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xopods
Oct 26, 2010

Gamerofthegame posted:

why are you assuming

the spoony vote didn't seem very enthused in the first place don't assume some grand thread zeitgeist

that would be a scum push. . .

FWIW this guy has also been low-key pinging me and here he comes too to defend Spoonsy and the sudden out-of-nowhere Ixt votes.

Basically, there seem to be a whole lot of people who appear to care more about it not being Spoonsy than about it being anyone else in particular.

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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
Ixilton is a true American hero who has killed many a red... I will not vote ixilton today...

##vote spoonsy

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.

xopods posted:

FWIW this guy has also been low-key pinging me and here he comes too to defend Spoonsy and the sudden out-of-nowhere Ixt votes.

Basically, there seem to be a whole lot of people who appear to care more about it not being Spoonsy than about it being anyone else in particular.

i am playing defenseman for everyone

sandnavyguy
Sep 12, 2015

Monathin posted:

I'll flip to Ixt if the thread hivemind swings that way but I think Spoonsy is a better vote than Ixt overall, just my 2c.

Like I said a bit ago, I'm fairly certain some of the lurkers are scum, and everyone seems to be on the fence as to which one. I'm leaning spoonsy, but since the thread seems to be divided and swaying back and forth what makes you say Spoonsy a better vote? Is there anything obvious I'm missing?

xopods
Oct 26, 2010

Toalpaz posted:

Ixilton is a true American hero who has killed many a red... I will not vote ixilton today...

##vote spoonsy

Apparently you have to unvote even votes for no-lunch.

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

Gamerofthegame posted:

the spoony vote didn't seem very enthused in the first place don't assume some grand thread zeitgeist

This was kind of where I was at wrt the spoonsy vote, the impression I had was viewed as the default other option.

I don't feel a lot stronger about Ixt but wrt content at least spoonsy has some I guess? Although that might in itself be a better reason for a spoons vote. hm

xopods
Oct 26, 2010

sandnavyguy posted:

Is there anything obvious I'm missing?

Do what I did when it was between cheese and Spoonsy... ask yourself who else you think is Scum and read their history, see who it looks like they're trying to protect.

That's how I came to the conclusion that Spoonsy's the better option anyway. I don't know who you think is scum so maybe you'll reach a different conclusion, but in my mind anyway that seems like a reasonable way to choose between two otherwise similar candidates.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

sandnavyguy posted:

Like I said a bit ago, I'm fairly certain some of the lurkers are scum, and everyone seems to be on the fence as to which one. I'm leaning spoonsy, but since the thread seems to be divided and swaying back and forth what makes you say Spoonsy a better vote? Is there anything obvious I'm missing?

I haven't played with Ixt much but one of the times I did play with Ixt was during Myth Mafia, which a few people in here also played, in which myself - as scum - and like two other people across two scum teams got single-handedly blown to kingdom come by his JOAT play. If I remember he wasn't really a factor D1 but D2 he really turned it on and the result was that the two different scumteams and both of the SKs in that game got absolutely shitwreck annihilated.

If Ixt isn't cooking with gas D2 then obviously I'll change my tune but I've seen the havoc Ixt can wreck on a scumteam.

By contrast I have not really felt good about a single response Spoonsy has had here in the thread.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Maybe you shouldn't draw connections between unflipped players :angel:

chaoslord
Jan 28, 2009

Nature Abhors A Vacuum


cheese sandwich posted:

P sure I already told you I was throwing out reads as I saw them so I could refer back later. If I'm going to call someone scum I'd rather make sure I have context and/or something to back it up, if I threw out that I thought something was awkward or fake w/o a hard assertion it's probably something I might want to refer back to later.

I also feel like I don't have meta on anyone anymore and it's probably making me a little more tentative than I feel like I would be otherwise.

I guess we are just speaking two different mafia languages. If you're saying you're making reads, as you did above, to me, that means you are thinking if things are scummy or not. Which would mean that if you're saying "this is pinging me", it's something that jumps out to you as scummy. But you said that when you say something is pinging you that doesn't mean you find it scummy. I can't wrap my head around that, but if that's how you play, that's how you play. But, either way, deadlines just about here.

##unvote
##vote spoonsy

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


##vote Spoonsy

Where did this Ixt thing come from?

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


cheese sandwich posted:

It might be a bit late for this shift today but if we're looking at lurky people Ixtilton probably deserves a look more than spoonsy imo wrt actual content.

