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twistedmentat posted:Like he hated mesure of a man because in Rod's mind, there were no lawyers or courts, people's minds were just changed if thry acted "wrong". That is utterly horrifying Edit: And thanks for the tag!!!
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My take on Mariner is this What character in any ST show or movie is she most like? I have no idea, but for every other LD character, I can think of clear comparisons. She sticks out - she's not really a type of character we've seen before, it doesn't make sense that she's still in SF
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pyrotek posted:That is utterly horrifying If you can stomach Shatner narrating the whole thing, you really should track down and watch Chaos on the Bridge, a documentary on just what a nightmare disaster TNG's first two years really were as told by basically everyone involved in the process aside from Gene (for obvious reasons) and his infamous lawyer. It's really good.
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esperterra posted:ATTN STAR TRACK GOONS Glory to tiny Pixel Bernie Sanders! (Apologies for the gangtag spam)
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Pretty sure I've got everyone who requested a tag either cleared or queued atm. Sorry about the spam goonfriends! Under normal circumstances (aka ease of giving money to the site to buy things without it going to the wrong person) I'd cut off the free tags right about now, but I'm going to leave it open until the end of the weekend in case any stragglers want me to If anybody still wants it after that, I believe there is a way to donate straight to the site instead of going thru the channels that still flow to the 'tax atm. So if you want to buy a tag after Sunday PM me or try to get my attention in here or the Couch Chat thread if you don't have PMs.
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^^Really appreciate it! This is my first gangtag!^^zoux posted:My take on Mariner is this She feels like a mix of Wesley Crusher and Tom Paris to me. Especially after this episode, it seems like she used to be Wesley and became Tom. She might also be Jadzia taken to 11 a bit, though.
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twistedmentat posted:Why it has so many episodes based off unproduced TOS or phase 2 scripts. This happened literally twice: The Child in season 2, and Devil's Due in season 4.
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zoux posted:My take on Mariner is this Like a much more abrasive early 7 of 9.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:I already had a wall of text up in my mind about how not so good yet above average of voyager that episode is, even being an episode in a bottle even and how examples like Blink of an eye are better but nonetheless props to you for even mentioning my favourite VOYAGER NCC-74656. That's a strange way to spell Counterpoint
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She's Burnham but with emotiveness turned up from 0 to 11. E: yeah I can see a cartoon version of Tom Paris (probably tom at the point in his history before he did whatever got him sent to a penal camp). Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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MichiganCubbie posted:^^Really appreciate it! This is my first gangtag!^^ this is an excellent post. Paris came to mind first but he seemed to skew more towards malicious fuckup
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Who played Mariner's captain friend? Her voice sounded familiar, but I didn't see the credits because, uh, reasons. The show has really found its feet now, it seems. The Dog was a great B-plot (and my five-year-old son absolutely loved her, even in Thing mode), the pacing has settled down and found room to breathe, the past-Trek references aren't screamed into your face, and the flow of the storytelling and humour seems more confident. The match cut leading into Boimler's "-was what they were yelling!" was a perfectly-timed bit of comedy, as was the follow-up with the Edoan's "Boimler. Brad Boimler. Right here!" [three arms point at him] On a personal level, the sheer comforting nostalgia of having the right sound effects for everything (ie, TNG's) has probably helped me warm to the show as well. Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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Payndz posted:Who played Mariner's captain friend? Her voice sounded familiar, but I didn't see the credits because, uh, reasons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toks_Olagundoye I know her best as Mrs. Beakley in the Ducktales reboot.
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Timby posted:This happened literally twice: The Child in season 2, and Devil's Due in season 4. and TMP, which was the script "In Thy Image."
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[Checks list] The final season of Castle! I knew I recognised her voice...
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MichiganCubbie posted:and TMP, which was the script "In Thy Image." Yes, but twistedmentat was making the claim with regards to early-era TNG, not Trek in general. I don't know how the "a bunch of Phase II scripts got recycled for TNG" thing became an Accepted Fact, because it isn't true, just like how Shades of Gray wasn't a clip show because of a writers' strike, it was a clip show because they had no money.
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esperterra posted:ATTN STAR TRACK GOONS I too, would like to experience Bij, as well.
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nine-gear crow posted:If you can stomach Shatner narrating the whole thing, you really should track down and watch Chaos on the Bridge, a documentary on just what a nightmare disaster TNG's first two years really were as told by basically everyone involved in the process aside from Gene (for obvious reasons) and his infamous lawyer. Thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out soon. I found it on youtube in case anybody else is interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcO9XrkFvvw
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Timby posted:Yes, but twistedmentat was making the claim with regards to early-era TNG, not Trek in general. I don't know how the "a bunch of Phase II scripts got recycled for TNG" thing became an Accepted Fact, because it isn't true, just like how Shades of Gray wasn't a clip show because of a writers' strike, it was a clip show because they had no money. That's fair, I didn't dig further into the conversation. I do wonder if aspects of other scripts made it in in parts, but yeah, those two are the only two Phase 2 scripts.
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Enterprise also recycled scripts from previous shows. The difference was that said scripts had actually been filmed, sometimes less than a year earlier. 
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Doctor’s Orders is better than One. Fight me.
