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The Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame is a hall of fame voted for by current and former wrestlers, journalists, historians, and others employed in the industry. We'll use this thread to discuss the upcoming election and its candidates. To be eligible, you must have been active for at least 15 years, or be 35 years old and have at least 10 years of experience. Voters only vote in certain regions if they are knowledgeable enough to vote there. I think Dave said on the most recent Friday night show that he doesn't vote in the Rest of the World category. The regions are divided into: Modern U.S. & Canada Historical U.S. & Canada Japan Mexico Rest of the World Candidates must received 60% of the vote in their region to be elected. Candidates are dropped off if they don't received 10% of the vote, or if they have been on the ballot for 15 years and have received less than 50% of the vote. 2018's inductees were LA Park, Jerry Jarrett, Jimmy Hart, Bill Apter, Howard Finkel, Gary Hart, & Yuji Nagata. From Wikipedia: "Voting criteria include the length of time spent in wrestling, historical significance, ability to attract viewers, and wrestling ability." Returning candidates I FOLLOWED THE HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES June Byers Wild Bull Curry Cowboy Bob Ellis Don Fargo Archie "Mongolian Stomper" Gouldie Chavo Guerrero Sr. Rocky Johnson Jose Lothario* Sputnik Monroe Blackjack Mulligan Johnny Rougeau Dick Slater* George Steele Enrique Torres Jimmy & Johnny Valiant Von Brauners & Saul Weingeroff Bearcat Wright I FOLLOWED THE MODERN PERFORMERS IN U.S/CANADA CANDIDATES Tully Blanchard & Arn Anderson w/J.J. Dillon Junkyard Dog Edge Bill Goldberg Matt & Jeff Hardy* Rick Martel Randy Orton C.M.Punk Sgt. Slaughter Trish Stratus Kerry Von Erich Ultimate Warrior I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Jun Akiyama Cima Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan Yoshiaki Fujiwara Hayabusa Kota Ibushi Tomohiro Ishii* Tetsuya Naito Kenny Omega Meiko Satomura Akira Taue I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN MEXICO CANDIDATES Los Brazos (Brazo de Oro & Brazo de Plata & El Brazo) Caristico Ultimo Guerrero Karloff Lagarde Los Misioneros de la Muerte (El Signo & El Texano & Negro Navarro) Huracan Ramirez Villano III Volador Jr.* Dr. Wagner Jr. I FOLLOWED WRESTLING IN EUROPE/AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND/PACIFIC ISLANDS/AFRICA Sypros Arion Big Daddy Dominic DeNucci Billy Joyce George Kidd* Killer Karl Kox Mario Milano Kendo Nagasaki Jackie Pallo Rollerball Mark Rocco Johnny Saint Ricki Starr Otto Wanz NON-WRESTLERS Lord James Blears Dave Brown Bob Caudle* Jim Crockett Jr. Jim Crockett Sr. Gedo Jim Johnston Larry Matysik Stephanie McMahon* James Melby* Don Owen Morris Sigel* George Scott Naoki Sugabayashi Ted Turner Stanley Weston Grand Wizard* Akiyama, Owen, & Villano III will be dropped from the ballot if they do not at least reach 50% this year. Asterisks denote new additions to the ballot. Punch McLightning fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 01:36
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I don't think Matt & Jeff make it but there is a case to be made and I want to read it. I laughed so much when Dave finally came around to the standard internet take on Orton. Good but not great. Had 4-5 drawing years but was given a position others can only dream of. Now that Sting ruined everything there's no point but I really liked when the line for HOF was "Better than Edge. Gedo is a no-doubter. Ted Turner should go in unless you have an issue with money men/TV people getting recognition. Turner and TBS are hugely important in the history of American wrestling. I hope Dave keeps championing the case for Cima as an influential figure. Dude carried Dragon Gate to the #2 position in Japan while training and polishing a generation of talent.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:02
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:
Uh I think you mean Dick Murdoch.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:06
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If I weren't banned from voting due to my support for ISIS I'd be voting for Caristico Brazos Ultimo Guerrero The Death Missionaries Villano III Dr. Wagner Jr. Edge CIMA Gedo and Dave Brown in non Wrestlers.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:10
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I don't think Matt & Jeff make it but there is a case to be made and I want to read it. I laughed so much when Dave finally came around to the standard internet take on Orton. Good but not great. Had 4-5 drawing years but was given a position others can only dream of. CIMA was also pretty influential stylistically on US indy wrestling
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Sep 17, 2019 03:15
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ctrl+f Steiner No results Well I don't care. Edit: well one thing, if Ultimo Guerrero doesn't get in this time I have no idea what the hells going on Lid fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Sep 17, 2019 |
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Sep 17, 2019 03:19
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Lid posted:ctrl+f Steiner He's like the 5th best candidate on the Mexico ticket.
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Sep 17, 2019 03:58
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goldberg is the most famous guy on the list
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Sep 17, 2019 03:59
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none of those people are important except maybe 1 or 2 from mexico and arguably Ted turner but he may not have been as 'involved' as people want even though he saved pro wrestling. Some years the HoF should not put in anyone, but go the extra step to delete everyone who didn't get in and isn't still active.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:10
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Caristico is an absolute no brainer for me. Once in a generation star.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:11
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there are over 220 people in the hall of fame but there should only be about 75. Certainly no more than 100 by the year 2025. there is no reason for people like triple h or chono to be in there. or carlos colón. so what if you lived somewhere and started doing wrestling there? induct ho ho lun next.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:19
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Hey friend maybe you should cool down and take a lap
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Sep 17, 2019 04:22
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you accidentally told that To me instead of Oney Lorcan on Twitter.
