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My reading on this topic informs me that the Presidium of the USSR established a Special Administrative Region of Nagorno-Karabakh in order to prevent the Armenian Supreme Soviet from unilaterally transferring control of the region away from the Azerbaijani Supreme Soviet in violation of the Soviet Constitution, a program of cultural and economic aid was provided to finance development of the region, and a multilateral force of troops were deployed to maintain the peace. In this sense, the ability of Moscow to act as a mediating force over Armenia and Azerbaijan does seem to be preferable to the current relationship.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:restore glorious USSR by any means necessary. if filthy muslim subhuman turkoroach resist run over with tank t34. Needs work. "Turkoroach"? You can do better than that
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Malkina_ posted:Yeah clearly the present situation is much more stable 
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why does turkey support Azerbijan? what's in it for them?
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that's quite the tentpole he's sporting
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PawParole posted:Pick a side the "backed by" section is amazing
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PawParole posted:Pick a side azerbaijain spent 4x as much on their military as armenia, started this conflict, and got super owned on day 1?!?!?!!? 
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How long until liberals want Armenian genocide 2.0 because they’re Russia’s ally
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PawParole posted:why does turkey support Azerbijan? what's in it for them? PawParole posted:Pick a side Armenia is not backed by the US lol
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Malkina_ posted:How long until liberals want Armenian genocide 2.0 because they’re Russia’s ally It's not going to break through the Trump's taxes news. Boredumb posted:Armenia is not backed by the US lol The talking point going around is that Trump has half-a-dozen properties in Azerbaijan 
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Boredumb posted:Azerbaijanis are turkic
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Malkina_ posted:How long until liberals want Armenian genocide 2.0 because they’re Russia’s ally literally wait a bit
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how long until tankies want turkic genocides because they're turkey's ally or they're inconvenient to the CCP?
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PawParole posted:Pick a side
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Between the ATGMs and the undetectable drones it sure is a lovely time period to be sitting in a tank or APC.
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gradenko_2000 posted:would anyone be willing to effort-post about the history behind these two countries and/or their current political climates? I only have the vaguest idea about this region. Literally all I know about the region comes from the book Black Garden (by de Waal, it's about 20 years old at this point). That said, it seems to be the most authoritative single English source on the region at the moment so I'll summarize the key points as best I remember them. (Although, now that I'm looking at it, Wikipedia actually has a pretty good summary of the conflict and its background). Nagorno-Karabakh is actually the Russian term for the region, it's used as a neutral toponym instead of the preferred Artsakh by the Armenians or Daglik Qarabag by the Azeris. It's a mountainous territory in the southern Caucuses occupied by both Armenians and Azeris over the centuries. It's important to note that the historiography of Nagorno Karabakh is quite politicized and as you can imagine both Azeris and Armenians have the tendency to exaggerate their own claim to the land and color their opposites as "guest peoples" occupying their ancient lands. At any rate, the southern Caucuses were conquered by the Russian Empire in the early 19th century and after a brief period of independence was reconquered by the Soviets during the Russian Civil War. At the time of reconquest, Nagorno Karabakh was part of the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic despite being mostly ethnically Armenian. The Armenians petitioned for it and Nakhichevan to be folded into the new Armenian SSR but instead they were made autonomous oblasts (Wikipedia claims Stalin did this to throw a bone to Turkey). With both nations part of the USSR, the question of who owned Nagorno Karabakh became less relevant and the issue sort of disappeared. Armenians and Azeris lived more or less peacefully beside one another and both countries hosted expatriate communities. However, with the decline of the Soviet Union in the late 80s, ethnic tensions began to flare, pogroms took place in both republics leading to population exchanges, and the old question of the status of Nagorno Karabakh reemerged. At this stage, the actual conflict was confined to the two parties lobbying in Moscow. Soviet leadership and Gorbachev in particular were extremely hesitant to transfer Nagorno Karabakh to Armenia under the belief that it would cause the other constituent republics to make demands and put the integrity of the Union at risk. They instead opted to send in the military to enforce peace and put an end to inter-community violence. This worked in the short term, however it backfired in a major way: the Armenians became increasingly nationally conscious. Yerevan saw some of the largest protests ever in human history, with hundreds of thousands turning out to call for the integration of Karabakh. These protests would later turn into the independence movement. This is a key point; modern Armenia was literally founded on the Karabakh issue. As you know, both countries would gain their independence in 1991. This would put Armenia in an awkward position, as with the other post-Soviet states it declared the borders of the Armenian SSR to be the borders of its independent state. (As a bit of trivia, this means that Armenia actually accepts Nagorno Karabakh to be a part of Azerbaijan, at least officially. This is the only conflict I know of where a country is occupying territory that it doesn't claim to own). With the USSR gone, the occupying Soviet soldiers largely abandoned or sold their weapons, with some even serving under Azerbaijan as mercenaries. The power vacuum also lead to a large surge in violence, with Nagorno Karabakh experiencing a vicious wave of ethnic cleansing that ended with virtually the entire Azeri population being expelled, and at least one instance of massacre occurring with the destruction Khojaly. The Armenians and Azerbaijanis fought an all-out war over Nagorno Karabakh between 1991 and 1994, with the Armenians prevailing despite a distinct Azeri materiel advantage. Despite winning, the war lead to the complete closure of the Turkish border and a consequent collapse of the Armenian economy, which still suffers in large part due to the effects of the conflict. I'm less clear as to what has developed since 2000 but I understand that attempts to come to a lasting peace agreement failed over the course of 25 years and the conflict has re-intensified over the last 5 years as Azerbaijan has rearmed itself after becoming stinking rich with oil money.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:how long until tankies want turkic genocides because they're turkey's ally or they're inconvenient to the CCP?
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The US is funding this fightquote:As the U.S. has ratcheted up diplomatic and military pressure on Iran, it has been quietly offering neighboring Azerbaijan more than $100 million in military aid. The money appears aimed at countering threats from Tehran.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:take it to --------------------------------------------------------------------------> https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3838460&pagenumber=538#lastpost
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Gaupo Guacho posted:ok, how long until tanks want turkic genocides because they're opposing Armenia which is a Russian proxy in this conflict? How are you consistently so bad?
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okay here we go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKgIjGWwSfc
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Gaupo Guacho posted:ok, how long until tanks want turkic genocides because they're opposing Armenia which is a Russian proxy in this conflict? 
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Malkina_ posted:How long until liberals want Armenian genocide 2.0 because they’re Russia’s ally Armenia-Iran-Russia, the new Axis of Evil https://twitter.com/ProfBShaffer/status/1310309227785719808?s=20 Armenia is a settler state, how come BDS doesn't target them? https://twitter.com/ProfBShaffer/status/1310347888833171461?s=20
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gradenko_2000 posted:would anyone be willing to effort-post about the history behind these two countries and/or their current political climates? I only have the vaguest idea about this region. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS3P9kk-vFk He has 2-3 other videos on the subject
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:try again... troll the academics around FDD and other neocon outlets are rolling out better pro-Azerbaijan talking points than that guy is offering. They are getting outdone online because the Armenian diaspora has a larger number of English speakers, and more skin in the game.
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the udi people shall once again inherit the caucasus
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PawParole posted:why does turkey support Azerbijan? what's in it for them? It's almost like...the same nation and such.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:ok, how long until tanks want turkic genocides because they're opposing Armenia which is a Russian proxy in this conflict? take note: this poster is a fed
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this is going to be the stupidist loving proxy war ever imagine the balkin wars happening during the cold war, thats what we're looking at here
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