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I liked the new Lower Decks! I like Mariner, and enjoyed that she was taking a dive to avoid promotion, that felt a lot more in-character than her suddenly being dumb and it was neat to recontextualize cues from earlier - that nervous glance she gives when her friend makes her Number One isn't her being insecure about not being up to the job, it's her worrying she'll get the promotion she's been dodging by picking fights with her mother. If anything, it made me reexamine my assumptions a little, since the show clearly had my number for expecting a stock sitcom plot where one didn't fit. If you're looking for comeuppance, Boimler's right there. I enjoyed the absurdity of the ominous journey to the farm, and then just acknowledging at the end that "oh we should probably do something about the lighting, yeah, it's pretty creepy". Boimler narcing on his fellow freaks immediately was funny, as was him getting spaced right onto the surface of the paradise planet. Fair? Maybe not, but Boimler's a lot of fun to watch getting cosmically dunked on, and getting away with just fresh humiliation is par for the course. I only wish they did more to integrate Tendi and Boimler's plots, or given Rutherford a bigger part in Mariner's story. We still haven't seen the two main pairs switch up who they're working with for a plot, which is weird, and they passed up an opportunity here.
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MikeJF posted:Is that ship design a 40k reference? That's what their ships kinda look like and big swirly purple clouds is how they warp in, right? Not directly, but the whole situation had a very black ship of the Inquisition vibe to it, IMHO. It is a very unique looking Starfleet ship for sure.
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That salamander thing was definitely Paris and Janeway's love child right?
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twistedmentat posted:Season 1 of tng was bad almost entirely due to Big Rod trying to hold onto control by appointing his lawyer to be show runner. And yet Roddenberry had depicted trial scenes in the original series so if that were true, he was inconsistent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7WpNBDf6og While it's fun to envision a society where no one is in conflict with one another it doesn't make for very exciting or thought provoking television. As far as lower decks goes: it's star trek made by people who like and care about trek. It's reason enough for me to enjoy it. It also makes sense to me (although been discussed a bit before) that the lower decks ensigns are rife with references because they're fresh out of the academy having learned about the history and major missions of star fleet. They're geeks in a geeked up future, of course they cite trivia and bicker like geeks. It contrasts with the senior officers who only invoke the tropes of star trek like situations (how to engage in a diplomatic endeavor, trying to avoid armed conflict, etc.) but stay away from the nerd like references themselves. Folks also need to slow their roll on complaining about character development as the show just got started and they're clearly hoping it goes on a longer haul than one season. G-III fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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esperterra posted:Pretty sure I've got everyone who requested a tag either cleared or queued atm. Sorry about the spam goonfriends! hey listen anybody gives you poo poo lemme know ok? we're buds now you're cool
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the real bij was the friends we made along the way
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esperterra posted:the real bij was the friends we made along the way In a different reality, I could have experienced bij
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2020 has been the Year of Bij
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Timby posted:Yes, but twistedmentat was making the claim with regards to early-era TNG, not Trek in general. I don't know how the "a bunch of Phase II scripts got recycled for TNG" thing became an Accepted Fact, because it isn't true, just like how Shades of Gray wasn't a clip show because of a writers' strike, it was a clip show because they had no money. Two were straight up readapted, but a number of them were based on script outlines and ideas that had existed since the Phase 2 Scripts. Naked Now is one for example I have a big book about Phase 2 and it has scripts and outlines in it that mirror some season 1 and 2 TNG episodes perfectly. But i mean, some of these were just abstracts or "what if there were irish people in space?". Most episodes were original scripts in those seasons, but they were being written within the confines of Gene's "vision". And you cannot deny that a lot of season 1 and 2 episodes have a distinct feel of TOS episodes. Why I think Riker is the focus of most of the early episodes over Picard, because he can be the Kirk man of action, seducer of women thing. Triangulum Audio Studios on youtube has a series on TNG and talks about the issues of season 1 and 2. https://youtu.be/R6MioetqmI0 G-III posted:And yet Roddenberry had depicted trial scenes in the original series so if that were true, he was inconsistent. Yea, but remember Gene Roddenberry was hosed up on booze and coke and old age at the time, so he probably forgot. Or simply thought by the 24th century even the problems of TOS would have been worked out. But yea, when you cannot have conflict between your characters, you end up having aliens that are a thinly veiled conflict as a character. Besides turning into a cube, my favorite dog thing was when its head split open and two eyebats came out like it was a Souls boss.
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I liked that The Dog changed colour when it barked. Understated, but effective.
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esperterra posted:ATTN STAR TRACK GOONS I wish to Experience Bij
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Finally got to watch the new lower decks. Best one so far. I love The Dog.
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esperterra posted:If you would like to Tag me please! I'm very glad you're still giving this out. I'd been avoiding the thread until I had a chance to watch this week's episode, and was starting to worry I might be too late to experience genuine bij. 
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I agree that this week's episode of Lower Decks was really good. Kudos to whoever voiced the guy who was simultaneously aging and de-aging at the same time for managing to switch between old and young voices without sounding like he was voicing different people. I also liked how Tendi was weirded out when she finally met a real, normal dog. But my favorite bit of the episode was definitely, "Boim us up, Rutherford!"
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MachuPikacchu posted:I agree that this week's episode of Lower Decks was really good. Kudos to whoever voiced the guy who was simultaneously aging and de-aging at the same time for managing to switch between old and young voices without sounding like he was voicing different people. Nolan North
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MachuPikacchu posted:
Ew it licked me, weirdo. I liked how this episode put Tendy and Briomler together, if only briefly.
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