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Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Beeftweeter posted:

although, well, no. i don't know if i'm banned in 10% of south dakota but it seems plausible

it’s more like 17% iirc. 5/9 tribes

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Roosevelt posted:

it’s more like 17% iirc. 5/9 tribes

yeah idk, i read about it over the weekend but couldn't remember the specific percentage

i mean, don't get me wrong, i'm delighted it's probably higher than i thought lol

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Roosevelt posted:

it’s more like 17% iirc. 5/9 tribes

my favorite was tribes 2

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



fart simpson posted:

my favorite was tribes 2

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

fart simpson posted:

my favorite was tribes 2

thirded, also preferred the first

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006

fart simpson posted:

my favorite was tribes 2

i liked tribes 1 better

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Jonny 290 posted:

imma mention right now, i have met a disturbing number of weird reactionary rich kids who think that the pinnacle of "farmer life" is old yellering animals. It's a thing that has been a slight noticeable element in them ever since the dude in eighth grade said he loves going on (do not highlight this) going on stray dog hunts. their ultimate goal is killing animals that annoy them. they are incredibly hosed up golems

Those types of pyschos just want to hurt things and they shouldn't ever be allowed to be in control of anything or anyone

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

yeah I think a lot of conservative mythology around leaders "making the tough decisions" is just window dressing for them enjoying cruelty

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

Improbable Lobster posted:

Those types of pyschos just want to hurt things and they shouldn't ever be allowed to be in control of anything or anyone

I have bad news about the type of person that american institutions grant power to at every level

Eminent DNS
May 28, 2007

qirex posted:

yeah I think a lot of conservative mythology around leaders "making the tough decisions" is just window dressing for them enjoying cruelty

I think it's deeper/darker than that -- I think it might indicate to conservative supporters that the leader is comfortable killing things generally, with the implication that they would be willing to do this to support the interests of these conservative constituents (feels weird to simply describe them as "voters" but w/e)

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Eminent DNS posted:

I think it's deeper/darker than that -- I think it might indicate to conservative supporters that the leader is comfortable killing things generally, with the implication that they would be willing to do this to support the interests of these conservative constituents (feels weird to simply describe them as "voters" but w/e)

this is pretty spot on

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida

quote:

Most Marianna residents support Trump’s border wall, his key demand in the shutdown fight, and don’t blame him for the fight. But Crystal Minton, a secretary at the prison who is also a single mother caring for disabled parents, had a somewhat different reaction — one that reveals an essential truth about the core Trump’s political appeal.

“I voted for him, and he’s the one who’s doing this,” Minton told Mazzei. “I thought he was going to do good things. He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting.”


The core MAGA base in the US isn't poor rural people, it's relatively wealthy and well off suburbanites, the guys who own car dealerships in places like Sheboygan WI. They're not voting to fix how material conditions have deteriorated over the past twenty-five years, they're voting to destroy their class enemies.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

bullies have class consciousness

cybrancyborg
Jan 24, 2008

How this ends still hasn't been unwritten...
My opinion is that the demographic we call "conservativism" or the right has been self-selecting for a mix of sociopathy and sadism for quite some time, and this demographic has learned that the civics-class language of "political belief" lets them bring that sociopathy & sadism anywhere they want, and have it treated with a level of respectability that looks surreal from the outside. People talk like Trump made the GOP into something it previously wasn't, but I remember the decades prior, when they were cloyingly suggesting that if it weren't for the MSM and/or liberal politicians, they'd be doing the stuff Trump just bluntly declares. The pre-Trump "conservatives" being the demo that gave us the Turner Diaries and Limbaugh reading lists of dead AIDS victims over a laugh track.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


qirex posted:

bullies have class consciousness

Some guy who owns a bunch of used car dealerships in Iowa absolutely knows who presents a threat to their livelihood and who's going to keep the status quo going. If that isn't class consciousness nothing is.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Some guy who owns a bunch of used car dealerships in Iowa absolutely knows who presents a threat to their livelihood and who's going to keep the status quo going. If that isn't class consciousness nothing is.

there was an article a few years back about how car dealership owners are now the grassroots backbone of amercian conservatism, I'll see if I can dig it up