He's still here chiming in regularly but it's basically all bro posts. Unless this is a thing we expect? I don't remember him well. ph

With very quick follow up votes from Pmom/yuming

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo


Not casting shade until Spoonsy flips but if he flips scum that looks bad, with maybe the yuming vote being least bad, she had just stated she didn’t want to vote Spoons

cheese sandwich
Feb 9, 2009

Ixt will probably not happen today and I need to get back to work

##unvote
##vote spoons

Gamerofthegame
Oct 28, 2010

Could at least flip one or two, maybe.
##unvote
##vote spoons

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination
[quote="chaoslord" post="504617469"]
I guess we are just speaking two different mafia languages. If you're saying you're making reads, as you did above, to me, that means you are thinking if things are scummy or not. Which would mean that if you're saying "this is pinging me", it's something that jumps out to you as scummy. But you said that when you say something is pinging you that doesn't mean you find it scummy. I can't wrap my head around that, but if that's how you play, that's how you play. But, either way, deadlines just about here.

##unvote
##vote spoonsy
[/quote

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination

Gamerofthegame posted:

i am playing defenseman for everyone

;)

Spoonsy
Dec 6, 2005

Yeah, life is hilariously cruel.
Grimey Drawer
Wish I had something more than slightly socialist vanilla town to say I was.

xopods
Oct 26, 2010

Pinterest Mom posted:

Maybe you shouldn't draw connections between unflipped players :angel:

Ehhh, I think this nugget of conventional wisdom is a gross oversimplification... it's good advice to newbies to avoid them falling into certain common cognitive traps, but it's ridiculous if you take it to mean that you should never consider what certain interactions might imply if someone did flip a certain way.

If a bunch of people I think are all kinda scummy all seem to want something similar (in this case, not lunching Spoonsy), it makes me more inclined to do that thing. Doesn't mean a Spoonsy scum flip makes everyone on that list scum. It'd just make those people individually more likely to be Scum. I think about this game probabilistically.

Spoonsy
Dec 6, 2005

Yeah, life is hilariously cruel.
Grimey Drawer
Ecco I want a musical number. The regular.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

:redhammer:

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
:c: FINAL Day 1 Votecount :c:

Spoonsy (11): Moatillata, Atomic Soda, Monathin, Somberbrero, -Moatillata, Moatillata, merk, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, xopods, chaoslord, cheese sandwich, Gamerofthegame, Toalpaz
Ixtlilton (2): xopods, -xopods, Pinterest Mom, yuming, cheese sandwich, -cheese sandwich
cheese sandwich (2): chaoslord, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, -SHALASHASKA HAWKE, MisterJed, xopods, Gamerofthegame, Token Female, -xopods, -chaoslord, -Gamerofthegame
Somberbrero (1): chaoslord, -chaoslord, Pinterest Mom, Spoonsy, MisterJed, -MisterJed, -Pinterest Mom
SHALASHASKA HAWKE (1): merk, Somberbrero, MisterJed, Sandwolf, -Somberbrero, -merk, -MisterJed
b-minus1 (1): Ixtlilton, Moatillata, -Moatillata
Execute No One! (1): Toalpaz, b-minus1, -Toalpaz
chaoslord (0): yuming, -yuming
Moatillata (0): Atomic Soda, -Atomic Soda
Monathin (0): merk, -merk, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, -SHALASHASKA HAWKE
sandnavyguy (0): merk, -merk
MisterJed (0): chaoslord, -chaoslord
Jonathan Fisk (0): yuming, -yuming
Atomic Soda (0): Somberbrero, -Somberbrero
Pinterest Mom (0): xopods, sandnavyguy, -xopods, -sandnavyguy
Toalpaz (0): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, -SHALASHASKA HAWKE
Token Female (0): Monathin, -Monathin
yuming (0): SHALASHASKA HAWKE, -SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Token Female, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, -Token Female, -SHALASHASKA HAWKE

Not Voting (2): Jonathan Fisk, sandnavyguy


:h: 21 alive, 11 to execute.

==========================

As the day drew to a close the Councillors decided to vote out Spoonsy. He had always been a bit of a rabblerouser, often taking stands against popular actions and programs because of some moral principle or another. But, at least in the question of the Dux, he agreed with the majority wholeheartedly.

:s: Spoonsy, Chairman, Supplier & Trade Bureau (town-aligned vanilla), was executed Day 1. :s:

Night actions! You have, let's say, 12 hours from this post to submit them before I bother you about it. Please PM them to me. Thank you!

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
The following players have fewer posts than me:

Ixtlilton..... 19 posts
Gamerofthegame..... 17 posts
b-minus1..... 15 posts
Jonathan Fisk...... 13 posts
sandnavyguy..... 11 posts

They are encouraged to post more!

