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Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



A few months ago I was reading something about the creation of Indiana Jones, and there was a part about how Lucas wanted to put into the script that Indy hosed Marion when she was like fourteen. They argued about it, and settled on removing any explicit references to it.

I read that and thought, "gross George", and forgot about it.

Then I watched the movie tonight and it all came back. It's all over the first half of the movie, even before we meet Marion there's a scene where Indy says something about how he had been friends with Dr. Ravenwood, but then they had a falling out. Yeah, that tends to happen when you gently caress their underage daughter.

Then when we meet Marion we get this exchange:

quote:

[Marion surprises him with a right cross to the jaw]

Marion: I've learned to hate you in the last ten years!

Indiana: I never meant to hurt you.

Marion: I was a child. I was in love. It was wrong and you knew it!

Indiana: You knew what you were doing.

Marion: Now I do. This is my place. Get out!

Some more lighthearted dialog:

quote:

[talking about Marion's late father]

Marion: He said you were a bum.

Indiana: Aw, he's being generous.

Marion: The most gifted bum he ever trained. You know, he loved you like a son... took a hell of a lot for you to alienate him.

Indiana: Not much... just you.

This was one of my favorite movies, but now I can only see it as an abusive child fucker dragging one of his victims around the world on an adventure. I had to nope out after like 40 minutes, their chemistry is a lot less charming with the backstory.

I'm really hoping that there aren't a bunch of hidden child loving references in the Last Crusade, that one was always my favorite.

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Barudak
May 7, 2007



Not that you had any high esteem for Crystal Skull most likely, but then she marries him.

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.

Lawrence Kasdan: And he was forty-two.

George Lucas: He hasnt seen her in twelve years. Now shes twenty-two. Its a real strange relationship.

Steven Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two.

George Lucas: Hes thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.

Steven Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him.

George Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know its an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once shes sixteen or seventeen its not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Bread Liar

I would gently caress the hell outta old Marion idgaF

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


Lucas: We can tell parallel stories. We cut back to the girl, and the villains come back. This will be the first time we actually see the French guy and the Nazis. This is the first time we see the real villains. We have, a scene with the villains torturing the girl a little bit, surprise sex her, talk about the fact that theyre not finding the Ark.

Spielberg: She should be screaming his name, shes so pissed off. He had to tie her up, otherwise they would know that he was around. At the same time, there are people raping and torturing her.

Lucas: I was using that facetiously.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


new star wars: older woman grooms young boy
indiana jones: statutory surprise sex
old star wars: incest
american graffiti: both older woman and lolita themes
thx 1138: ????

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week


oh right how could I forget
howard the duck: A WOMAN HAS SEX WITH A DUCK

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

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Bread Liar

Klyith posted:


thx 1138: ????

Incell

Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Steven Spielberg: What if in this one we meet Indy's dad, and they have a complicated relationship? We could start the movie on a flashback to his childhood, we could show Indy out on an adventure as a kid, maybe he's a boy scout.

George Lucas: Oh that's perfect! He's in the boy scouts, and you know, it could be hilarious if we reveal that he's been having sex with his adult scout leader.

Steven Spielberg: Indy has to be very young for this to work, 10, 12 tops. And the scout leader should be hot, like really hot, and he's wearing the Indiana Jones hat.

George Lucas: drat, that's good. He could give him the hat after they have sex! And then when he comes home his dad says, "Where did you get that hat!?", and rapes him a bit.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~


Grimey Drawer

All Directors Are Pedophiles

All Producers Are Pedophiles

Not sure about Best Boy or Dolly Grip

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018



Pillbug

Klyith posted:

oh right how could I forget
howard the duck: A WOMAN HAS SEX WITH A DUCK

It's a pretty charming duck tho you gotta admit.

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003

lEt'S mOsEy





Icochet posted:

All Directors Are Pedophiles

All Producers Are Pedophiles

Not sure about Best Boy or Dolly Grip

Best Boy sounds like a pedophile's dream

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

I rewatched all 3 recently and despite Raiders having the greatest number of iconic & awesome scenes, it's actually not as good a movie I reckon.

Temple gets a lot of poo poo but really doesn't have many faults at all.
Last Crusade is the best.

Xenocides
Jan 14, 2008

This world looks very scary....

Icochet posted:

Not sure about Best Boy or Dolly Grip

I think they have sex with each other but everyone says it is consensual.

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


No matter what the first thing I remember about Howard the Duck is the duck titties.

Is there any other movie in existence that has duck titties? I don't believe so, no.

Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005



Xenocides posted:

I think they have sex with each other but everyone says it is consensual.

No, the Dolly Grip gives hand jobs at craft services. It's right there in the name.

Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005



Dell_Zincht posted:

pedophile's dream

That was the original job title until until a 1953 contract renegotiation.

Tip posted:

A few months ago I was reading something about the creation of Indiana Jones, and there was a part about how Lucas wanted to put into the script that Indy hosed Marion when she was like fourteen.

I don't know it you're being deliberately obtuse, but it's common knowledge that Lucas had the issue fixed in the novelization. In the book it's clearly stated that when they first met and had a relationship he was only seventeen.










