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General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

It might be my favorite Gibson, it’s so good. The reveal of the origin of the Footage is spooky and incredibly satisfying.

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003



Let me just repeat this: I read Pattern Recognition back in 2006, and those were my impressions from reading it back then, way back in 2006.
Electro magnetic frequency sensitivity is a real thing some people suffer from, and that sucks. Literal radio quiet zones are a cool thing though. I vaguely remember reading something about one retired large mobile satellite dish with a giant smiley face painted on it being tasked to point directly at any "foreign national" satellites passing overhead in one of those National Radio Quiet Zones.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Fallen Rib

I think it was someone in this thread who mentioned Engine Summer, and I want to thank them because I just finished it and it was excellent. Dreamy and confusing and not much happens in it, but I loved it.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

HopperUK posted:

I think it was someone in this thread who mentioned Engine Summer, and I want to thank them because I just finished it and it was excellent. Dreamy and confusing and not much happens in it, but I loved it.
That's the standard for John Crowley. I generally need to be in the proper mood for his books but they are all worth reading.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 18:17 on May 17, 2020

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009


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PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


Fart of Presto posted:

Also, wtf is up with the non-spoiler postings about the ending of Gibson's Agency?
It's only been out a couple of months. Is that the new limit for when it's fine to talk about the ending of a book without posting with spoiler tags, or just if you personally didn't like the book?

Sorry about that. FWIW, I went back and tagged my posts.

General Battuta posted:

It might be my favorite Gibson, it’s so good. The reveal of the origin of the Footage is spooky and incredibly satisfying.

Yeah, it's aged in light of what social media and web video have become over the years, but it's set in 2002, so it's not an entirely inaccurate picture of internet communities of its time, and the reveal about the footage is fantastic.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012



HopperUK posted:

I think it was someone in this thread who mentioned Engine Summer, and I want to thank them because I just finished it and it was excellent. Dreamy and confusing and not much happens in it, but I loved it.

If you liked it, you really need to try Little, Big. I also enjoyed Crowley's Aegypt novels.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Fallen Rib

Selachian posted:

If you liked it, you really need to try Little, Big. I also enjoyed Crowley's Aegypt novels.

Noted, thank you!

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007
INSOLENT


Grimey Drawer

freebooter posted:

I'm tempted to read this more now, out of morbid fascination, because Gibson is a writer I genuinely admire but also somebody I eventually had to unfollow on Twitter because he was constantly tweeting and retweeting extremely tedious blue-tick Resistance and I'm With Her crap. Like, I'm fine with somebody having different politics to me, but please don't be boring about it, especially when you wrote loving Neuromancer.

William Gibson's Agency plot discussion:
Act 1 is the interesting part focusing on Verity Jane's interactions with Eunice, act 2 is nothing but driving around California, act 3 is an art show where Eunice announces her web site. That's it.

There's a scene where the characters talk about how She's Got This, there's another scene where the characters basically say "It's a good thing we have a functioning State Department!" "Yes, it is a good thing we have a functioning State Department.", and there's the previously mentioned scene at the end where everybody talks about how Eunice's intervention wasn't necessary after all because the President fixed everything and then everybody claps cheers.

Eunice averting the nuclear war isn't supported by the text at all -- the aunties think nuclear war is going to happen but they don't know for sure because 2017 is too technologically primitive for them to do their universal surveillance thing, which is why they're pushing Eunice to bootstrap herself into full agency, but Eunice spends most of the book decapitated and rebuilding herself. So unless we're supposed to read between the lines and assume there are branch plants off influencing the State Department and NATO and the Syrian & Russian & Turkish governments (which is never remotely hinted at), then Eunice didn't have anything to do with Hillary's diplomatic triumph. The actual details of the Qamishli incident are barely mentioned at all.


