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Louisgod posted:it's pretty funny your response to a chart clearly noting that vaccine hesitancy was consistent before the J&J pause is to regale people with some idiotic anecdote as if that somehow trumps the fact there's a built in ceiling of our population that will never get a vaccine under their own volition There are people who I can't convince regardless of how much time I spend making the argument to get vaccinated, and there are people who first say they're against getting the vaccine but who change their minds rapidly after I address their concerns and package the whole thing as fear of missing out. You know how polls can sometimes be a little (ha) off, or not reveal the whole truth of shifting public opinion? That's what I'm posting about. People's beliefs change, especially as they see how other people are faring post-vaccine.
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MadJackal posted:There are people who I can't convince regardless of how much time I spend making the argument to get vaccinated 10 minutes of talking to you will never match up to hours of media coverage/back and forth between peers, etc. its MATH
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Delta-Wye posted:top reply on the news story about WA pausing phase changes to protect king county from reality: Seattleites think Enumclaw is rural.
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May 4, 2021 23:01
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MadJackal posted:I am flat out telling you that I've had to give up on trying to convince people to consider getting the J&J vaccine because of the concern about clots. It's radioactive to some people even after going over the 1 : 7.2 million fatality rate. Do you think those same people would be lining up to get the J&J shot had there not been a pause? If there are enough mRNA doses to go around then who gives a poo poo? That has been the core logic of the pause since the beginning and I'm sorry to say they were probably right. The people who are absolute "no's" on the vaccine aren't getting one either way, and the people on the fence are far more likely to sign up for mRNA shots than J&J even if it is almost 100% a branding and psychology thing and not some objective beep boop risk benefit/assessment. Pausing J&J may have even increased people's willingness and/or urgency to get in on pfizer/moderna, as stupid as that sounds. Since the vaccination rollout in the US is gated by hesitancy more than supply, what's the point of giving out the off-brand vaccine when you already have more doses than you can give away without it? The fact that J&J production was an absolute gongshow just sealed it's fate. Edit: and if vaccine manufacturers are saying it's even odds or better that people need subsequent boosters anyway, not having to deal with a vector based prime shot arguably simplifies things, too Morbus has issued a correction as of 23:04 on May 4, 2021 |
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MadJackal posted:I am flat out telling you that I've had to give up on trying to convince people to consider getting the J&J vaccine because of the concern about clots. It's radioactive to some people even after going over the 1 : 7.2 million fatality rate. That might very well be in your case (which is going to have some sampling bias due to your location/patient pool), but it isn't borne out in the larger numbers. The number of people truly opposed to being vaccinated has held steady at around 25%, while the number of people who are hesitant has been steadily dropping, at a rate which the J&J pause did not impact. Since those people aren't ending up in the "no" camp, that means they're either wanting to get vaccinated now, or they already have been.
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May 4, 2021 23:03
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just get J&J every month. nobody wants it? i'll take it all
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May 4, 2021 23:05
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I got my 2nd Pfizer shot around 11am this morning, when do I start feelin' the effects cuz so far I've been navigating things fairly fine.
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U-DO Burger posted:i dunno if there was even a winning move to keep everything on track once we discovered the blood clot complications. refusing to pause the vaccine rollout wouldn't have gotten rid of all the bloot clot news stories No, they really obviously made the wrong move and it's not even close, particularly given the extreme rarity of the side effects. COVID itself is something like 10x-50x more likely to trigger those clot issues. Millions less people in total will be vaccinated now, and tens of thousands more will die. J&J was the best (only, really) option for vulnerable populations in the US since it's already hard to get vulnerable people out for even a single shot, much less two times shots. Now opinion has turned against it after the combined media + social media fear machine took off. The government is too cheap to pay people to vaccinate and most people are badly spooked by exploding brain syndrome vs. "it's just the flu." Vox Nihili has issued a correction as of 23:08 on May 4, 2021 |
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I would like this office, please. https://twitter.com/ed_solomon/status/1389585294182260742?s=19
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May 4, 2021 23:07
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There's enough pfizer that everyone should get it. It is the cadillac of vaccines.