...Still problematic though considering Marion was five.

Frankenstyle fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jun 5, 2020

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat


Indiana Jones is a statutory rapist

Meredith Baxter-Burnout
Jul 4, 2003

It's okay to watch child porn if you don't touch your dick, just raises awareness man.



Just wait until the ephibophile community hears about this.

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Feb 17, 2011

meat


Indiana Jomes hosed me

Dell_Zincht
Nov 5, 2003

lEt'S mOsEy





Indiana Jones more like Indiana Groans amirite

EVERY TIME GOING
Mar 17, 2006



Class: Reptilia
Genus: Iguana
Name: Jones

Meredith Baxter-Burnout
Jul 4, 2003

It's okay to watch child porn if you don't touch your dick, just raises awareness man.



Raiders of the Chaste Butt

Frankenstyle
Dec 3, 2005



Lil Swamp Booger Baby posted:

Indiana Jones is a statutory rapist

Well it's not like they even tried to hide it.

Hardon Crime
Jan 15, 2020

hubba hubba


SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.

Lawrence Kasdan: And he was forty-two.

George Lucas: He hasnt seen her in twelve years. Now shes twenty-two. Its a real strange relationship.

Steven Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two.

George Lucas: Hes thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.

Steven Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him.

George Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know its an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once shes sixteen or seventeen its not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he

Dixville
Nov 4, 2008

I have always depended on the kindness of strangers.


Ham Wrangler

I am actually weird and just watched the indiana jones movies last year, never saw them as a kid. I noticed this when i watched it and it did creep me out. Sorry op that you had one of your favorite movies ruined

Captain Jesus
Feb 26, 2009

What's wrong with you? You don't even have your beer goggles on!!


Lucas is obviously the one championing this horrible idea and while Spielberg and Kasdan are not really on board, neither of the says "George, what the gently caress?". They're like "ok, interesting".

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

I thought it was time you had a new av so typed in random picture and this is what came up


Kinda puts Anakin in a different light too huh

Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



Klyith posted:

new star wars: older woman grooms young boy
indiana jones: statutory surprise sex
old star wars: incest
american graffiti: both older woman and lolita themes
thx 1138: ????

Klyith posted:

oh right how could I forget
howard the duck: A WOMAN HAS SEX WITH A DUCK

Also Indiana Jones: he and his dad gently caress the same lady

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!




I think that we should all thank the heavens that the prequels sucked for completely unrelated reasons.

Tip
Mar 21, 2006

Your move, creep.



By popular demand posted:

I think that we should all thank the heavens that the prequels sucked for completely unrelated reasons.

I'm honestly surprised that George Lucas, with complete control and surrounded by yes men, managed to let the younglings off so easy.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

Turns out he stole from a lot of weird 70s porn as well.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

I thought it was time you had a new av so typed in random picture and this is what came up


I'm just sayin they had to cut Yoda's sex subplot for a reason

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009


boy you are gonna be real upset when u realize last crusade is one long paean to paternal incest

Hardon Crime
Jan 15, 2020

hubba hubba


What about Spielberg I always hear he's connected to the uh potentially global network of rich creeps

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer

The plainest cup being the holy grail is a reference to the unskilled workmanship of youth.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001


SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

No matter what the first thing I remember about Howard the Duck is the duck titties.

Is there any other movie in existence that has duck titties? I don't believe so, no.

The Duck titty porn industry has annual earning the equivalent to Sweden's GDP. (mostly as that there only industry.)

So yeah in short if you want to see more duck titties movie go to Sweden

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012




Bleak Gremlin

It's one of those things that I strongly ignore so that I can enjoy the movie.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007



Exciting Lemon

SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

George Lucas: I was thinking that this old guy could have been his mentor. He could have known this little girl when she was just a kid. Had an affair with her when she was eleven.

Lawrence Kasdan: And he was forty-two.

George Lucas: He hasn’t seen her in twelve years. Now she’s twenty-two. It’s a real strange relationship.

Steven Spielberg: She had better be older than twenty-two.

George Lucas: He’s thirty-five, and he knew her ten years ago when he was twenty-five and she was only twelve. It would be amusing to make her slightly young at the time.

Steven Spielberg: And promiscuous. She came onto him.

George Lucas: Fifteen is right on the edge. I know it’s an outrageous idea, but it is interesting. Once she’s sixteen or seventeen it’s not interesting anymore. But if she was fifteen and he was twenty-five and they actually had an affair the last time they met. And she was madly in love with him and he…

It's such a twist when Spielberg at first is like "uh let's not make Indy a kiddie raper" and then veers over to "oh right she wanted it. hot."

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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


George Lucas just enjoys loving with the audience and making them uncomfortable after the fact. Like in Star Wars how all the droids are obviously sentient intelligent lifeforms but are treated like walking iPhones. Or in the prequels how the clones are literal slaves bred to be soldiers but this goes completely uncommented on by the heroes who deploy them.

For Indy, Spielberg and Kasdan give it just enough plausible deniability that the situation isn't literal, but still retain some of that creepiness Lucas was going after.

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