a more dangerous job in WW1 it was in past wars. Sure, you might get your throat slit by bandits or skirmishers, but in 19th century combat you don't have hurricanes of air-bursting shrapnel hammering targets 10 miles behind the front lines.

But yeah, no, we do not have to hand it to Hitler.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

A Typical Goon posted:

This would be a good point if most of the information I was talking about didn't come from Stephen Kotkin and his thousands pages long biography of Stalin which is sourced and backed by hundreds of primary documents

I don't get why people can't have an objective discussions about horrible people without resorting to childish ad hominems. History is history, it shouldn't matter your ideology

Some people think communism is a uniquely bad ideology, and somehow worse than fascism or capitalism (which kill way more people). :shrug:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
^^that's wonderful to imagine.

Phanatic posted:

Or if the local chandler keeps seeing candlelight coming from your house and knows you haven’t been buying candles.

Hmmm, interesting, I didn't realize Friends was so historically accurate.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Alchenar posted:

If you could pick one general from history to defend a position for you from a vastly superior opposing army then it's a toss up between Wellington and Lee.

Bullshit, Lee is overrated even from a defensive standpoint. A good general playing defense doesn’t blindly lead his army into enemy territory without a clear idea of how to achieve victory. Better options would include Quintus Fabius, or Ziggy Sprague. Hell, Subutai would definitely kick Lee’s rear end.

Heraclius fought a similar strategy from a much worse position, but with a clear idea of what his war aims and targets were. That’s how he kicked the Persian empire’s rear end, burned their temples, and won a generation-long war with one ragtag army of Roman misfits. :colbert:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

blackmongoose posted:

I think the more interesting question is if you absolutely must win a battle where you are massively outnumbered, who do you most want to be in charge on the other side?

Nikephoros I, that way the enemy side camps in a swampy valley, without posting sentries, after they see the barricades you built at one end of the valley. :doh:

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fangz posted:

The Atom bomb was used exactly piecemeal. If you follow the argument, the US should have waited until they had 40 and dropped them all at once.

Idk, the use of the atom bomb in 1945 is more like if Germany had suddenly gas-attacked two big French cities when they were outside Paris in 1914, or if the Allies had suddenly gassed two German cities in mid-1918 (if gas didn’t exist until then). It was a massive, city-killing show of force against a demoralized and near-broken enemy. Under those circumstances, stockpiling 40 wasn’t necessary to gently caress up enemy morale.

Now, if the US had nuked Guadalcanal in 1942, that wouldn’t have had the same devastating effect. Sure, it would’ve been shocking, but the Japanese military still had multiple layers of defensive lines to fall back to- by 1945 they had no such room to maneuver or devise a countermeasure.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Alchenar posted:

Also we're 75 years on and it's still the case that nobody has come up with a satisfactory countermeasure for 'getting nuked' so this is obviously not an analogous circumstance.

Agreed, but I’m saying the Japanese wouldn’t have necessarily known that (ie. a new strategy of “easy, just shoot down every bomber!”) and their perceived room to retreat/maybe figure out some countermeasure would make the psychological impact much less devastating in 1942 than in 1945.

The V1 and V2s didn’t really achieve their intended terror effect during the Battle of Britain for a lot of reasons. One reason is certainly that the Nazis didn’t introduce them in one huge barrage (even if that was feasible), but another is the circumstances of their intended targets. These new weapons would’ve been much more psychologically devastating if they were used after the Nazis (somehow, fuckin’ Operation Magic Sealion or whatever) had a whole army in Britain wrecking the British army. Then there’s no time to comfortably learn how this new weapon system works, there’s just “OH gently caress PARLIAMENT IS ASHES NOW! THEY CAN loving DO THAT?!” And that’s more analogous to the circumstances of the first use of nuclear weapons by the US IMO: a terrifying first display against a losing enemy in order to cow them into submission.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kaiser Schnitzel posted:

Someone upthread mentioned the balance of forces on the western front in WW1 hovered around 2.5M allies vs 1.5M Germans (idk if the Italian front gets counted in that or not) Is that basically accurate? Were the advantages in trench warfare so stacked in the defender’s favor that they could hold the line for 4 years against a force with a nearly 2:1 advantage in number?