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Beached Whale posted:I got my 2nd Pfizer shot around 11am this morning, when do I start feelin' the effects cuz so far I've been navigating things fairly fine. I started feeling fever and chills 10 hours in. Most people I've seen have said 12-14 hours though.
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This whole "controversy" over the J&J pause is just putting the cart before the horse. People see that the vaccination rate in the US is stalling out due to hesitancy, and are blaming it on the J&J pause. In reality, vaccine hesitancy has been dropping steadily but has nonetheless always been high enough that by the time J&J got it's poo poo together, there was inevitably an overabundance of mRNA vaccines. At that point it doesn't matter if the risk is 1:100,000,000, you've got a branding issue and nobody is going to want that poo poo if the shelves are full of pfizer/moderna and it's all free.
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May 4, 2021 23:11
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Vox Nihili posted:No, they obviously made the wrong move and it's not even close. Millions less people in total will be vaccinated now, and tens of thousands more will die. J&J was the best (only, really) option for vulnerable populations in the US. Now opinion has turned against it after the combined media + social media fear machine took off. The government is too cheap to pay people to vaccinate and most people are badly spooked by exploding brain syndrome vs. "it's just the flu." The argument is people would have abandoned JJ no matter what the govt did aside from completely suppressing all reports of the clotting issue. TBH people can just rewrite history however they like wrt what the optimal response was, cat's out of the bag now. Overall it underlines how stupid a vaccine based elimination strategy always was, and the people angriest about the pause tend to be those that supported this dumb strategy the most.
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Bullfrog posted:the entire pandemic as well as this thread has always had big DF vibes When possible, he prefers to consume BEANS
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Businesses will continue to do as they like in Florida. Business is law.
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fosborb posted:lol just the absolute loving worst cyberpunk future is here for real lmao at how lowkey dystopia vibes this is
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May 4, 2021 23:17
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that 2-11 shot time really loving needed to be July, I’ll seriously lie about my son moving to VA with my wife’s family and hold him out of school until 2 weeks after his second shot if I have to, not gonna fumble at the 1 here.
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The Indian variants will make pretty quick work of the non-vaccinated. Look out Lebron it's comin'
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Lacrosse posted:I suppose that sounds reasonable. I just checked the daily stats thread on r/coronavirusWA and it looks like King County is at 15.8/100,000. For my area it's 18.5 at the city level. The original "10 per 100k" rate figure was from Fauci himself, in one of his innumerable press appearances, but the rate was 10 per 100k IN A WEEK, not in a day lolllll
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https://twitter.com/bydavidcrow/status/1389564297727074309 death to america
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A reminder that if you get on an airplane currently your risk assessment needs it include consideration that you are getting on an airplane with the kind of person who thinks it's a good idea to fly for vacation right now. https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1389531505643466755?s=19
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Koirhor posted:that 2-11 shot time really loving needed to be July, I’ll seriously lie about my son moving to VA with my wife’s family and hold him out of school until 2 weeks after his second shot if I have to, not gonna fumble at the 1 here. Seriously, if the shot is available in Sept can see a lot of parents sticking to remote who would otherwise have sent the kids back to in-person school if nothing was coming until 2022. Why risk infection literally a couple of weeks before vaccination. Of course only talking about the subset of parents who didn't send their kids back months ago.
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Shifty Pony posted:huh, my city is at 7.1/100k and testing rates haven't dropped precipitously. quoting you too on average this would still be 4x higher than the fauci threshold. the feshold
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Yea I am starting to believe the Malthusian intentions of the western world.
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Biden saying they still expect to get 70% vaccinated. Woof. We'll be lucky to make 55% now.
