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Life Persists, and Middy is there to help guide the next era.
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This is not the outcome I had expected for that plot thread, but I am glad to have it.
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Sep 17, 2020 16:14
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That is a truly outstanding resolution to that thread. Dragon Dad... No.. Hot Dragon Grandpa rules.
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Sep 17, 2020 16:24
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I'm glad for them and all, but aren't the Ascians still active in the alternate timeline? I guess a new WoL will stand up when that time comes.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:19
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Vitamean posted:I'm glad for them and all, but aren't the Ascians still active in the alternate timeline? Maybe Gaius got them
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Sep 17, 2020 19:20
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it'd be sick as hell if after we died gaius ended up icing the remaining ascians, including his country's founder, before getting owned by his own death gas correction: it would not, in fact, be "sick as hell"
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Sep 17, 2020 19:21
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Vitamean posted:I'm glad for them and all, but aren't the Ascians still active in the alternate timeline? My honest bet is that they hosed up with Black Rose. Black Rose specifically targets aether and while we don't know what it does to Ascians it is entirely possible it wrecked Emet-Selch's poo poo. With him gone you're basically in the same position as now maybe plus a Warrior of Light
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Sep 17, 2020 19:30
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Time travel is beyond the Ascians, right? Because if they had known about being able to unwrite history, they would probably be doing it
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Sep 17, 2020 20:07
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Time travel is beyond the Ascians, right? Correct. That's a big part of why we're able to succeed in ShB, they had no idea it was possible and this took them completely by surprise. The Exarch is the outside context problem for the Ascians, and the monkey wrench that we use to derail the Ascians once and for all.
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Sep 17, 2020 20:29
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A big part of it is that it involves things Ascians just can't or won't understand, including a weird primal who broke rules they assumed were unbreakable being reverse-engineered by 'lesser beings' using technology from space aliens. They are so focused on being the Best Society that it genuinely never occurred to them that other people could do things they can't.
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Sep 17, 2020 20:34
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the ironworks figured out time travel using technology reverse engineered from a space alien, and the immortal interdimensional wizards were blindsided by that plus the giant tower built by a society that reverse engineered space alien tech. huh.
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Sep 17, 2020 21:47
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also after the people who reverse engineered time travel from space aliens sent back a catboy in a giant crystal tower to save the past, a gigantic space alien refugee woke up to protect them
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Sep 17, 2020 21:48
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the story of G'raha/the ironworks in the black rose future really gives the lie to Emet-Selch's narrative: when faced with the end of the world, he thinks that the current sundered inhabitants of the star could not save it like the Ancients did. But in exactly that situation, they performed a feat just as ridiculous as the summoning of Zodiark. And while it isn't half the population, G'Raha was willing to sacrifice himself to see that plan to completion, just like the Ancients were
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Sep 17, 2020 21:54
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Farg posted:the ironworks figured out time travel using technology reverse engineered from a space alien, and the immortal interdimensional wizards were blindsided by that plus the giant tower built by a society that reverse engineered space alien tech. alejandro isn't a space alien. space travel is alien tech.
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Sep 17, 2020 21:55
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I haven't read the new story so maybe it clarifies but my recollection from the Twinning notes is that time travel was reverse engineered from Alexander, and they reverse engineered Omega to figure out how to aim the crystal tower's existing rift-traveling technology at a new place without getting lost
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Sep 17, 2020 21:56
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cheetah7071 posted:I haven't read the new story so maybe it clarifies but my recollection from the Twinning notes is that time travel was reverse engineered from Alexander, and they reverse engineered Omega to figure out how to aim the crystal tower's existing rift-traveling technology at a new place without getting lost yeah this
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Sep 17, 2020 22:08
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The thing is, Shadowbringers is very much about how sacrifice is not all that it's cracked up to be, and is frequently a way of putting your burdens on other people, so interpret the Amaurotians' willingness to blow themselves up to make a god to fix everything in terms of that.
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Vitamean posted:alejandro isn't a space alien. space travel is alien tech. Yeah but the ironworks reverse engineered both alexander and omega to do their thing. Also I'm so glad that they made sure that the "doomed timeline" had hope of its own. 
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SirSamVimes posted:Yeah but the ironworks reverse engineered both alexander and omega to do their thing. They more than deserve it!
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Also the new Astral Era is spearheaded by the Ironworks and guided by Midgardsormir does that mean high tech dragon society?
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Sep 17, 2020 23:54
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hraesvelgr vrtra and azdaja show up to have a big party
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Sep 18, 2020 00:23
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SirSamVimes posted:Also the new Astral Era is spearheaded by the Ironworks and guided by Midgardsormir does that mean high tech dragon society? Tiamat ends her period of mourning, becomes queen of the world. Everybody dances.
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The Omega toy everyone thought was just an intricate model emits a flash of light revealing the alien machina newly remade. Breaking the tension, an unexpected voice is heard among the stunned onlookers. "I now understand hope and want to help you build a better tomorrow." After reading the side stories, Lahabrea certainly had some very particular interests. 