At least Rejoice, a Knife to the Heart was upfront and honest about what it was about. It was terrible, but it didn't lead you along with any kind of false pretenses of quality.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001





Pillbug

Cayce's fear of the Michelin Man is a plot point, the brand phobia isn't just mentioned and then dropped.

PeterWeller
Apr 20, 2003

I told you that story so I could tell you this one.


pseudorandom name posted:

William Gibson's Agency plot discussion:

Yeah, I reread the last few chapters and you're right. Eunice even says so herself.

navyjack
Jul 15, 2006





freebooter posted:

I'm tempted to read this more now, out of morbid fascination, because Gibson is a writer I genuinely admire but also somebody I eventually had to unfollow on Twitter because he was constantly tweeting and retweeting extremely tedious blue-tick Resistance and I'm With Her crap. Like, I'm fine with somebody having different politics to me, but please don't be boring about it, especially when you wrote loving Neuromancer.

I feel this. How goddamn disappointing it is that writers I like are such loving boring PMC libs. You’d think that at least ONE would be a bomb-thrower, but no, they all think that “Drumpf” and “Cheeto Benito” and pointing out that if Obama did something Trump did that Republicans would lose their minds is the absolute PINNACLE of political commentary. At least my musicians are cool.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


navyjack posted:

I feel this. How goddamn disappointing it is that writers I like are such loving boring PMC libs. You’d think that at least ONE would be a bomb-thrower, but no, they all think that “Drumpf” and “Cheeto Benito” and pointing out that if Obama did something Trump did that Republicans would lose their minds is the absolute PINNACLE of political commentary. At least my musicians are cool.

If you want to read an author go full left, as far left as possible, read Ken Macleod. His stuff is fascinatingly political, and I really enjoyed his Corp Wars trilogy. I don't necessarily agree with all of his conclusions but I do love that he will happily dunk on fascists.

e: oh and a helpful capsule summary of the Corp Wars plot: in the far future, several corporations are repped by their AIs in a distant part of space. They're dickering over mining rights to a system, and when several of their mining robots go rogue and form a union, they grab a bunch of human personalities, upload them into robot bodies, and make them war upon the robots. Inbetween wars the humans get uploaded into a holodeck. Politics and conspiracy and space war ensue.

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007
INSOLENT


Grimey Drawer

I found The Corp Wars unreadably bad, you should read The Fall Revolution instead -- it features anarcho-communists defending humanity against post-Singularity monsters and then libertarians from the libertarian planet decide to negotiate trade deals with the monsters.

Ninurta
Sep 19, 2007
Wit to be input later.

StrixNebulosa posted:

Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams is weird 80s cyberpunk by a really fascinating author (that I want to read)
Shockwave Rider by John Brunner is 70s cyberpunk about a society in decline, and a man who changes identities frequently. I've read the first third? or so of it and loved it.
River of Gods by Ian McDonald is 2000s cyberpunk set in India, and it follows a lot of people in a complicated plot and I really liked the prose but dropped it because ??? reasons. I want to get back to it.


"i love cyberpunk" says woman who never actually reads it

Hardwired is a good, quick read and has some neat concepts. There is a sequel, Voice of the Whirlwind which is kind of a proto-Takashi Kovacz book where backing up your personality is the norm and when you flatline they spin up your clone. Only in Whirlwind, the backup data is 15 years old. Always keep backups, people.

Shockwave Rider I am just starting now after finishing Stand on Zanzibar, it is...depressing. It's an ecological disaster but hey, the Corporation still made a profit.

Regarding Ian McDonald I would recommend either Brasyl or The Dervish House if you bounced off of River of the Gods. The former is in Brazil and is essentially 3 short stories, the latter is in Istanbul and bounces between 6 different characters during a heat wave. I preferred Dervish House but Brasyl literally starts with a Reality Show pitch featuring a car robbery because it's a pimped out C-Class Mercedes with a CD changer and MP3 player.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Bless my uncle, may he rest in peace. I've been reading James Whites' Sector General series, which consists of 12 novels. The omnibuses only contain 1-11.