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Morbus posted:This whole "controversy" over the J&J pause is just putting the cart before the horse. People see that the vaccination rate in the US is stalling out due to hesitancy, and are blaming it on the J&J pause. In reality, vaccine hesitancy has been dropping steadily but has nonetheless always been high enough that by the time J&J got it's poo poo together, there was inevitably an overabundance of mRNA vaccines. At that point it doesn't matter if the risk is 1:100,000,000, you've got a branding issue and nobody is going to want that poo poo if the shelves are full of pfizer/moderna and it's all free. Yeah, this. J&J was just too late to market. Pausing it was 1,000% the right decision, too, for two reasons. First, we didn't know what was going on. If it was something that could be identified so that we could determine who was at risk before vaccinating them, then we would just have to add some additional guidance when J&J shots are given and, boom, problem solved. Also, given how little of a poo poo anybody gives about women's health (especially in clinical trials), the fact that it only showed up in women at first definitely was worrying. Second, if they hadn't taken some time to track down what was going on, there was a very real risk of the antivaxxers convincing people that there was other poo poo wrong with the rest of the vaccines, but the government was covering it up. There are a lot of ways the government has hosed up the pandemic response, but pausing J&J was not one of them.
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Erik Baker posted:A survey of the data from nine of the most populous counties in the U.S. revealed that the suicide rate in these places increased in 2020 by 17 percent among Black people, 14 percent among Latinos, and 9 percent among Asians, while it fell for white people by 15 percent. Contrary to the predictions of anti-lockdown activists, the suicide surge was concentrated in communities where people were disproportionately likely to have no choice but to continue working in person. https://www.thedriftmag.com/other-peoples-despair/ what if misery because of your status as an essential worker is more likely to cause suicide than being forced to binge netflix and get groceries delivered
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Thoguh posted:A reminder that if you get on an airplane currently your risk assessment needs it include consideration that you are getting on an airplane with the kind of person who thinks it's a good idea to fly for vacation right now. normal country quote:In a typical year, the transportation agency sees 100 to 150 formal cases of bad passenger behavior. But since the start of this year, the agency said, the number of reported cases has jumped to 1,300, an even more remarkable number since the number of passengers remains below pre-pandemic levels. quote:“What we have seen on our planes is flight attendants being physically assaulted, pushed, choked,” Nelson said. “We have a passenger urinate. We had a passenger spit into the mouth of a child on board.
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Gunshow Poophole posted:The original "10 per 100k" rate figure was from Fauci himself, in one of his innumerable press appearances, but To clarify the 15.8/100,000 figure is the 7 day average for King County. I just meant that the person making these threads makes an update every day. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusWA/comments/n4b5et/washington_state_1069_average_new_cases_on_51_and Edit: whoops I hosed up and read the wrong line. There's 110 positive cases per 100,000 in King County, OP was right 15.8 is the daily average Lacrosse has issued a correction as of 23:33 on May 4, 2021 |
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Lacrosse posted:To clarify the 15.8/100,000 figure is the 7 day average for King County. I just meant that the person making these threads makes an update every day. That link says the seven day average is 110/100k and 15.8/199k is the daily average over the last seven days
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Lacrosse posted:What we should've done is disband the FDA and jail any journalists reporting on vaccines. Sounds like Christmas 2021
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Thoguh posted:That link says the seven day average is 110/100k and 15.8/199k is the daily average over the last seven days Yeah I hosed up and read the wrong line. I'm fully justified in continuing to hermit
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Vox Nihili posted:Biden saying they still expect to get 70% vaccinated. Woof. We'll be lucky to make 55% now. Step 1: vaccines compulsory for military service Step 2: draft everybody bing bong so simple
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yeah in context, iirc, the Liar Fauci was referring to a sum total of weekly positives as a rate per 100k people. it’s unsurprising that that’s his threshold to not worry because I can’t possibly see how the virus even sustains itself there, because that’s less than 2 cases per 100k people per day, implying a very very low R value. Even in the densest area of the country, say 20,000 people per square mile, it’d be really difficult for the infection to not just sputter out
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