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Sep 18, 2020 09:52
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look when everyone around you has the fashion sense of a garbage bag you have to get creative
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Sep 18, 2020 12:12
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lahabrea would 100% write ice king style mildly creepy genderswap fanfics
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Sep 18, 2020 12:23
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Elidibus absolutely shipped his friends.
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Sep 18, 2020 13:34
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Does anyone else think the Sound that destroyed the ancients' civilization will eventually return as a major antagonist? After the Hydaelyn and Zodiark conflict is resolved, it would be interesting to see a malevolent cosmic entity outside of the Light and Dark balance. Something similar to Marvel's The One Below All is what I'd like, who is distinct from Death and Oblivion because rather than just being an abstract personification, IT wants to inflict suffering, death, and ruin out of genuine sadism and hatred towards life/existence. That idea also makes me wonder if Zenos is not only a direct Ascian descendant but carries a shard of the Sound's soul itself if it's a legit entity.
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Sep 18, 2020 21:14
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My current speculation is that after 6.0 is supposed to resolve both the Garlean conflict and the Ascians, that 7.0 will be about The Sound, yeah, and either center on how Meracydia or The New World is critical to that
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Tekne posted:Does anyone else think the Sound that destroyed the ancients' civilization will eventually return as a major antagonist? After the Hydaelyn and Zodiark conflict is resolved, it would be interesting to see a malevolent cosmic entity outside of the Light and Dark balance. Something similar to Marvel's The One Below All is what I'd like, who is distinct from Death and Oblivion because rather than just being an abstract personification, IT wants to inflict suffering, death, and ruin out of genuine sadism and hatred towards life/existence. That idea also makes me wonder if Zenos is not only a direct Ascian descendant but carries a shard of the Sound's soul itself if it's a legit entity.  Turns out there's a reason for that  crossover. The YoRHa raid's gonna be MSQ required by 7.0 
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Sep 18, 2020 21:37
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HenryEx posted:
As dumb as it would be I would still love if the Cardinal Virtues were caused by White Chlorination Syndrome.
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Sep 18, 2020 21:41
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Eimi posted:As dumb as it would be I would still love if the Cardinal Virtues were caused by White Chlorination Syndrome. Remember that Anogg and Konogg breathed in funny dust at the Copied Factory 
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Sep 18, 2020 21:46
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HenryEx posted:
The white ring of death that the first boss in Puppet's Bunker casts is called Life's Last Song, and it's visually identical to the ring of music the last boss from ending E of Drakengard casts. Prepare to regret your choices.
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Sep 18, 2020 22:08
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Tekne posted:Does anyone else think the Sound that destroyed the ancients' civilization will eventually return as a major antagonist? After the Hydaelyn and Zodiark conflict is resolved, it would be interesting to see a malevolent cosmic entity outside of the Light and Dark balance. Something similar to Marvel's The One Below All is what I'd like, who is distinct from Death and Oblivion because rather than just being an abstract personification, IT wants to inflict suffering, death, and ruin out of genuine sadism and hatred towards life/existence. That idea also makes me wonder if Zenos is not only a direct Ascian descendant but carries a shard of the Sound's soul itself if it's a legit entity. I've been seeing guesses about a Jenova/Lavos-like source of the sound for a while, so you're definitely not the only one. It seems likely to me, right now.
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Sep 18, 2020 22:35
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Tekne posted:Does anyone else think the Sound that destroyed the ancients' civilization will eventually return as a major antagonist? After the Hydaelyn and Zodiark conflict is resolved, it would be interesting to see a malevolent cosmic entity outside of the Light and Dark balance. Something similar to Marvel's The One Below All is what I'd like, who is distinct from Death and Oblivion because rather than just being an abstract personification, IT wants to inflict suffering, death, and ruin out of genuine sadism and hatred towards life/existence. That idea also makes me wonder if Zenos is not only a direct Ascian descendant but carries a shard of the Sound's soul itself if it's a legit entity. Pretty much definitely imo to the first part. We're supposedly reaching the end of the Zodiark arc, and having nothing on that scale to deal with in the future would be pretty anticlimactic, so yeah that was probably a seed being planted. I don't think Zenos will be directly related to it in that way though.
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The Sound itself sounds a lot like the description of the Ancients in VII discussing Jenova. And really it was either going to be Jenova or Lavos.
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I was thinking more Lavos
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Sep 19, 2020 01:38
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Counterpoint: Soken remix of J-E-N-O-V-A
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Sep 19, 2020 01:39
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We did get a great remix of that song this year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5IUOa4wms But I guess there's always room for another
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Sep 19, 2020 01:44
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Since we're talking about 7.0, that gives us at least three years gap.
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Waffleman_ posted:Counterpoint: Soken remix of J-E-N-O-V-A Counter-counterpoint: Soken arrangement of CT/CC music
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