Guess which volume I just found in my uncle's collection. It's the only book by James White in there.

branedotorg
Jun 19, 2009


General Battuta posted:

It might be my favorite Gibson, it’s so good. The reveal of the origin of the Footage is spooky and incredibly satisfying.

I've read it three (?) times and that bit was really good but as a book and trilogy I found it average. I found the 9/11 stuff really shoehorned in for example.

On the other hand the passion here and the fact I haven't looked at it for probably 15 years means I'll probably give it another go.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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StrixNebulosa posted:

Bless my uncle, may he rest in peace. I've been reading James Whites' Sector General series, which consists of 12 novels. The omnibuses only contain 1-11.

Guess which volume I just found in my uncle's collection. It's the only book by James White in there.

A second copy of volume 3?

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Jedit posted:

A second copy of volume 3?
Volume 1, signed?

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






Just finished The Word For World Is Forest and it was what Avatar should've been like.

Copernic
Sep 16, 2006

...A Champion, who by mettle of his glowing personal charm alone, saved the universe...


navyjack posted:

I feel this. How goddamn disappointing it is that writers I like are such loving boring PMC libs. You’d think that at least ONE would be a bomb-thrower, but no, they all think that “Drumpf” and “Cheeto Benito” and pointing out that if Obama did something Trump did that Republicans would lose their minds is the absolute PINNACLE of political commentary. At least my musicians are cool.

I can't believe this 72 year old man isn't the 24 year old shitposting poli sci grad student I envisioned.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012


freebooter posted:

I'm tempted to read this more now, out of morbid fascination, because Gibson is a writer I genuinely admire but also somebody I eventually had to unfollow on Twitter because he was constantly tweeting and retweeting extremely tedious blue-tick Resistance and I'm With Her crap. Like, I'm fine with somebody having different politics to me, but please don't be boring about it, especially when you wrote loving Neuromancer.

Twitter makes a lot of people boring, while also generating misunderstandings and grudges between them. It's a combination of the character limit, the interface, the (lack of) moderation, and being effectively mandatory for people with certain kinds of jobs.

Don't follow people on Twitter unless it's specifically because you like their Twitter posts.

Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 18:11 on May 18, 2020

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Twelve pages into the Centauri Device by M John Harrison: drat, the quality of the prose here is excellent. It's like I'm reading poetry, but it has a rough noir-type edge to it that keeps it grounded. Good stuf.

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009


Neuromancer (Sprawl #1) by William Gibson - $2.99
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Apropos to discussion.

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson - $3.99
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Midnight Riot (Rivers of London #1) by Ben Aaronovitch - $1.99
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Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel by Susanna Clark - $1.99
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His Dark Materials (Golden Compass #1) by Philip Pullman - $1.99
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A Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire #1) by George RR Martin - $2.99
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Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood - $2.99
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The Caves of Steel (Robot #1) by Isaac Asimov - $1.99
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Hobnob
Feb 23, 2006

Ursa Adorandum


pradmer posted:

Neuromancer (Sprawl #1) by William Gibson - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000O76ON6/
Apropos to discussion.

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson - $3.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FBJCJE/

Midnight Riot (Rivers of London #1) by Ben Aaronovitch - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004C43F70/

Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel by Susanna Clark - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003RRXXMA/

His Dark Materials (Golden Compass #1) by Philip Pullman - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FC1ICM/

A Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire #1) by George RR Martin - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000QCS8TW/

Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FC1BNI/

The Caves of Steel (Robot #1) by Isaac Asimov - $1.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004JHYRAO/

drat, that's some really loving good SF on sale today.

Incidentally, thanks for keeping the thread updated with these sales. I'm not motivated enough to go looking all the time for what's on sale, so you posting them is really helpful.

Xtanstic
Nov 22, 2007



Hobnob posted:

drat, that's some really loving good SF on sale today.

