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Play posted:Also, add Jamal Adams and Robbie Anderson the the LONG list of former players under Gase who somehow seem to be instantly more talented the second they leave. Benne articulated something I've been thinking about Gase for a while too which is that he doesn't seem to actually have any love or passion for football. He always looks like he just came down from a three day meth binge and nothing in this world could possibly make him happy
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I guess we have to conclude BOB is the superior "became a head coach on the basis of briefly being the OC to a HOF QB who could audible out of any plays they disliked."
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sean10mm posted:I guess we have to conclude BOB is the superior "became a head coach on the basis of briefly being the OC to a HOF QB who could audible out of any plays they disliked." Made me curious about Peyton's other OCs and Tom Moore was basically a lifer huh? Like if you can't get a HC job after coaching Peyton Manning for 12 goddamned years it's because you don't want to. I mean he was also ancient but I feel like someone would have taken a shot if he'd wanted one.
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Pretty much. Supposedly the only time he interviewed for a head coaching position was with the Lions in 2006, and they hired Rod Marinelli instead. He’d been their OC for a few years in the mid-90s, notably the 1995 season when they had a really good offense with Scott Mitchell at QB of all things (Herman Moore and Brett Perriman had big years, plus of course Barry Sanders). I believe Moore also once said that after a certain point he just gave Peyton suggestions and let him do his thing on the field, since peak Peyton was gonna audible and no huddle all over the place and make it work. I know he technically retired for pension purposes before the Colts second Super Bowl trip in ‘09 (Clyde Christensen was technically the OC, in reality it was  by almost every account), but he’s still shown up with Bruce Arians in various places as a consultant.
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Sep 26, 2020 03:08
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Was Tom Moore the "we don't practice hosed" guy
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Was Tom Moore the "we don't practice hosed" guy Fellas, if 18 goes down we're hosed, and we don't practice hosed. - Tom Moore
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Peyton was basically his own OC and Tom Moore was just smart enough to know who buttered his bread
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Sep 26, 2020 05:00
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Benne posted:The Vikings have been putrid so far and Zimmer will be trending in the wrong direction if he can’t get that young defense coached up. The defense being putrid makes more sense that what's going on with the offense. The defense has the most hope of being better next season assuming everyone comes back and the rookies turn out decent after having a year under their belt. It's the listlessness on offense that confuses me. The O-line is getting no push at all. I wish there was a way to get Mike Tice out of retirement.
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Darth Brooks posted:The defense being putrid makes more sense that what's going on with the offense. The defense has the most hope of being better next season assuming everyone comes back and the rookies turn out decent after having a year under their belt. It's the listlessness on offense that confuses me. The O-line is getting no push at all. I wish there was a way to get Mike Tice out of retirement. Stefanski was a big deal. The only times that offense has really looked competent during the Zimmer regime was under him.
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Stefanski's rise coincided with Kubiak taking over as "run game coordinator" if memory serves. There's been debate over who really deserved credit
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Kalli posted:Fellas, if 18 goes down we're hosed, and we don't practice hosed. - Tom Moore It's a perfect football quote and if Moore is remembered for one thing that's a good one.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Stefanski's rise coincided with Kubiak taking over as "run game coordinator" if memory serves. There's been debate over who really deserved credit Two games into the Vikings offense, I'm willing to give him the credit
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Zimmer or at least the defensive coordinators are going to have their seats warm up a hell of a lot if the vikes go 0-4 but absolutely it's the offense's fault not theirs. Kubiak and especially Dennison as the oline coach are probably the first to get fired if this season keeps trending south. I still think hiring Dom loving Capers was the worst move they've made and he needs to be fired, preferably out of a cannon.
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Sataere posted:Two games into the Vikings offense, I'm willing to give him the credit Seeing what's become of the Vikings this year makes me feel better as a Browns fan. If a playoff team can lose 2 pieces (Stefanski and Diggs) and turn into an absolute dumpster fire in one offseason, then I'm guessing those 2 had a lot to do with their success. I'll take half lol.
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ghosthorse posted:Zimmer or at least the defensive coordinators are going to have their seats warm up a hell of a lot if the vikes go 0-4 but absolutely it's the offense's fault not theirs. Kubiak and especially Dennison as the oline coach are probably the first to get fired if this season keeps trending south. Nah, he's safe. They just extended him and now they are in a mini rebuild. My worry is they somehow lose out and get Lawrence.
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I know Zimmer signed a three year but his two defensive co-coordinators will catch the blame and I think Patterson was looking at coaching jobs during the offseason anyway. They're still nowhere close to Patricia's garbage fire but they're also tied for last in the nfcn with said dumpster fire
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ghosthorse posted:I still think hiring Dom loving Capers was the worst move they've made and he needs to be fired, preferably out of a cannon. It’s always amazing when teams hire lovely castoffs from a division rival. You spend an immense amount of time every season watching this guy’s garbage schemes on film, how on earth is your takeaway “yeah buddy I need me some of THAT”? See also Gase going from the Dolphins to the Jets.