What matters more than the strategic balance of forces is the local balance of forces at any one location. The fundamental problem both sides kept running into was reinforcements - the defender can use rail lines to move up reinforcements, while the attackers have to walk men across no-man's land to reinforce a successful attack, which makes it very difficult to hold onto any ground you win. The theater-wide balance of forces doesn't really matter, if every time they successfully attack they're limited to moving up, say, 1,000 men/hour (once a runner gets back to their lines to report the success) while the Germans can immediately start bringing up 5,000 men/hour to counterattack and plug the gap.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Ok, semi-serious question here:

If the world, post-WW1, moved to try to "sanitize" conflicts by holding them in specific regions on the planet. What places would be likely candidates in a 1920-30s world, or where might conflicts erupt due to the discovery of large resource deposits?

United States, hands down. Tons of empty space, a wide variety of terrain, and tons of domestic arms manufacturing, bullets, tanks, oil- just think how much you’d save on shipping!

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

HEY GUNS posted:

also it was cold. soldiers who were quartered on you in the 17th century would also sleep in the house's one bed, i've seen it in legal testimony

That sounds like it could get extremely rapey real fast.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cyrano4747 posted:

Fun fact about pellegra: it’s very possible to have a corn- centric diet. You just have to soak the corn in lye to break down the outer shell and some other chemistry bullshit that makes the nutrients available to your body. Nixtamalization is what it’s called and it was a key part of how mesoamerican cultures produced corn. You run into problems when you use mechanical grinding to get rid of the hull.

Fun fact this is also why tamales and tortillas just need a bit of water but corn bread needs a gently caress load of butter - ground corn doesn’t really make a dough right.

Basically the south should have made tortillas instead of cornbread. And tamales. Delicious delicious tamales. Fuckers already had the pulled pork get with the program.

How dare you, this is America! *dies of malnutrition*

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

It never would have happened because Japan actively did not want to antagonize the Soviets by attacking that supply line.

I do wonder what would've happened if some dumbfuck soviet general had bungled Khalkhin Gol into a disastrous defeat. WW2 might've gone differently if Japan spent it loving up the Soviet far east, rather than picking a fight with the US. Maybe the US still ultimately gets involved, but anti-war sentiment would've been a lot stronger without a casus belli like Pearl Harbor. Then, without lend-lease and fresh siberian divisions, the Soviets would've been in a much tighter spot.

something something gay black hitler

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Gnoman posted:

It is questionable that the US w ould try to stop a Japan-USSR war tp the extent that they did the Japan-China one. China was at least nominally a US ally, while the Soviets were just Evil Commies. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that a policy of " Let's you and him fight " would be the preferred solution there until Hitker managed to drag the US into Europe.

Yeah, something like Operation Unthinkable was batshit lunacy by the end of WW2, but I don’t see the US and UK providing massive direct intervention to rescue the Soviets if Japan and Germany were in a better position to beat the piss out of it in 1940-41. Especially if Vladivostok was no longer in Soviet hands. A short-sighted policy of “oh whatever, they’re just killing communists OH gently caress WE’RE ISOLATED NOW” seems very possible.

The US had some incredible industrial might, but I don’t think we would’ve been able to dump the necessary millions of bodies into the meatgrinder to beat fascism if the Soviets were off the table. Especially if WW2 was perceived by the US public as less of a defensive war (“Pearl Harbor!”) and more of an offensive war (“we attacked Japan because they were killing commies?!”). I could see it degenerating into a different Cold War, with the US immune to invasion (and wielding nukes) but unable to recapture all of Europe solo.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Trillhouse posted:

Weird question about something I half remembered and couldn't find through google:

Does anyone have a link to that comic they made for Russian Soldiers in, I think, Stalingrad (WWII at least) about clearing rooms in urban combat? Something like: throw a grenade in the room, then rush in with automatic fire. It goes something like "get as many grenades as you can, grenades are your friends"?


Hopefully someone knows what I'm talking about, I posted about this in TFR but no one had a link so I thought I would try this thread. Thanks!

You're in luck, buddy.

"Enter the house with a friend: you and your grenade"

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Trillhouse posted:

Oh hell yes. Thank you! This is it!

No problem, props to EE for the awesome effortpost.

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lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
yo hegel, who would win in a pike-fight, landschneckts or macedonians?

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