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Sep 17, 2019 04:26
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Cast your vote for the inventor of women's wrestling, Stephanie McMahon
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Sep 17, 2019 04:30
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Big Daddy's year to shine.
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Sep 17, 2019 10:06
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would gedo be the first person with a long career as an active wrestler to go in as a non wrestler?
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Sep 17, 2019 10:32
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I don't think Matt & Jeff make it but there is a case to be made and I want to read it. Look at any 2006 indie show or any modern ladder match and it's hard to say the Hardys weren't deeply influential
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Sep 17, 2019 10:33
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Get Big Daddy in there
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Sep 17, 2019 13:57
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Kojima and Tenzan are stuck to each other again making both of their cases worse. The invidual discussion is so much more interesting that it's maddening they're just seen as a tag in 201X. Any year without CIMA is a joke. I'd go for Meiko too.
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Sep 17, 2019 14:09
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Lid posted:ctrl+f Steiner This is a list for normal wrestlers but Steiner is a genetic freak, and he's not normal
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Sep 17, 2019 14:17
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Is Tomohiro Ishii's case actually good? I mean, I want him to go into the Hall of Fame because he's been one of, if not the, best wrestlers in the world for more than half of this decade, his work is incredible, but he's not drawn a dime. And the first 2 decades of his career are mostly not talked about, in fact I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone wax lyrical about Ishii matches in World Japan or WAR or DDT or Zero One.
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Sep 17, 2019 14:22
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For the most part he has worked the exact same match with everyone for the past six years. A lot of people think it is a ***** match but his work is very one dimensional, it depends on how much value you put on all of that. He's not particularly influential or move merch or tickets and anything before 2013 is not worth talking about.
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Sep 17, 2019 14:27
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I love Tomohiro Ishii, but he is not a hall of famer.
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Sep 17, 2019 15:04
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Cage Kicker posted:This is a list for normal wrestlers but Steiner is a genetic freak, and he's not normal I was including Rick in that, that the Steiner Brothers aren't in or even nominated is a huge headscratcher.
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Sep 17, 2019 16:04
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Lid posted:I was including Rick in that, that the Steiner Brothers aren't in or even nominated is a huge headscratcher. Not really, they weren't a draw in this country and their peak as a great team was a few years. It's not surprising at all they weren't voted in and there's no reason to put them on the ballot in 2019.
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Sep 17, 2019 16:51
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The Steiners and Harlem Heat are pretty much the same team
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Sep 17, 2019 17:14
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Orton is really bad, when you consider how naturally gifted he is, the push he got how little he did with it. Hard to even think of someone get less out of more.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:09
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I don't think Orton deserves to get in just for being two of the big opponent's that made Cena and modern WWE. If Orton gets in Edge should absolutely get in though. Hardyz should get in for how they've been able to stay relevant in some form for so long and innovating tag team wrestling not only in WWE during that time but also for the independents. You can possibly argue that if there were no Hardy Boyz there would be no Young Bucks which would very possibly lead to no AEW. Ishii's best case is in his in ring accomplishments and how recently Metlzer's high praise for him and his matches has help raise his stock in people's eyes. I can see Wagner Jr being an easy in. The guy got a big draw and payoff for putting hair extension on the line in a wager match, he's the GOAT. CIMA is a dude that should have been in awhile ago just for his eye for talent and how his promotion has shaped a lot of indie wrestling and in extension wrestling as a whole.
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Sep 17, 2019 21:51
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any criteria that gets orton in and keeps goldberg out is faulty
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Sep 17, 2019 22:19
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If the best thing that could be said about a wrestler is "He's really good when he cares about the match", then that guy ain't HOF material.
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Sep 17, 2019 22:28
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Nakamura is in.
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Sep 17, 2019 23:19
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Meiko should be a gimme. Same goes for Akiyama.
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Sep 17, 2019 23:46
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How the hell is Johnny Saint not in the HOF yet?
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Sep 18, 2019 00:25
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super macho dude posted:How the hell is Johnny Saint not in the HOF yet? All the UK & etc people either don't have enough votes or their spread too much between each other, it was the same problem with a hand full of the Mexican wrestlers too.
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Sep 18, 2019 00:57
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Davros1 posted:If the best thing that could be said about a wrestler is "He's really good when he cares about the match", then that guy ain't HOF material. shawn michaels is in
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Sep 18, 2019 01:39
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Shawn Michaels absolutely should not be in
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Sep 18, 2019 05:16
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Why did Bret Hart go in during the same year as Hulk Hogan, after leading WWF through its worst times ever, and very soon after, handing the reins off right before its best times ever? We would later Find out that Bret did nothing else. and shawn Michaels is the same as X-Pac
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Sep 18, 2019 05:23
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i'm only voting for the Hardy Boyz
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Sep 18, 2019 05:26
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KungFu Grip posted:All the UK & etc people either don't have enough votes or their spread too much between each other, it was the same problem with a hand full of the Mexican wrestlers too.
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Sep 18, 2019 08:36
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Thauros posted:would gedo be the first person with a long career as an active wrestler to go in as a non wrestler? Bobby Heenan?
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