Incidentally, thanks for keeping the thread updated with these sales. I'm not motivated enough to go looking all the time for what's on sale, so you posting them is really helpful.

Same. I subbed to BookBub because of this thread, but only have it on weekly so sometimes I miss the really good deals that are available for a short amount of time only.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Baru 2 is on sale on the evil website for who knows how long, just $2.99

e: also on every other ebook distributor I am told!

General Battuta fucked around with this message at 02:06 on May 19, 2020

pradmer
Mar 31, 2009


Hobnob posted:

drat, that's some really loving good SF on sale today.

Incidentally, thanks for keeping the thread updated with these sales. I'm not motivated enough to go looking all the time for what's on sale, so you posting them is really helpful.

Xtanstic posted:

Same. I subbed to BookBub because of this thread, but only have it on weekly so sometimes I miss the really good deals that are available for a short amount of time only.

Thanks. The way I'm wired I always wonder if I'm posting too much. I try to keep it curated to not spam people with garbage. I'm sure I miss stuff like Baru above cause there's just no up to date tracker that catches everything.

tildes
Nov 15, 2018


No posting is great, keep it up!

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?


Grimey Drawer

General Battuta posted:

Baru 2 is on sale on the evil website for who knows how long, just $2.99

e: also on every other ebook distributor I am told!

GOD that cover art is AWESOME.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~






Some 60s sci-fi has aged... interestingly

“Cordwainer Smith” posted:

The human female could do what the animal female could not. She could turn male. With the help of equipment from the ship, tremendous quantities of testosterone were manufactured, and every single girl and woman still surviving was turned into a man. Massive injections were administered to all of them. Their faces grew heavy, they all returned to growing a little bit, their chests flattened out, their muscles grew stronger, and in less than three months they were indeed men.
The men of Arachosia became both men and women. They gave themselves the ugly nickname, "klopt." Since they did not have the rewards of family life, they became strutting cockerels, who mixed their love with murder, who blended their songs with duels, who sharpened their weapons and who earned the right to reproduce within a strange family system which no decent Earth-man would find comprehensible.
But they did survive.
And the method of their survival was so sharp, so fierce, that it was indeed a difficult thing to understand.
In less than four hundred years the Arachosians had civilized into groups of fighting clans. They still had just one planet, around just one sun. They lived in just one place. They had a few spacecraft they had built themselves. Their science, their art and their music moved forward with strange lurches of inspired neurotic genius, because they lacked the fundamentals in the human personality itself, the balance of male and female, the family, the operations of love, of hope, of reproduction. They survived, but they themselves had become monsters and did not know it.
Out of their memory of old mankind they created a legend of Old Earth. Women in that memory were deformities, who should be killed. Misshapen beings, who should be erased. The family, as they recalled it, was filth and abomination which they were resolved to wipe out if they should ever meet it.
They, themselves, were bearded homosexuals, with rouged lips, ornate earrings, fine heads of hair, and very few old men among them.

Yearghh!! Look out! The trans homosexuals are coming to kill your family... from space! (I still really like Cordwainer Smith stories though)

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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General Battuta posted:

Baru 2 is on sale on the evil website for who knows how long, just $2.99

He tells me, just as my dead tree copy arrives. Ah, well, I'll live.

(I actually prefer dead tree to Kindle, I just don't have enough space for books.)

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Some 60s sci-fi has aged... interestingly


Yearghh!! Look out! The trans homosexuals are coming to kill your family... from space! (I still really like Cordwainer Smith stories though)

the bit before that is every single woman dying of cancer and then everyone being saved by cats in spaceships which is p metal iirc

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA


Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Some 60s sci-fi has aged... interestingly


Yearghh!! Look out! The trans homosexuals are coming to kill your family... from space! (I still really like Cordwainer Smith stories though)

While it's not to that extent, I'm having the same problem with James White - in his space hospital series doctors get medical knowledge of aliens by basically downloading a copy of an alien brain into their minds. Cool concept right? Well women can't handle that because it's the 1960s damnit.