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

qirex posted:

there was an article a few years back about how car dealership owners are now the grassroots backbone of amercian conservatism, I'll see if I can dig it up

no surprise there. probably like 99% of them essentially exist today basically gently caress people over and extract as much money as possible out of them while maintaining an unyielding belief that they have every right to do so and that it makes them good, smart and rich. obviously only one of those is even remotely true

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


my dad owns a dealership

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

qirex posted:

there was an article a few years back about how car dealership owners are now the grassroots backbone of amercian conservatism, I'll see if I can dig it up

hst used to write about this in the 80s iirc

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

PokeJoe posted:

my dad owns a dealership

american version of gusanos bitching about how they got ran out of cuba just cause the family owned a plantation or two

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts
but yeah i remember reading something about the richest person in mostly every county is the person with the largest dealership and theyve got all their fingers in the local chamber of commerce

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

the main line I remember was "of course we're all involved in politics, we're all an election or two from being out of business"

they are keenly aware that everyone hates them and they're middlemen whose business only exists because of a set of outdated laws so they work very hard to keep those laws in place

qirex fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Apr 29, 2024

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

PokeJoe posted:

my dad owns a dealership

well could he be described as "local tyrant"? if yes then he's part of the problem, sorry joe

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
duggar family does (did? idk) car dealerships as their public facing 'business' / laundering op

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
yeah josh's kiddie porn shack was on a used car lot lol

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Clark Nova posted:

I have bad news about the type of person that political institutions grant power to at every level

fixed

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Beeftweeter posted:

well could he be described as "local tyrant"? if yes then he's part of the problem, sorry joe


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPshLmo97NY

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

fart simpson posted:

what would you tell a palestinian american in michigan? who should they vote for?

Someone who can beat trump. Just lol at your entire family if you're not voting on that single issue.
Who has a passport full of visas and knows how to fish? This guy right here so u do u.

Edit: Wow there are a bunch of protest voters here. I guess we really are getting Trump...I'd better start trimming my budget and rebalancing my portfolio for that simple life.

Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Apr 29, 2024

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
i'm not going to vote but it's not because of that single issue, more like several simultaneous ones resulting in a binary choice between two senile octogenarians

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Internet Old One posted:

Someone who can beat trump. Just lol at your entire family if you're not voting on that single issue.
Who has a passport full of visas and knows how to fish? This guy right here so u do u.

Remember when Joe Biden undid all the bad poo poo Trump did? Me neither
Remember when Obama undid all the bad poo poo GWB did? Me neither

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN
besides, i already debased myself and voted for hillary clinton. never doing that again, look how it turned out

Roosevelt
Jul 18, 2009

I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Remember when Joe Biden undid all the bad poo poo Trump did? Me neither
Remember when Obama undid all the bad poo poo GWB did? Me neither

remember when trump undid everything Obama did? i do

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

OFFICIAL #1 GNOME FAN

Roosevelt posted:

remember when trump undid everything Obama did? i do

what did obama do?

AlbertFlasher
Feb 14, 2006

Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Beeftweeter posted:

what did obama do?

he won a nobel peace prize

Internet Old One
Dec 6, 2021

Coke Adds Life

Beeftweeter posted:

besides, i already debased myself and voted for hillary clinton. never doing that again, look how it turned out

Yeah it turned out like poo poo because she was an entitled reptile who made it easy to get voters to stay home. Look how that turned out.

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Remember when Joe Biden undid all the bad poo poo Trump did? Me neither
Remember when Obama undid all the bad poo poo GWB did? Me neither

I remember trump undoing the stuff Obama did

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


Roosevelt posted:

remember when trump undid everything Obama did? i do

I remember it better than Roosevelt does

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord
you americans deserve better politicians

i mean every country does, our "leaders" are the worst people on the planet, but y'all were specifically talking about america

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Improbable Lobster posted:

you americans deserve better politicians

lol no we loving don't

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Internet Old One posted:

Yeah it turned out like poo poo because she was an entitled reptile who made it easy to get voters to stay home. Look how that turned out.

The two official options we've got this year are "as much genocide as possible" and "a little less genocide than that, but still a huge amount of genocide."

I'm voting for "no genocide at all" and I encourage everyone else to do the same.

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Donald Trump got where he got because he is the platonic ideal of an American, the McKwisatz Haderach that this country has been working hard towards producing for centuries. He is as American as they come.

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