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
I have one outstanding night action. Please submit it before 10PM EDT / 7PM PDT / 12PM AEST. If you do not submit it in time, you will be twiddling your thumbs.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
The Councillors arose the next day to find, unsurprisingly, that more of their ranks had been killed. The first was Jonathan Fisk; he had a knife stabbed into his throat as he rested in his bed, and his face had frozen into a look of terror and betrayal. He was an innocent man who died a terrible death.

:s: Jonathan Fisk, Charter Executive, Sugarblock & Saltwork Co. (town-aligned mason), was stabbed to death night 1. :s:


A stranger death happened to cheese sandwich. His room was entirely burned, as if a massive fire had raged overnight, incinerating everything in its path, yet never left his room and completely flared out by morning. His bed, desk, and all his possessions were husks of black and grey ash. Except for one thing: near where his bed used to be sat a large emerald, a green island in this scorched ocean.

:s: cheese sandwich, Citizen, The Mason's Guild (town-aligned vanilla), was burned to a crisp night 1. :s:


A beautiful EMERALD is up for grabs! The first player to type ##take EMERALD acquires it.


The Councillors gathered in their main hall once again, ready to find -- what's this? Oh, how interesting. Someone has left, in the center of the hall, a special type of weapon! A steel tube stuffed with a metal bullet and explosive powder, called a "pestola." A little note next to it explains the function: "point this at your enemies and watch them be split to pieces!". Very interesting.

A strange and powerful WEAPON is up for grabs! The first player to type ##take PESTOLA acquires it, granting them the ability to kill someone during the day!



It is now Day 2.

:h: With 18 alive it takes 10 votes to be executed.
:d: Day 2 deadline: Thursday, May 7th, ~11PM EDT / ~8PM PDT / 1PM Friday AEST.


Good luck.

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
:c: The Current Day 2 Votecount :c:



Not Voting (18): Atomic Soda, b-minus1, chaoslord, cheese sandwich, Gamerofthegame, Ixtlilton, merk, Moatillata, Monathin, Pinterest Mom, sandnavyguy, Sandwolf, SHALASHASKA HAWKE, Somberbrero, Toalpaz, Token Female, xopods, yuming


:h: With 18 players alive, it takes 10 votes to be executed.
:d: The current deadline is May 07th, 2020 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 2 days, 2 hours from this post.

Atomic Soda
Jun 9, 2005

drink this baby
##take PESTOLA

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
##take emerald

Atomic Soda
Jun 9, 2005

drink this baby
##take EMERALD

Atomic Soda
Jun 9, 2005

drink this baby
nice


sorry spoonsy

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
##take EMERALD

EccoRaven
Aug 15, 2004

there is only one hell:
the one we live in now
Soda has the PESTOLA, merk has the EMERALD.

Hooray!

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

xopods posted:

Ehhh, I think this nugget of conventional wisdom is a gross oversimplification... it's good advice to newbies to avoid them falling into certain common cognitive traps, but it's ridiculous if you take it to mean that you should never consider what certain interactions might imply if someone did flip a certain way.

If a bunch of people I think are all kinda scummy all seem to want something similar (in this case, not lunching Spoonsy), it makes me more inclined to do that thing. Doesn't mean a Spoonsy scum flip makes everyone on that list scum. It'd just make those people individually more likely to be Scum. I think about this game probabilistically.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Maybe you shouldn't draw connections between unflipped players :angel:

Atomic Soda
Jun 9, 2005

drink this baby
birb did you kill cheese?

moat remember the sub game? watch out for scum bearing gifts

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?
Hello friends it's nice to see you 🙂

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact
##vote sandnavyguy

Looking over game with new flips.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

EccoRaven posted:


:s: Jonathan Fisk, Charter Executive, Sugarblock & Saltwork Co. (town-aligned mason), was stabbed to death night 1. :s:

:s: cheese sandwich, Citizen, The Mason's Guild (town-aligned vanilla), was burned to a crisp night 1. :s:


Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

I think Somber looks worse than ever w the spoonsy town flip~

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

ꜱʜʀɪᴍᴘ?

Pinterest Mom posted:

I think Somber looks worse than ever w the spoonsy town flip~

Well I think that's silly and hurtful. I voted for someone and they flipped Town. Alas, it happens.

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Atomic Soda
Jun 9, 2005

drink this baby

Pinterest Mom posted:

I think Somber looks worse than ever w the spoonsy town flip~

why somber?



Somberbrero posted:

Hello friends it's nice to see you 🙂

hello! hope you no longer feeling blue : )

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