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Yeah I think the problem is less Dom Capers and more hiring a DL coach and your dipshit kid to be your defensive coordinator(s).  I think more teams should be hiring old guys as consultants. Scheme in this league is so cyclical, and so many coordinators are running the show are doing it because they know the cool new thing and only that. Like any minute now you're going to see the Cardinals/Bills/Panthers turn running 10 personnel into the trendy thing to do in the NFL. No one has really had to defend it for 20+ years and half of the league is going to fumble around with their dick in their hands for two years not figuring out how to keep their LB/SS dime defenders from getting roasted by slot receiver #2 instead of going to ask Grandpa how he killed the run and shoot. IMO hire Norv Turner, Wade Phillips, etc. while you're at it.
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Catfish Noodlin posted:Like any minute now you're going to see the Cardinals/Bills/Panthers turn running 10 personnel into the trendy thing to do in the NFL. No one has really had to defend it for 20+ years and half of the league is going to fumble around with their dick in their hands for two years not figuring out how to keep their LB/SS dime defenders from getting roasted by slot receiver #2 instead of going to ask Grandpa how he killed the run and shoot. 20+ years? The Packers often ran 10/11 under McCarthy and it stopped working well after Driver retired, Jennings left the team, Jordy began declining, etc.
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SKULL.GIF posted:20+ years? The Packers often ran 10/11 under McCarthy and it stopped working well after Driver retired, Jennings left the team, Jordy began declining, etc. Funny way of saying it stopped working with Rodgers destroyed the team
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ghosthorse posted:Zimmer or at least the defensive coordinators are going to have their seats warm up a hell of a lot if the vikes go 0-4 but absolutely it's the offense's fault not theirs. Kubiak and especially Dennison as the oline coach are probably the first to get fired if this season keeps trending south. Dennison was one of the two temporary O-line coaches handed the job after Tony Sparano died. The players they've drafted haven't produced under him. I was watching some game last week and for a moment I imagined what it would be like if Minnesota had a competent offensive line and I almost had a moment of bliss. This line has been terrible for a long time now and Dennison absolutely needs to be replaced.
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The Vikings' problem is that they went all-in on a contention window that didn't really pan out, got stuck with a bunch of aging talent on bloated contracts, and had to spend an offseason playing cap gymnastics instead of trying to make the team better. Now they're in this weird purgatory where they're not good enough to contend, but not bad enough to get a meaningful draft pick, and they're stuck trying to do a "mini rebuild" while paying out $20-30 million to like the 17th best QB in the league. Maybe it's not enough to get coaches fired, but it's a whole lot of missed opportunities.
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Maybe going all in with a QB like Cousins was a bad idea. Maybe I don't know I'm not a GM. Diggs was right about everything.
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Benne posted:Peyton was basically his own OC and Tom Moore was just smart enough to know who buttered his bread I feel like this can't be emphasized enough because goddamn if it doesn't feel rare to find a coach who doesn't let their ego get in the way.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Maybe going all in with a QB like Cousins was a bad idea. Maybe I don't know I'm not a GM. Was the Washington Team actually smart to let Cousins walk? I'm honestly asking and don't know. Or is it a situation where they did what turned out to be the right thing in the end for the wrong reasons?
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Diggs was right about everything. 
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Minneapolis Miracle and beating the Saints again last year were pretty dope. If this version of the Vikings peaked there then so be it. We’re also just 2 games into the season so ...
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I don't care if they lose the next two games by a point and look great: they'd still be 0-4. Who's the next GM and coach we are looking at (which is a real lions thing to say before the third game of the season)?
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Parallelwoody posted:I don't care if they lose the next two games by a point and look great: they'd still be 0-4. Who's the next GM and coach we are looking at (which is a real lions thing to say before the third game of the season)? That's more of a Browns fan thing to ask. I want someone to just hire McDaniels and whichever Patriots exec he was going to take to cleveland already. Supposedly he had a whole crew ready to go but Haslam hosed his own dream up. Just get this drat story over with already.
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Parallelwoody posted:I don't care if they lose the next two games by a point and look great: they'd still be 0-4. Who's the next GM and coach we are looking at (which is a real lions thing to say before the third game of the season)? Not sure about GM but my dream HC is Eric Bieniemy. The Chiefs offense is obviously fantastic, but more importantly Andy Reid's coaching tree has a really solid record—there's some ups and downs, but two of his former assistants have Superbowl rings, another made it there, and even the mediocre ones have at least a few playoff victories or appearances between them.
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Drake no: Matt Patricia Drake yes: Josh McDaniels
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FizFashizzle posted:imagine wanting ron rivera If Ron accomplished even half of what he did in Charlotte here in Detroit we'd build a statue of him right next to Robocop. We are very desperate.
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Hire a college offensive genius like Lincoln Riley or Ryan Day and pair him with a seasoned DC. That’s ways more interesting than lusting after dudes who hold the clipboard for Andy.
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