Prism Mirror Lens
Oct 9, 2012

~*"The most intelligent and meaning-rich film he could think of was Shaun of the Dead, I don't think either brain is going to absorb anything you post."*~






sebmojo posted:

the bit before that is every single woman dying of cancer and then everyone being saved by cats in spaceships which is p metal iirc

Yeah he sends genetically modified cats back in time to save himself, it’s pretty neat. He really likes cats. And cat-girls. I’m sure some of this counts as the first furry literature to be published.

quote:

“She is a cat,” he thought. “That’s all she is—a cat!” But that was not how his mind saw her—quick beyond all dreams of speed, sharp, clever, unbelievably graceful, beautiful, wordless and undemanding.
Where would he ever find a woman who could compare with her?

Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015


Prism Mirror Lens posted:

Some 60s sci-fi has aged... interestingly


Yearghh!! Look out! The trans homosexuals are coming to kill your family... from space! (I still really like Cordwainer Smith stories though)

I recently read the rediscovery of man (the masterworks version, not the complete one as i sadly learned after) and this struck me as so out of place.
I can see a conservative slant and a clear bias of young and/or daring women falling in love with older establishment man in the stories, but the sheer hatred that comes across in the depiction of the same-sex society is so odd, even more considering the threats to humanity and horrors that appear throughout the whole book and are never treated with this revulsion.
Shame, because i really like the whole universe, and most of the stories are pretty neat, among the most interesting sf i read from that period, and as mentioned the cat bit of the story is really awesome.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003



I have repeatedly stated in this thread and the last SF&F thread that Cordwainer Smith aka Paul Linebarger was the god-father of the furry movement. His cat obsession and really wanting to gently caress cats, more specifically one pet cat he owned became more and more overt as he wrote.

The story his entire "rediscovery of man" cycle is based on is actually super creepy. It is 3 literal nazi child-brides from the past getting chain-married to the same immortal guy bored with utopian life that gets woke with German Nazi notNazi values leading to the rebirth of humanity thanks to World War 2 cryogenics, and Wernher von Braun.

In real life, Paul Linebarger aka Cordwainer Smith worked for the US Government during the peak white-washing Nazi's via Paperclips anti-communism years & also authored a book on disinformation called Psychological Warfare.....so it is possible that the creepiness in Cordwainer Smith's stories just got semi-explained.

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010



He was also Sun Yat-sen's godson, and iirc his dinner party trick was downing glasses of hydrochloric acid (he had digestive trouble).


This is a fun little book, I remember enjoying it; should be a good quarantine read. Her columns were also interesting.

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Kefahuchi_son!!!
Apr 23, 2015


quantumfoam posted:

I have repeatedly stated in this thread and the last SF&F thread that Cordwainer Smith aka Paul Linebarger was the god-father of the furry movement. His cat obsession and really wanting to gently caress cats, more specifically one pet cat he owned became more and more overt as he wrote.

The story his entire "rediscovery of man" cycle is based on is actually super creepy. It is 3 literal nazi child-brides from the past getting chain-married to the same immortal guy bored with utopian life that gets woke with German Nazi notNazi values leading to the rebirth of humanity thanks to World War 2 cryogenics, and Wernher von Braun.

In real life, Paul Linebarger aka Cordwainer Smith worked for the US Government during the peak white-washing Nazi's via Paperclips anti-communism years & also authored a book on disinformation called Psychological Warfare.....so it is possible that the creepiness in Cordwainer Smith's stories just got semi-explained.



Talking about cool writers being extremely shady people.This is very informative and explains a lot, i was dimly aware of his professional career, but such proclivities are often left out of summarized biographies (shame!!).
As far as i know there are just the short stories and the novella( Nostrillia, i think?), is there other source where i can read more about that bonkers story of the cycle?

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